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China 'has deployed missiles in South China Sea' - Taiwan

China build up those island to prepare for future naval war in SCS, these island allow China to own the air, space, water in the SCS, who control the air will control the battle field.

China won't stop instil these island fully militarize.

US can't force China to back down, US work hard not to allow US over 70 yrs of military supremacy in the control of SCC to lose out to China the coming decade.
 
Indeed, just build some islands where U.S. warships and planes have patrolled for many years and then claimed it has provoked a response.
China has ruled over these water long before the US came into existence, so yeah they have more right over these islands than a belligerent state which is located on an entirely different continent.
The building of the artificial structures themselves is a PRC provocation. :crazy:

Building them does not magically turn international waters into Chinese territorial waters. Likewise international airspace and aircraft identification zone.
A simple reading of the news would have actually helped. China has deployed the weapons on Woody Island and its history is obvious. Just because western imperialists intervened doesn't mean they have become "International property", they belong to China and always will be Chinese territory.
 
The building of the artificial structures themselves is a PRC provocation. :crazy:

Building them does not magically turn international waters into Chinese territorial waters. Likewise international airspace and aircraft identification zone.

Let imagine if US does the same thing anywhere they can? Build artificial islands and block the routes

China has ruled over these water long before the US came into existence, so yeah they have more right over these islands than a belligerent state which is located on an entirely different continent.

Study the case Ly Son islands Vietnam. The Vietnamese lived in the islands several centuries.
How the rule over these water ( near Vietnam coast ) not belong to Vietnamese in the island and the coast but the passing Chinese fishermen or traders? see 9 dashed line.

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mentioned that in 1974 a part of Paracels still occupied by Vietnamese. Chinese put them out by force in a clash in 1974.

They criticized China to deploy missiles to disputed islands. That's the major point.
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Let imagine if US does the same thing anywhere they can? Build artificial islands and block the routes



Study the case Ly Son islands Vietnam. The Vietnamese lived in the islands several centuries.
How the rule over these water ( near Vietnam coast ) not belong to Vietnamese in the island and the coast but the passing Chinese fishermen or traders? see 9 dashed line.

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bien%20dong%20-09.jpg


mentioned that in 1974 a part of Paracels still occupied by Vietnamese. Chinese put them out by force in a clash in 1974.

They criticized China to deploy missiles to disputed islands. That's the major point.
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Pretty useless discussion now. All sides have something to say and it's a never ending bickering contest. China has deployed defensive weapons and there is nothing the so-called super power USA can do about it. Period
 
Pretty useless discussion now. All sides have something to say and it's a never ending bickering contest. China has deployed defensive weapons and there is nothing the so-called super power USA can do about it. Period

That's why there an ongoing case at court of PCA La Haye
 
Well, there goes any pretence of these being civilian projects. Putting missiles there doesn't make China's claims any more legitimate.

They are still strictly civilian. You got to believe it.

Artificially created structures in international waters, equipped with naval- and airbases and airdefences. Coastal missiles batteries will be next. The recoures issues aside, all this will pose a risk to the free flow of international sea and air traffic in the area and region.

Being the largest trading nation on the face of the earth, China will invest more in terms of protecting world trade routes. If the US wants to cooperate, they can join us.

Building them does not magically turn international waters into Chinese territorial waters. Likewise international airspace and aircraft identification zone.

China builds in its sovereign territories, in the first place. And China does not claim EEZ beyond 200NM of the Spratlys as a whole. Same goes with the Xisha.
Let imagine if US does the same thing anywhere they can? Build artificial islands and block the routes



Study the case Ly Son islands Vietnam. The Vietnamese lived in the islands several centuries.
How the rule over these water ( near Vietnam coast ) not belong to Vietnamese in the island and the coast but the passing Chinese fishermen or traders? see 9 dashed line.

140519050307-china-vietnam-map-story-top.jpeg

bien%20dong%20-09.jpg


mentioned that in 1974 a part of Paracels still occupied by Vietnamese. Chinese put them out by force in a clash in 1974.

They criticized China to deploy missiles to disputed islands. That's the major point.
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And yet you have invaded some 28 islands that belonged to China, originally. China has merely 8 islands in the Nanshaqundao.

