Pakistan militants kill 41 in mass execution, attack on Shi'ites

[Safriz]

So tell me Safriz, what is the punishment for apostates, i.e.e those who left Islam, i.e. shias - according to pakistanis? Before you come up with more high class mumbo jumbo, let me spoon feed to you the simplicity of the issue you are so trying to obfuscate.
There is a difference between "Not accepting as Muslims" and wanting to Kill...Since Pakistan is home to militancy and terrorism rooted in religion, Does not mean the crazy mullahs can be absolved.

The original "Movement" was only about awareness among Sunni Muslims about discrepancies between what Shia Believe and what Original and widely accepted teachings of Islam tell us,and that was that,and was takes as that by Sunni Muslims.
How and where it went militant,i am not going to discuss it with you.
There is no compulsion on me..and also you ,to waste our time on each other...
What i see here is negative sarcasm and excuses to throw more of it..
For that reason i choose not to go any further in a discussion with you...
Being nice is a key factor in a good discussion and you haven't got that..

 

[Serpentine]

What if the Taliban, like the Iranians & the Saudis before them, also think of exporting their revolution to Pakistan & end up destabilizing the country even more !

Never fail at blaming Iran, ok?
You guys are incredible, militants from Pakistan come to Iran, you blame Iran and Shias.Your goverment supported Taliban in the past, the same who are killing your soldiers, you blame Iran.why?because you don't want to admit your countrymen have done mistakes in the past. Extremists blow up Shias in Pakistan,behead them and terrorize them,you blame Iran.Your government has shown indifferent to Shias security, you blame Iran. Please, at least for once,show some responsibility.You are becoming exactly like Arab countries, that when a cat dies, they blame Iran for it.Their people start to protest against their dictatorship, they blame Iran for staging revolts.
I'm sorry, but am I the only one who doesn't remember a Shia in Pakistan blowing up himself to kill some Sunnis? Or behead Sunnis? Or terrorize civilians? Killing Pakistani soldiers?
At the end, not every Shia in the world has anything to do with Iran, put that to your head.
I know how Pakistani members' answer to my post would look like, but don't hate me for it, these are my personal opinions and I have stated this before in this site.

 

[Hammer-fist]

So tell me Safriz, what is the punishment for apostates, i.e.e those who left Islam, i.e. shias - according to pakistanis? Before you come up with more high class mumbo jumbo, let me spoon feed to you the simplicity of the issue you are so trying to obfuscate.

Since Pakistan is home to militancy and terrorism rooted in religion, murders happen. Does not mean the crazy mullahs can be absolved.

Interesting apart from Russia we are the main Muslim country (though Russia is not a Muslim-majority country) without a big Shia minority (Azerbaijan is nominally majority Shia and so is Iraq, in Lebanon Shias are the biggest group amongst Muslims and 25% or so of Afghanistan may be Shia in Bangladesh they're less than 1%, there is one Bangladeshi Shia on this forum btw) to have a tolerant attitude towards them.

Hmm.

I definitely hope - and am confident - we will not follow the path of bigotry that other so-called Muslim countries have become victim to.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The original "Movement" was only about awareness among Sunni Muslims about discrepancies between what Shia Believe and what Original and widely accepted teachings of Islam tell us,and that was that,and was takes as that by Sunni Muslims.
How and where it went militant,i am not going to discuss it with you.
There is no compulsion on me..and also you ,to waste our time on each other...
What i see here is negative sarcasm and excuses to throw more of it..
For that reason i choose not to go any further in a discussion with you...
Being nice is a key factor in a good discussion and you haven't got that..

Was your mullah being nice when he screamed ''shia Kaffir'' from the mosque? Yet you called that ''intellectual''. I'm glad to see you hold me to a higher standard than you do your religious leader who provides your people guidance on how God wants you to live their lives. I'm touched.

Its obvious to me too that I can not hope you will learn anything, I'm posting not for your enlightenment, trust me.

 

[Safriz]

Was your mullah being nice when he screamed ''shia Kaffir'' from the mosque? Yet you called that ''intellectual''.

Its obvious to me too that I can not hope you will learn anything, I'm posting not for your enlightenment, trust me.

Aww..
You are here to teach me?
Thanks but no thanks

 

[KS]

Being nice is a key factor in a good discussion and you haven't got that..

