The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[Götterdämmerung]

mass demonstrations against it and people throw stones. The normal russian cant afford it and the railway is blocked for normal trains. There are many problems there

We have mass demonstrations just because of building a bloody railway station in Stuttgart and the Deutsche Bahn famous for having tons of problems with their operations.

Even 2 days on a train is pretty painful.
Do you really think some businessman from Moscow or Bejing is going to tolerate it?

Moscow Businessman: "hey I have an important business proposal to show you...see you in 2 days!"
Bejing Businessman: "2 days....WTF!!"

I once travelled two days from Shanghai to Urumqi by train, but it was part of my work. I enjoyed it very much. But I flew back to Shanghai after my work was done.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I once travelled two days from Shanghai to Urumqi by train, but it was part of my work. I enjoyed it very much. But I flew back to Shanghai after my work was done.

It may be fun the first few times...but it will be a hassle for the rest.

 

[MarkusS]

face reality...it may be fun for tourists to see the landscape. But definitly not if you want travel china.

 

[senheiser]

mass demonstrations against it and people throw stones. The normal russian cant afford it and the railway is blocked for normal trains. There are many problems there

BS, stop spreading your non-sense propaganda

Even 2 days on a train is pretty painful.
Do you really think some businessman from Moscow or Bejing is going to tolerate it?

Moscow Businessman: "hey I have an important business proposal to show you...see you in 2 days!"
Bejing Businessman: "2 days....WTF!!"

Americans tolerate it also its about china to russias asia

 

[seven7seven]

I have to laugh at the people who think HSR is only about how fast it can take them personally to get from point A to point B, in comparison to modes such as flight or shipping. Having HSR linking the Capital Cities of Russia and China will deepen trade ties beyond what most here can imagine. Sure flight is the fastest form of transport but it is very limited in the amount of cargo it can deliver and shipping, whilst great for transporting huge quantities of goods, is far slower than the other two. HSR will enable delivery of substantial amounts of consumable goods (likely high-end) to Russia and then onto Europe, within days. While HSR is high maintenance, it is far cheaper to run in terms of fuel, compared to flight and it allows delivery of goods into key European markets in the time-frame of days compared to weeks for cargo ships, to make the same trip. Plus towns and areas along such a rail link will be boosted by more business and tourism opportunities, generating more local jobs to boost both countries' economies.

From a strategic sense, having HSR between China and Russia also negates any blockade tactics USA and Nato may use in disputes with Russia and China. Having such a valuable trade link will also make many neighbouring countries soften their view on China and Russia because they will all want access to it for trade purposes so it will have soft political worth too. Russia and China are not countries that indulge in token projects of symbolism. Both countries know how valuable having such a HSR link would be for the both of them.

 

[senheiser]

Posted: October 18, 2014
Russian Submarine The Amur 1650 To Be Given To China, India’s Nuclear Energy Welcomed By Russia

A new Russian submarine design called the Amur 1650 is going to be sold to China, with Vladimir Putin hoping that Russia’s economic recession may be averted partially by making deals with the Chinese. Russia also publicly welcomed the expansion of India’s nuclear energy.


In a related report by The Inquisitr, the Russian military successfully tested a Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) launched from the Russian nuclear submarine the Vladimir Monomakh. The U.S. Navy believes that the newest of China’s nuclear submarines the Jin SSBN “would mark China’s first credible at-sea-second-strike nuclear capability.” There’s also talk of a Chinese supersonic submarine that could cross the pacific in less than 100 minutes.

Vladimir Putin has publicly stated that Russia’s nuclear weapons and the Russian submarine fleet will be given an overhaul in the next five to 10 years. To give readers an idea for why this is considered necessary, this was the condition of a Soviet era Viktor-class Russian submarine when it was decommissioned.

Next Big Future. It’s also believed Russia will sign contracts to deliver S-400 missile systems and Su-35 fighter jets to China in the first quarter of 2015. In addition to the Russian submarine and other weapons, the two governments agreed to swap swap $25 billion in Chinese yuan for Russian rubles over three years. They also created economic treaties to benefit both countries. There’s also talk of creating a $250 billion high speed rail project that would connect Moscow to Beijing, which would allow China to greatly lower the cost of trade with Europe.

According to the Economic Times, the tensions between the U.S. and Russia were also raised when India’s nuclear energy plans were announced. Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M. Kadakin told reporters they desire a stable India, and that sustainable development in solving their energy problems was necessary. Kadakin took a jab at the United States by claiming “there is zero technology coming from US to India. India is producing the world’s best nuclear power project with Russia in Koodankulam. US has not given even a nail to this nuclear site.”

@ChineseTiger1986 @Chinese-Dragon @Beidou2020 @TaiShang @cirr @Nihonjin1051 @Viet @Kiss_of_the_Dragon@kaykay @IndoUS

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Americans tolerate it also its about china to russias asia

No, Americans do not tolerate it.
I'm quite sure less than 1% of native born Americans under the age of 60 have spent more than 24 hours on a train...and for the majority of them it wasn't their choice (probably dragged on as kids by their parents).

Flying has been mainstream for a LONG LONG time.

Being on an Amtrak train (the train system here) for > 24 hours is for people who are paranoid of flying or want some scenic adventure.