And you claim further islands from China. That's a little greedy, my friend.

That's why there an ongoing case at court of PCA La Haye

The ongoing Arbitration is not about sovereignty, as the Philippines said many times in their hearing presentation. If it was about sovereignty, Vietnam would oppose it, in the first place.

Vietnam sent observers not to support the Philippines, but to see if the Philippines' Submissions would breach Vietnam's interests.

At the end of the day, everybody is alone in the jungle. Yet, our focus is not on you, but on the US. So, no worries, my friend. We will be fine together.

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HQ-9 missile prompted by US threat
2016-2-19 0:28:01
HQ-9 missile prompted by US threat - Global Times

US Secretary of State John Kerry said on Wednesday that "There is every evidence, every day that there has been an increase of militarization of one kind or another," referring to the reported Chinese deployment of missiles in the "disputed" islands in the South China Sea. He said "it's of serious concern" and the US will "have further very serious conversation" with China. The US media has responded strongly to the allegations that China has deployed HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles on Yongxing Island, one of the islands in the Xisha chain. US Senate Armed Forces Chairman John McCain suggested the US consider "additional options to raise the costs on Beijing's behavior."

The HQ-9 missile is a typical type of defensive weapon. The Xisha Islands are Chinese territory and have long been under China's actual control. Previous disputes in the South China Sea did not involve this area, but this time the US has targeted Yongxing Island in Xisha to attack China's "militarization" of the South China Sea. Washington intends to not only tarnish China's image, but also expand the disputes so as to contain China's activities in the Nansha Islands.

The confrontation between China and the US in the South China Sea is likely to escalate. The whole of Chinese society should be cool-minded and be prepared for long-term competition with the US.

First, we should be clear about the country's stance toward the South China Sea. We are safeguarding our legitimate rights without any radical moves. Island building in Nansha and missile deployment in Xisha are in accordance with international law.

Second, China cares about developing ties with all regional countries. The missiles in Yongxing do not target any South China Sea claimants.

Third, China should send clear messages to the outside world that its defensive deployment in Yongxing targets external military threats. The freedom of navigation in the South China Sea only applies to civilian vessels and aerial vehicles. Outside warships and jet fighters must obey the principle of "innocent passage." American warships and flights have constantly made provocations in the South China Sea. The US is bold about imposing pressure on China, and China must make an appropriate response.

Fourth, how the PLA deploys weapons and the defense levels should be determined by the threat level from external military forces. If the US military stages a real threat and a military clash is looming, the PLA may feel propelled to deploy more powerful weapons.

Fifth, China does not want to see an escalation of Sino-US frictions in the South China Sea, but it should let the US know that its every single provocative act will face countermeasures from China.

Sixth, the main risks come from the uncertainty of intensity of China-US competition. It is unrealistic for relevant countries to woo the US to balance China.

Last, China should adopt an active approach to cope with an opinion war and express its stance to the world. China holds firm strategic initiatives in the South China Sea, and the US has no actual effective tools to contain China in the waters. It is best at rhetoric offense, so we must reason with it head-on.
 
China has ruled over these water long before the US came into existence, so yeah they have more right over these islands than a belligerent state which is located on an entirely different continent.

Oh really? So if China had explored and lay claim to islands thousands of miles away would they have that right as well?o_O

You be contradicting other countries' claims as well.

I mean your President has told the U.S. about sharing half the Pacific Ocean.
 
Oh really? So if China had explored and lay claim to islands thousands of miles away would they have that right as well?o_O

You be contradicting other countries' claims as well.

I mean your President has told the U.S. about sharing half the Pacific Ocean.
Distance here is irrelevant, shall i remind you of Falkland, Hawai & Guam etc........ Besides you might wanna look up, Woody Island is around 350-400 Kms away from Hainan.
 
Distance here is irrelevant, shall i remind you of Falkland, Hawai & Guam etc........ Besides you might wanna look up, Woody Island is around 350-400 Kms away from Hainan.

Vietnam always considers Paracel Islands as Taiwan in China view.
As Vietnam owns Paracel Islands in the 20th century with clear evidence : 1 Vietnamese girl baby was born in Pattle Island ( Paracel ) in 1939, there's weather station built by Vietnam, the girl is the daughter of the weather station staff member. He started his job there in 1937. There's certificate of birth of the girl.