Another is "intellectual honesty" which I see you lack..Every shia killed..um not us..must be foreign hand..every bomb blast..umm cant be muslims...must be CIA-mossad..every islamist hate attack..umm cant be muslims..must be neo-nazis posing as muslims out to defame us...umm you are so full of excuses and denial.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Aww..
You are here to teach me?
Thanks but no thanks

I think I made it very clear that I'm not posting to teach you. Here, another one - reasonable comprehension skill.

 

[Safriz]

Another is "intellectual honesty" which I see you lack..

My dear,suffice saying that what you have read in the news and seen on TV channels..I have seen in real life and lived with those people.
Perception is a personal choice..
You or me cannot change each others' perception about something on an internet forum,but we can have a civil discussion...
If you think that by tapping on your keyboard you can change my understanding of something or anything,you are wrong..
Same applies to me.
Thing is if you cant or don't want o listen the other side of the story why bother a discussion? Just write your comments and jog on..
Remember , its a multi dimensional world and everything has more than one dimensions and there is never just one side of any story..
For that reason i try to avoid people who come here with snide,venomous and sarcastic comments,as they are here to shout their anger out and not to listen..
I rather let them.

 

[MilSpec]

There have been plenty of proof's given to India and the US on the Indian involvement. This is common in both the countries, Pakistan used Kashmir as a proxy war zone and India is using this great opportunity to arm and fun TTP and Afghan talibans to use as their proxies. In fact, there were a few trucks that were captured a few months ago (one of them slid upside down due to inclined road in rain) and it was fully loaded with weapons originating from India and Russia (which really is the same thing as India uses Russian weapons all over the place). So yea, nothing new here. No one requires any training. Anyone knowing abc of foreign policy and intelligence knows this. But India's lobby is strong and the West turns its head away from it. But this is a dangerous practice and at some point, can put the region into a nuclear conflict which would be devastating for hundreds of millions of poor people!

Pure outpouring of B.S as always.

Shias are attacked by hindu sponsored RAWLIBANS.

Traditional Indian boogeyman syndrome, instead deal with your problems

 

[MilSpec]

So tell me Safriz, what is the punishment for apostates, i.e.e those who left Islam, i.e. shias - according to pakistanis? Before you come up with more high class mumbo jumbo, let me spoon feed to you the simplicity of the issue you are so trying to obfuscate.

Since Pakistan is home to militancy and terrorism rooted in religion, murders happen. Does not mean the crazy mullahs can be absolved.

The statistics presented if true is very unfortunate. It's crazy that a nation formed for political representation of muslims is not inclusive of all factions of Islam....

 

[KS]

My dear,suffice saying that what you have read in the news and seen on TV channels..I have seen in real life and lived with those people.

Ok dear we are all living in some alien land which has no muslims and we dont get to see the shia-sunni schism in our place. Only you have seen it and dealt with it. Whatever you say. The more people like you, the better it is.

 

[Safriz]

Ok dear we are all living in some alien land which has no muslims and we dont get to see the shia-sunni schism in our place. Only you have seen it and dealt with it. Whatever you say. The more people like you, the better it is.

People can live under same roof for years without ever knowing each other,so you being from India which has millions of Muslims doesn't mean you know them well..
Your comments don't reflect that anyway...

 

[Armstrong]

Never fail at blaming Iran, ok?
You guys are incredible, militants from Pakistan come to Iran, you blame Iran and Shias.Your goverment supported Taliban in the past, the same who are killing your soldiers, you blame Iran.why?because you don't want to admit your countrymen have done mistakes in the past. Extremists blow up Shias in Pakistan,behead them and terrorize them,you blame Iran.Your government has shown indifferent to Shias security, you blame Iran. Please, at least for once,show some responsibility.You are becoming exactly like Arab countries, that when a cat dies, they blame Iran for it.Their people start to protest against their dictatorship, they blame Iran for staging revolts.
I'm sorry, but am I the only one who doesn't remember a Shia in Pakistan blowing up himself to kill some Sunnis? Or behead Sunnis? Or terrorize civilians? Killing Pakistani soldiers?
At the end, not every Shia in the world has anything to do with Iran, put that to your head.
I know how Pakistani members' answer to my post would look like, but don't hate me for it, these are my personal opinions and I have stated this before in this site.

