The China vs. India News War

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thats why i said then we have to wait till china becomes weak to resolve the issue.

Except our trajectory is not going down.

7.5% growth of an 8.3 trillion base is far more than we have ever grown. When we were growing at 12% it was of a much smaller economic base.

Whereas India, due to falling growth and falling Rupee values, the GDP is actually going down year by year.

So maybe we should wait until India becomes weak to resolve the issue.

 

[chhota bheem]

Except our trajectory is not going down.

7.5% growth of an 8.3 trillion base is far more than we have ever grown. When we were growing at 12% it was of a much smaller economic base.

Whereas India, due to falling growth and falling Rupee values, the GDP is actually going down year by year.

So maybe we should wait until India becomes weak to resolve the issue.

Thats why they say all good things come to an end.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thats why they say all good things come to an end.

Haha, we'll see I guess.

Mathematically, for 1.5 trillion to catch up with 8.3 trillion, you'd need to grow at something like 20% a year for decades (since the 8.3 trillion will continue to increase at the same time). Let's see if you can do that.

 

[chhota bheem]

Haha, we'll see I guess.

Mathematically, for 1.5 trillion to catch up with 8.3 trillion, you'd need to grow at something like 20% a year for decades (since the 8.3 trillion will continue to increase at the same time). Let's see if you can do that.

Its not just economy my friend.countries can become weak many ways......

 

[Sashan]

We never called you BROTHER and then back stabbed you, it was you who called us "Bhai bhai" (notice this is NOT in Chinese) and then back stabbed us.

The Forward Policy set up military posts far into Chinese territory in the EASTERN sector. The Eastern sector where India does not even claim any land!

And we build roads in Aksai Chin because Aksai Chin is Chinese sovereign territory. The Forward Policy was an attempt to take land in the Eastern sector that India never claimed. That was pure Chinese territory, uncontested by anyone, not disputed by anyone.

Forget about the brother-brother, bhai-bhai or sister-sister relationship between the two countries. When a sovereign country signs a treaty there is a level of sincerity expected and China failed there. A territory dispute exists and China signs a treaty where the first principle is that it will respect the sovereignty and territory of India but unknown to India was laying out road. The appropriate way is be direct and have talks or as you did in 1960s fight the war. Instead lacking a sincerity? That is backstabbing.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Forget about the brother-brother, bhai-bhai or sister-sister relationship between the two countries. When a sovereign country signs a treaty there is a level of sincerity expected and China failed there. A territory dispute exists and China signs a treaty where the first principle is that it will respect the sovereignty and territory of India but unknown to India was laying out road. The appropriate way is be direct and have talks or as you did in 1960s fight the war. Instead lacking a sincerity? That is backstabbing.

We did not interfere with the sovereignty of India. We built roads in our OWN territory.

Whereas India interfered with our sovereignty, they hosted our largest separatist group after a failed violent uprising, and they put military posts inside Chinese sovereign soil. In the Eastern sector where they didn't even claim any land, in pure undisputed Chinese territory.

India started the Sino-Indian War with the Forward Policy, after rejecting Zhou Enlai's FAIR offer of a trade of recognition between AP and Aksai Chin.

Not to mention that India helped the CIA interfere in Tibet from air bases within India during the 1960's, as declassified a while back.

Nehru allowed flights of US spy planes over Tibet, border areas: declassified CIA document - India TV News

 

[Viet]

...
Sichuan cuisine is amazing but avoid the big chilies.

ahem...can we stop talking on war and rather speak on food or girl? Sichuan is famous for good foods and best looking girls in China.

 

[chhota bheem]

We did not interfere with the sovereignty of India. We built roads in our OWN territory.

Whereas India interfered with our sovereignty, they hosted our largest separatist group after a failed violent uprising, and they put military posts inside Chinese sovereign soil. In the Eastern sector where they didn't even claim any land, in pure undisputed Chinese territory.

India started the Sino-Indian War with the Forward Policy, after rejecting Zhou Enlai's FAIR offer of a trade of recognition between AP and Aksai Chin.

Not to mention that India helped the CIA interfere in Tibet from air bases within India during the 1960's, as declassified a while back.

Nehru allowed flights of US spy planes over Tibet, border areas: declassified CIA document - India TV News

The area you are refering to is disputed you can claim its yours but we claim its ours thats why its disputed , and regarding your forward policy ,when you start building on a dispute land what do you expect the other party to do just sit quiet.in responce to chinese development India put 63 post and you think thats forward policy.we started only after 61.. Buy your side started it much before that around 51.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The area you are refering to is disputed you can claim its yours but we claim its ours thats why its disputed , and regarding your forward policy ,when you start building on a dispute land what do you expect the other party to do just sit quiet.in responce to chinese development India put 63 post and you think thats forward policy.we started only after 61.. Buy your side started it much before that around 51.