There's a weather station numbered 48859 built in Woody Island by Annam too.

At the time, there's not any Chinese person ever put a feet onto any island of Paracel

Hoàng Sa is an island district of Da Nang in the South Central Coast region of Vietnam. It covers an area of 305 km2 of the Paracel Islands, including these main features: Pattle Island, North Reef, Robert Island, Discovery Reef, Passu Keah, Triton Island, Tree Island, North Island, Middle Island, South Island, Woody Island, Lincoln Island, Duncan Island, Bombay Reef, Observation Bank, West Sand, Vuladdore Reef, Pyramid Rock.
 
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China has ruled over these water long before the US came into existence, so yeah they have more right over these islands than a belligerent state which is located on an entirely different continent.

A simple reading of the news would have actually helped. China has deployed the weapons on Woody Island and its history is obvious. Just because western imperialists intervened doesn't mean they have become "International property", they belong to China and always will be Chinese territory.
Essentially you are saying international treaties relating to the sea, seabed and airspace over it, of which PR of China is a signatory, don't apply? That is an untenable position.

Category:Treaties of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides, if what you say is the case, how come it is only in recent years that PR of China has begin creating these artifical structures? Why not at any other time since its its inception?

Pretty useless discussion now. All sides have something to say and it's a never ending bickering contest. China has deployed defensive weapons and there is nothing the so-called super power USA can do about it. Period
So, might make right? Fine principle! You essentially support the view that treaties entered into by PR China are meaningless, and don't apply to itself (only to others)

They are still strictly civilian. You got to believe it.
Sure :crazy:

What specific military threat is the militarization of supposedly civilian artificial structures addressing?


Being the largest trading nation on the face of the earth, China will invest more in terms of protecting world trade routes. If the US wants to cooperate, they can join us.
China's economic crisis is coming - Al Jazeera English

EU area still bigger, even when looking at total trade
International trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looking at this at a per capita basis, yet another story. China ranks 73, EU 53, Russia 49, US 45. Netherlands 7.
List of countries by exports per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, join the Netherlands if you want to cooperate.

China builds in its sovereign territories, in the first place. And China does not claim EEZ beyond 200NM of the Spratlys as a whole. Same goes with the Xisha.
Check the UN convention on the law of the sea: the places where these artifical structures have been erected are not recognized as sovereign territory. PRC is a signatory. This treaty also instructs on how to deal with situations where the 200nm EEZ of one country overlaps that of another. An EEZ of 200nm does not mean you threaten traffic in that zone to turn away. You can only do that in the 12nm territorial zone, which presupposes sovereign territory, which is what is disputed in the first place.

HQ-9 missile prompted by US threat
2016-2-19 0:28:01
HQ-9 missile prompted by US threat - Global Times
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Just so we know something about the article source: The Global Times is a daily Chinese tabloid under the auspices of the People's Daily newspaper, focusing on international issues at a communist Chinese perspective. The Global Times differentiates itself from other Chinese newspapers in part through its more populist approach to journalism, coupled with a tendency to court controversy.

What are more moderate, mainstream media reporting, both Chinese and international?
 
Essentially you are saying international treaties relating to the sea, seabed and airspace over it, of which PR of China is a signatory, don't apply? That is an untenable position.

Category:Treaties of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides, if what you say is the case, how come it is only in recent years that PR of China has begin creating these artifical structures? Why not at any other time since its its inception?


So, might make right? Fine principle! You essentially support the view that treaties entered into by PR China are meaningless, and don't apply to itself (only to others)


Sure :crazy:

What specific military threat is the militarization of supposedly civilian artificial structures addressing?



China's economic crisis is coming - Al Jazeera English

EU area still bigger, even when looking at total trade
International trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looking at this at a per capita basis, yet another story. China ranks 73, EU 53, Russia 49, US 45. Netherlands 7.
List of countries by exports per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, join the Netherlands if you want to cooperate.


Check the UN convention on the law of the sea: the places where these artifical structures have been erected are not recognized as sovereign territory. PRC is a signatory. This treaty also instructs on how to deal with situations where the 200nm EEZ of one country overlaps that of another. An EEZ of 200nm does not mean you threaten traffic in that zone to turn away. You can only do that in the 12nm territorial zone, which presupposes sovereign territory, which is what is disputed in the first place.

