India’s Muslims. Growing, and neglected.

[indushek]

The guy Arya Desa did not even mention any such thing.

He just said Muslims must stop getting more children and instead they should concentrate on one or two children, give them good education and improve the life standards.

I could not fathom how the mods could smell bigotry from that statement.

Nowadays anything said against Muslims, right or wrong, is immediately classified as bigotry..

While i don't think we should be specifically targetting anybody the government should be educating every citizen about the benefits of less number of kids for sure. Yes sometimes our words become target even though we don't mean it.

 

[Infinity]

Indian Muslims should be given an option, if they want to go to Pakistan, they should be allowed to settle in Pakistan.

I too want the same but waiting for my father to become PM of India................

 

[KS]

While i don't think we should be specifically targetting anybody the government should be educating every citizen about the benefits of less number of kids for sure. Yes sometimes our words become target even though we don't mean it.

babaji its not about the Govt..its about themselves. self awareness. No body mentioned the Govt should regulate the number of kids Muslims should have. That is the mod's way of twisting his statement. He just said muslims themselves must have less kids and concentrate more on educating and improving the living standards of the one or two kids rather than begetting 4 and ending up not caring for them enough

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Indian Muslims should be given an option, if they want to go to Pakistan, they should be allowed to settle in Pakistan.

You should watch what you say on an international Pakistani forum read by people internationally. I presume that you are Hindu. Would you care to be given the option to go to Nepal which is a Hindu dominated country? No? Presumably because you are Indian first and then Hindu? Same applies to your fellow Indians who are Muslims

 

[muse]

Synopsis:

Muslims breed like rabbits and their condition overall, is not much improved, and the solution may still be in Politics which may bring economic


Politics and economics are related -- Do Indians really need government to arrange the economic affairs of Indians and by doing so, effectively regulate the social affairs of Indians?? Or by restricting itself to legislatively increasing Liberty in all realms Indians may seek to interact in and with?

 

[indushek]

babaji its not about the Govt..its about themselves. self awareness. No body mentioned the Govt should regulate the number of kids Muslims should have. That is the mod's way of twisting his statement. He just said muslims themselves must have less kids and concentrate more on educating and improving the living standards of the one or two kids rather than begetting 4 and ending up not caring for them enough

Yeah KS even i am saying the same thing,Oscar who is always balanced seems some how agitated over that one comment? I was mentioning Govt as it is their work not to regulate but to educate.

What i am trying to say is it wouldn't be appropriate for an individual to do this would it, as it might seem to be 'un secular' what with the sensitivities?

 

[Sugarcane]

Are you mad bro,Why should we admit something just for the peace of your mind.I always felt you people have a feeling of schadenfreude towards Indian Muslims.Your comment just proves it.If this was true,India wouldn't have had a thriving Muslim population.

If you want to jump into discussion than it's better to read the context of post? If Indian Muslims are thriving than why your fallows are hell bent to kick them out of India?

 

[KS]

You should watch what you say on an international Pakistani forum read by people internationally. I presume that you are Hindu. Would you care to be given the option to go to Nepal which is a Hindu dominated country? No? Presumably because you are Indian first and then Hindu? Same applies to your fellow Indians who are Muslims

Not to come into the original point , but the analogy you gave is amusing and wrong.

I dont remember a group of Hindus seceding from India and establishing Nepal as the "homeland of subcontinental Hindus" that you can ask people who dont agree to with you to go there.

India is the homeland of Hindus.

 

[indushek]

Synopsis:

Muslims breed like rabbits and their condition overall, is not much improved, and the solution may still be in Politics which may bring economic


Politics and economics are related -- Do Indians really need government to arrange the economic affairs of Indians and by doing so, effectively regulate the social affairs of Indians?? Or by restricting itself to legislatively increasing Liberty in all realms Indians may seek to interact in and with?

If Govt doesn't arrange for economic affairs of people then what is it there for? how does economic regulation equal social regulation ??

We aren't a settlers colony where every one is on their own are we?

And muse Muslims aren't neglected Govt per se it is providing reservations and other chances for them to come up. However for a country as large as India any step leaves a lot to be done. The whole pull up of each and every backward section will take time to show up, this isn't a movie or a 2 to 5 year project giving results in short time. The present economic story however portrayed here but recongnised world over was being written when we had even greater poverty. It took almost two decades.

Articles like these are like periodical sign posts showing the way ahead. The true picture will be seen some where down the road at some stop on this road when we summarize.

 

[Lavosh2]

If you want to jump into discussion than it's better to read the context of post? If Indian Muslims are thriving than why your fallows are hell bent to kick them out of India?

Five time Namaj , fatwas of devband, hate preach towards other communities doesn't offer jobs , it needs hard work.

listen 99% Muslim preachers they always preach hate trade , superiority over other religions, sympathy of Islamic terrorism , then hate filled Muslims youth get concentrate on religious matters then educational matters get neglected .

Pakistan is hell of non-muslims how many Hindu,Christen terrorist organizations bombing Pakistan for that.

Muslim youth is blind by hate trade towards non-Muslims which generate weak and neglecting education society.

its about religion not about jobs and economics. they are bombing all over world.

 

[muse]

If Govt doesn't arrange for economic affairs of people then what is it there for? how does economic regulation equal social regulation ?? .

I think we have a genuine ideological divergence here - from my pint of view, Govt's job in the Internal realm of economics is to legislate and regulate a level playing field - it's up to individuals to then make of that level playing field what they will.

look at the alternative (from the article):

In Uttar Pradesh the ruling Samajwadi Party has peeled away Muslim votes. Elsewhere, as in Hyderabad, Muslims now fall in behind parties which appeal explicitly to their interests. Better political organisation may, in time, bring economic reward.

 

[Sugarcane]

sorry, if pakistan created as homeland for all muslims in indian subcontinent refuses the muslims of india, then there is no point of pakistan. when pak was created 25% of indias land was given for 20% muslim population. thats a good deal for muslims.
So indian muslims have right to pakistan else pak should cease to exist.

1. Muslims of today's India didn't supported Pakistan and opted "Hindu India", they got what they wanted. Foundation of partition was Muslim majority areas to go to Muslims, If you still think that Indian Muslims have right over Pakistan than Pakistan also have right over all Muslims majority areas of India.

no this is not about love-hate between hindu and muslim. Its out of love for indian muslims that we demand their right to go to pakistan. if they are denied this right, then the point of pak is not there anymore

LOL!!! I can feel this love.

 

[indushek]

I think we have a genuine ideological divergence here - from my pint of view, Govt's job in the Internal realm of economics is to legislate and regulate a level playing field - it's up to individuals to then make of that level playing field what they will.

look at the alternative (from the article):

No difference actually you are talking of one side of free economy while i am talking of the other. The govt while creating this level playing field should also do something for the backward classes as they are like the 12th player in team and need their chance to get in.

 

[Lavosh2]

double slandered Muslims and Multiple slandered pak Muslims , pakus shoud talk about non-Muslims in their country which struggling for lives .

non-Muslims are second class citizen pak

but they talk pretend how Indian Muslims are neglected and how should we provide economic and social support to them

 

[muse]

The govt while creating this level playing field should also do something for the backward classes as they are like the 12th player in team and need their chance to get in.

As long as the Govt is in the "backward classes" business - the problem will perpetuate -- if it is a level playing field, there would not be a concept such as backward classes -- See as in "secular" - equal before the law