There is a difference. We built on our own land.

India built military outposts on PURE undisputed, uncontested Chinese land.

That's the whole problem with the Forward Policy. You were pushing deep into land that you did not even claim, land that was neither disputed nor contested by anybody in the world.

Undisputed Chinese territory.

If we had let you take that land, then the US and the Soviets would have gone for the kill and finished us off, considering that we were also in the middle of our worst famine ever. We were on the brink of destruction from the Cold War superpowers, and Nehru KNEW that, which is why he rejected the FAIR deal offered by Zhou Enlai.

 

[chhota bheem]

There is a difference. We built on our own land.

India built military outposts on PURE undisputed, uncontested Chinese land.

That's the whole problem with the Forward Policy. You were pushing deep into land that you did not even claim, land that was neither disputed nor contested by anybody in the world.

Undisputed Chinese territory.

If we had let you take that land, then the US and the Soviets would have gone for the kill and finished us off, considering that we were also in the middle of our worst famine ever.

If it was your undisputed land i dont think your gov will be having so many discussions from so many years to resolve the dispute.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If it was your undisputed land i dont think your gov will be having so many discussions from so many years to resolve the dispute.

No you don't understand.

India claims land in the Western sector, i.e. Aksai Chin.

But the Forward Policy set up posts in the EASTERN sector, deep into Tibet which India never claimed! India claims no land in the Eastern sector at all, that land is not disputed.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

yeah, then jupiter and vinus is coming........

Lol..says someone who cant spell Venus.

 

[chhota bheem]

No you don't understand.

India claims land in the Western sector, i.e. Aksai Chin.

But the Forward Policy set up posts in the EASTERN sector, deep into Tibet which India never claimed! India claims no land in the Eastern sector at all, that land is not disputed.

i understand exactly , thats the dispute we feel Mcmahon line is the one which seperates India and china and chinese stand is ,the other way they feel the agreements we had with Tibet are not recognised.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

i understand exactly , thats the dispute we feel Mcmahon line is the one which seperates India and china and chinese stand is ,the other way they feel the agreements we had with Tibet are not recognised.

Tibet has nothing to do with India, it is a part of China and has been recognized as such by every Government in the world, including the Indian government.

The agreements you had with Tibet were unauthorized, you were dealing with a criminal Tibetan administration that attempted to separate while China was weakened from WW2 and the Chinese Civil War.

They have no legal authority, since Tibet was never recognized as an independent country. Not by anyone, and certainly not by India. If you want to make agreements on the border, you come to China not to traitors, and you certainly don't host them in your country and then let the CIA use your airbases against us either.

 

[dray]

It was you who back stabbed us remember?

First you said Hindi Chini bhai bhai (notice that it is in Hindi, NOT in Chinese).

Then in 1959 you hosted our largest separatist group, just after they failed to violently overthrow the Chinese government.

Then in 1962 you started the Forward Policy against us, which was the beginning of the Sino-Indian War.

Even though we were in the middle of the worst famine in Chinese history, the Great leap forward!

You attacked us while we were on the verge of collapse from starvation, and surrounded on all sides by two enemy superpowers (USA and Soviets).

Yet you still lost. And you have only yourself to blame. Your back stabbing failed.

Nehru's forward policy was not a policy of military aggression. both Aksai Chin and NEFA were considered disputed territory and China breached the 1954 treaty when China started building roads and forward military outposts in Aksai Chin. Forward policy was an attempt by India to maintain status-quo as long as diplomatic resolution is reached.

India was fully aware that China was increasing its military presence in that area, our military submitted several reports on that, but Nehru ignored all the reports and refused to increase our military presence on China border assuming that "friendly" China won't attack India. That was a mistake and we paid a heavy price for that. Our ill-equipped soldiers were outnumbered by 10:1.

China completely misunderstood Forward Policy and followed its policy of preemptive strike. For Nehru, he was not military-minded, in fact he was a pacifist with a clear leaning towards communism, who as a PM once said that we don't need a military, our police force is enough for our security threats!! Such a person would pursue a military strike against China is completely unthinkable.

I would say 1962 was a strategic blunder by China, without 1962 we would have followed our pacifist policies and non-alignment movement, and probably would have supported China as a Asian leader. But that war changed everything, we changed our policy and started building our military which we didn't do since 1947. The result is that, now China has a powerful neighbor that she cannot contain, no matter what some Chinese fanboys claim.