China couldn't pursue such assertiveness before because China wasn't militarily and economically strong as it is today. China has to ensure the security of it's SLOC's which are at constant threat from USA. USA maintains strong military presence in the region and is vigorously arming all the states that China has issues with.
 
China couldn't pursue such assertiveness before because China wasn't militarily and economically strong as it is today. China has to ensure the security of it's SLOC's which are at constant threat from USA. USA maintains strong military presence in the region and is vigorously arming all the states that China has issues with.
So, following your argument of lacking military and economic strength (=might makes right in reverse), what did they do then diplomatically and in international court during this period? And why the switch from (vigorous?) diplomatic efforts to more assertive approaches?

And how specifically has the US encroached on the SLOCs of Asian nations in the region, or specifically PRC? Blockaded anyone, China in particular? (The Cold War meant of course US and USSR were facing off also in this area, notably where SSBNs and SSNs are concerned. You think Russian Tu-142 Bears did not also fly over the South China Sea e.g. from Cam Ranh 1979-2002 and since 2013? Or their navy ships and subs?)
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights | Page 11
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights

Of course, China has not been vigorously reorganizing and rearming its military since the mid to late 1980s?
Modernization of the People's Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
So, following your argument of lacking military and economic strength (=might makes right in reverse), what did they do then diplomatically and in international court during this period? And why the switch from (vigorous?) diplomatic efforts to more assertive approaches?

And how specifically has the US encroached on the SLOCs of Asian nations in the region, or specifically PRC? Blockaded anyone, China in particular? (The Cold War meant of course US and USSR were facing off also in this area, notably where SSBNs and SSNs are concerned. You think Russian Tu-142 Bears did not also fly over the South China Sea e.g. from Cam Ranh 1979-2002 and since 2013? Or their navy ships and subs?)
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights | Page 11
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights

Of course, China has not been vigorously reorganizing and rearming its military since the mid to late 1980s?
Modernization of the People's Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What China is doing are precautionary measures. US has the capability to choke China's SLOC's and therefore Chinese strategy is apt and understandable. China and Russia have different kind of relations, not to mention they share common borders. US is an outsider and an aggressor.
 
China couldn't pursue such assertiveness before because China wasn't militarily and economically strong as it is today. China has to ensure the security of it's SLOC's which are at constant threat from USA. USA maintains strong military presence in the region and is vigorously arming all the states that China has issues with.
So, following your argument of lacking military and economic strength (=might makes right in reverse), what did they do then diplomatically and in international court during this period? And why the switch from (vigorous?) diplomatic efforts to more assertive approaches?

And how specifically has the US encroached on the SLOCs of Asian nations in the region, or specifically PRC? Blockaded anyone, China in particular? (The Cold War meant of course US and USSR were facing off also in this area, notably where SSBNs and SSNs are concerned. You think Russian Tu-142 Bears did not also fly over the South China Sea e.g. from Cam Ranh 1979-2002 and since 2013? Or their navy ships and subs?)
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights | Page 11
U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights

And has not Soviet Union/Russia also armed many of the region's nations? Check the Sipri arms transfer data base. From 1980 on, definitively substantial deliveries to eg Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam.
Trade Registers

Of course, China has not been vigorously reorganizing and rearming its military since the mid to late 1980s?
Modernization of the People's Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What China is doing are precautionary measures. US has the capability to choke China's SLOC's and therefore Chinese strategy is apt and understandable. China and Russia have different kind of relations, not to mention they share common borders. US is an outsider and an aggressor.
No, earlier you said this was a response, it cannot therefor also be a precautionary measure.
The US(N) has the capability to choke any nation's SLOCs. Therefor all nations should follow this strategy of enchroching on international waters/airspace and that of neighbours?
Russia is no less of a 'real politiker' than US is, or China for that matter.
The US is no less of an outsider than e.g. Russia.
Unlike US and PRC, there have been several armed conflict (wars) between USSR and PRC.

What US aggression against China?
China is neutral versus US?

blablabla rethoric.
 

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