Was referring to the export of the Iranian Revolution by the Ayatollah himself & the Saudi clerics sitting in KSA ! In the past the Shia militant groups like the Sipah-e-Muhammad & the Sunni militant groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba have indeed killed a lot. I've movement in enough 'religious circles' here in Pakistan too know where the Sipah-e-Sahaba & the Jaish-e-Muhammad & ***** like them were getting their funds from & where the Sipah-e-Muhammad & the Tehrik-e-Jafaria like them were getting theirs from ! These organizations spilled a lot of Sunni & Shia blood in the '80s & the '90s before there was a concentrated effort to tackle them in the early '00s. You can go through the archives of Dawn, News & Jang back till the '80s & the early '90s to look for yourself how much blood they have on their hands.

As for right now - Much more Sunnis have been killed in a destabilized Pakistan than Shias !

And the Taliban aren't a single 'faction' - They are a disjointed group of dozens upon dozens of factions all vying for their own objectives. We would not have supported them if you & others like you had not supported the Northern Alliance who are equally responsible for the many Human Rights Abuses in Afghanistan. Even now their successor organization the ANA filled with the same Tajik & Uzbek leaders from the Northern Alliance are oppressing the Pashtuns & giving the common Pashtun a cause to support the 'Taliban' for the Taliban movement has metamorphed from what was an 'Islamist' movement to something incorporating 'Pashtun Nationalism'.

Plus the TTP that has killed Sunnis & Shias alike in Pakistan are distinct from the Afghan Taliban & operate from areas which are in the control of the ISAF & NATO forces !

Nor can you can discount the element of 'ethnicity' in the killings of the Hazara in Quetta & parts of Balochistan ! Were it solely or even primarily a 'sectarian' thing more Punjabis would not have been killed in Balochsitan than the Hazaras.

 

[Cheetah786]

The original "Movement" was only about awareness among Sunni Muslims about discrepancies between what Shia Believe and what Original and widely accepted teachings of Islam tell us,and that was that,and was takes as that by Sunni Muslims.
How and where it went militant,i am not going to discuss it with you.
There is no compulsion on me..and also you ,to waste our time on each other...
What i see here is negative sarcasm and excuses to throw more of it..
For that reason i choose not to go any further in a discussion with you...
Being nice is a key factor in a good discussion and you haven't got that..

shia believes and Original Islam Really please do share with us what do u mean?

 

[Safriz]

Was referring to the export of the Iranian Revolution by the Ayatollah himself & the Saudi clerics sitting in KSA ! In the past the Shia militant groups like the Sipah-e-Muhammad & the Sunni militant groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba have indeed killed a lot. I've movement in enough 'religious circles' here in Pakistan too know where the Sipah-e-Sahaba & the Jaish-e-Muhammad & ***** like them were getting their funds from & where the Sipah-e-Muhammad & the Tehrik-e-Jafaria like them were getting theirs from ! These organizations spilled a lot of Sunni & Shia blood in the '80s & the '90s before there was a concentrated effort to tackle them in the early '00s. You can go through the archives of Dawn, News & Jang back till the '80s & the early '90s to look for yourself how much blood they have on their hands.

As for right now - Much more Sunnis have been killed in a destabilized Pakistan than Shias !

And the Taliban aren't a single 'faction' - They are a disjointed group of dozens upon dozens of factions all vying for their own objectives. We would not have supported them if you & others like you had not supported the Northern Alliance who are equally responsible for the many Human Rights Abuses in Afghanistan. Even now their successor organization the ANA filled with the same Tajik & Uzbek leaders from the Northern Alliance are oppressing the Pashtuns & giving the common Pashtun a cause to support the 'Taliban' for the Taliban movement has metamorphed from what was an 'Islamist' movement to something incorporating 'Pashtun Nationalism'.

Plus the TTP that has killed Sunnis & Shias alike in Pakistan are distinct from the Afghan Taliban & operate from areas which are in the control of the ISAF & NATO forces !

Nor can you can discount the element of 'ethnicity' in the killings of the Hazara in Quetta & parts of Balochistan ! Were it solely or even primarily a 'sectarian' thing more Punjabis would not have been killed in Balochsitan than the Hazaras.

Did Jamat-e-Islami cause bloodshed? Well yes...Jamat-e-Islami's youth wing and MQM have been fighting many bloody wars since the start of MQM..But did Maulana Maududi ever ask his followers to Pick up guns and kill others?
Here is a small part of the speach of Haq Nawaz Jhangwi...Nowhere does he say to go and kill shia...
Click here