I have to laugh at the people who think HSR is only about how fast it can take them personally to get from point A to point B, in comparison to modes such as flight or shipping. Having HSR linking the Capital Cities of Russia and China will deepen trade ties beyond what most here can imagine. Sure flight is the fastest form of transport but it is very limited in the amount of cargo it can deliver and shipping, whilst great for transporting huge quantities of goods,

When have you heard of high speed rail hauling heavy freight? Anyways isn't there already a heavy freight line to China?

 

[seven7seven]

When have you heard of high speed rail hauling heavy freight? Anyways isn't there already a heavy freight line to China?

Who said anything about hauling heavy freight?

HSR won't be used like regular cargo trains to mass transport raw materials and heavy goods. That's why I stipulated high-end goods in my earlier post. HSR could easily be used to quickly deliver the high-end goods that China is now looking to break into. Smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, etc. can all be transported in substantial quantities and very quickly to key target markets and gaining a logistical advantage over US, Japanese and Korean competitors. China and Russia are leveraging their geographical advantage in that both countries' huge landmasses span most of Eurasia, and in turn bridges two of the World's most important economic centres, of East Asia and Central Europe. Don't hate on China and Russia for beating USA's pathetic efforts at containing them.

 

[Steakhouse]

Build it and people will come, this high speed rail will attract a lot of tourist want to travel cross country from Europe to China, each stop tourist can get off the train to visit each city the train pass by the area which increase the local business along the train station.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I have to laugh at the people who think HSR is only about how fast it can take them personally to get from point A to point B, in comparison to modes such as flight or shipping. Having HSR linking the Capital Cities of Russia and China will deepen trade ties beyond what most here can imagine. Sure flight is the fastest form of transport but it is very limited in the amount of cargo it can deliver and shipping, whilst great for transporting huge quantities of goods, is far slower than the other two. HSR will enable delivery of substantial amounts of consumable goods (likely high-end) to Russia and then onto Europe, within days. While HSR is high maintenance, it is far cheaper to run in terms of fuel, compared to flight and it allows delivery of goods into key European markets in the time-frame of days compared to weeks for cargo ships, to make the same trip. Plus towns and areas along such a rail link will be boosted by more business and tourism opportunities, generating more local jobs to boost both countries' economies.

From a strategic sense, having HSR between China and Russia also negates any blockade tactics USA and Nato may use in disputes with Russia and China. Having such a valuable trade link will also make many neighbouring countries soften their view on China and Russia because they will all want access to it for trade purposes so it will have soft political worth too. Russia and China are not countries that indulge in token projects of symbolism. Both countries know how valuable having such a HSR link would be for the both of them.

Well said, I think Chia has foreseen the advantage of HSR that why we have massively built the interconnectivity among our cities, to Singapore via Laos and Thailand. And HSR between China and Russia will not only promote the business development but bring the two cultures even closer when money and time are not longer the barrier of travaling.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Who said anything about hauling heavy freight?

HSR won't be used like regular cargo trains to mass transport raw materials and heavy goods. That's why I stipulated high-end goods in my earlier post. HSR could easily be used to quickly deliver the high-end goods that China is now looking to break into. Smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, etc. can all be transported in substantial quantities and very quickly to key target markets and gaining a logistical advantage over US, Japanese and Korean competitors. China and Russia are leveraging their geographical advantage in that both countries' huge landmasses span most of Eurasia, and in turn bridges two of the World's most important economic centres, of East Asia and Central Europe. Don't hate on China and Russia for beating USA's pathetic efforts at containing them.

I think perishables will be pushed harder than non-perishables.
You'd want to ship fresh meat/fish/fruits/vegetables across the continent rather than electronics.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Maybe the other idea of the high-speed train aside from connecting Moscow to Beijing is to open the cities in the Siberian areas of Russia for economic trade since Russia and China already have economic ties.

 

[Nike]

i am smelling some Russian propaganda here

 

[TaiShang]

Project 677 Lada Class / Project 1650 Amur Class Submarines, Russia




An export variant of the Lada Class, the Project 1650 Amur Class has been designed for markets such as India and China. Amur Class is offered in various configurations with a displacement of 550t to 1,850t and different weapon systems. Image courtesy of One half 3544.

From the article above, we may anticipate some big deals between China and Russia in 2015. I would welcome defence tech cooperation and joint production between two two countries' MICs. Europe and US do cooperate on many military programs. Why not China and Russia who are territorial neighbors?

 

[TaiShang]

1. Creates larger business potential for small enterprises that produce high-end tech.
2. Promotes denser people-to-people interaction. Remember that we are talking about over 1.5 billion people here. With overseas tourists who wish to use the lines, the number would be even greater
3. Important for China to further normalize Xinjiang.
4. Because HSR can stop at many cities and major towns along the road, its market reach and cumulative impact is higher. These cities and towns, with their own particular attractions (for tourism and business alike) may have enjoy greater development and economic growth.
5. A great tech and logistics demonstration for China -- symbolically important for both China and Russia.
6. In times of crises/conflict/war, the line might be used as a strategic asset to move people and stuff even, hypothetically, some parts are destroyed by the enemy missiles.
7. When it comes to their strategic partnership and initiatives, no leadership in China and Russia give a damn about what others might think. As a rule, in fact, if they say this is bad, then it must be good.