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Rafale jets vs ghas ki roti
- Govt gears up to justify high cost of ensuring safe borders
SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, April 19: The Narendra Modi government is preparing to justify the anticipated whopping cost of acquiring the Rafale fighter aircraft by laying stress on safe borders and skies, without which "we will not be able to afford even ghas ki roti (bread made of grass)".

Guns versus butter is a debate that has dogged expensive military acquisitions not only in India but governments the world over. Such are the times for the Modi administration that the Indian Air Force has sounded the alarm over its fast-depleting fleet of fighter aircraft when the country is going through rural distress. Jets versus " ghas ki roti" has a wicked ring to it.

The minister of state for defence, Rao Inderjit Singh, said today that the last hitches in signing the contract for 36 Rafale aircraft would be ironed out in a meeting of the defence acquisitions council scheduled on Thursday.


Estimates of the cost of the deal range from the euro equivalent of Rs 55,000 crore to Rs 65,000 crore with a mean of about Rs 1,700 crore per aircraft. The value will include the cost of training IAF crew, supply of spares over a specified period and the establishment of one or more bases for the aircraft. The cost of each Rafale would roughly equal the cost of about six home-made Tejas light combat aircraft. The Tejas is not yet fully operational.

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A Rafale jet (left); a roti made of grass

Asked if the political cost of acquiring the Rafale was bearable when people in drought-stricken regions such as Bundelkhand were reported to be eating ghas ki roti and farmers in Maharashtra had run out of water, the minister said: "The country can develop only when its borders are safe; when the skies above are safe. And if you do not have that security, even ghas ki roti will not be affordable".

Prime Minister Modi committed to buy the 36 Rafale jets during his visit to Paris a year ago. He had also said that the jets would be bought on terms more favourable for India than those that had been negotiated under the UPA regime through the MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) route, the competition through which the French plane was selected by the IAF. When the MMRCA process was initiated in 2007, the defence establishment under A.K. Antony estimated it would cost about Rs 48,000 crore to acquire 126 planes. Modi's announcement in Paris in April last year led to the scuttling of the MMRCA process and the initiation of a direct off-the-shelf purchase deal for 36 aircraft from France's Dassault Aviation.

But cost escalations since the time the Rafale was selected in 2012, the falling value of the Indian rupee and the delay in contracting have made it difficult for negotiators to beat down the price despite defence minister Manohar Parrikar's assertion that he is a tough bargainer. The Rafale jets were rejected on the grounds of cost by at least four countries. In the past year, however, the French have got firm orders from Egypt and Qatar apart from their own Armee d'l air.

"The Rafale is needed," Rao Inderjit Singh emphasised today. "The LCA (Tejas) is also needed. And our effort is to ensure that whatever funds are available with the ministry of defence are used optimally to modernise the air force," he said.

The minister was speaking on the sidelines of a seminar on "Make in India" at the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI) where Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha also spoke.

In January this year, during the French President's participation as the chief guest in the Republic Day parade, Prime Minister Modi and President Francois Hollande signed a memorandum of agreement to purchase 36 Rafale combat jets. But the memorandum did not include the contract because New Delhi and Paris were still bargaining over the cost.

Defence ministry sources said the contract will oblige the French to 50 per cent offsets. This means that the

French will have to re-invest 50 per cent of the cost into production arrangements in India. When the negotiations began in July last year, the French had agreed to 30 per cent offsets.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160420/jsp/nation/story_81202.jsp#.Vxa_E545CUk
 
I thought that Indians believed that grass had become staple of Pakistan because of her insistence of pursuing a nuclear program. Here India considering Pakistan's staple as an alternate to a fighter jet which is available on the world market without any embargoes.
 
Rafale jets vs ghas ki roti
- Govt gears up to justify high cost of ensuring safe borders
SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, April 19: The Narendra Modi government is preparing to justify the anticipated whopping cost of acquiring the Rafale fighter aircraft by laying stress on safe borders and skies, without which "we will not be able to afford even ghas ki roti (bread made of grass)".

Guns versus butter is a debate that has dogged expensive military acquisitions not only in India but governments the world over. Such are the times for the Modi administration that the Indian Air Force has sounded the alarm over its fast-depleting fleet of fighter aircraft when the country is going through rural distress. Jets versus " ghas ki roti" has a wicked ring to it.

The minister of state for defence, Rao Inderjit Singh, said today that the last hitches in signing the contract for 36 Rafale aircraft would be ironed out in a meeting of the defence acquisitions council scheduled on Thursday.


Estimates of the cost of the deal range from the euro equivalent of Rs 55,000 crore to Rs 65,000 crore with a mean of about Rs 1,700 crore per aircraft. The value will include the cost of training IAF crew, supply of spares over a specified period and the establishment of one or more bases for the aircraft. The cost of each Rafale would roughly equal the cost of about six home-made Tejas light combat aircraft. The Tejas is not yet fully operational.

natjet.jpg

A Rafale jet (left); a roti made of grass

Asked if the political cost of acquiring the Rafale was bearable when people in drought-stricken regions such as Bundelkhand were reported to be eating ghas ki roti and farmers in Maharashtra had run out of water, the minister said: "The country can develop only when its borders are safe; when the skies above are safe. And if you do not have that security, even ghas ki roti will not be affordable".

Prime Minister Modi committed to buy the 36 Rafale jets during his visit to Paris a year ago. He had also said that the jets would be bought on terms more favourable for India than those that had been negotiated under the UPA regime through the MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) route, the competition through which the French plane was selected by the IAF. When the MMRCA process was initiated in 2007, the defence establishment under A.K. Antony estimated it would cost about Rs 48,000 crore to acquire 126 planes. Modi's announcement in Paris in April last year led to the scuttling of the MMRCA process and the initiation of a direct off-the-shelf purchase deal for 36 aircraft from France's Dassault Aviation.

But cost escalations since the time the Rafale was selected in 2012, the falling value of the Indian rupee and the delay in contracting have made it difficult for negotiators to beat down the price despite defence minister Manohar Parrikar's assertion that he is a tough bargainer. The Rafale jets were rejected on the grounds of cost by at least four countries. In the past year, however, the French have got firm orders from Egypt and Qatar apart from their own Armee d'l air.

"The Rafale is needed," Rao Inderjit Singh emphasised today. "The LCA (Tejas) is also needed. And our effort is to ensure that whatever funds are available with the ministry of defence are used optimally to modernise the air force," he said.

The minister was speaking on the sidelines of a seminar on "Make in India" at the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI) where Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha also spoke.

In January this year, during the French President's participation as the chief guest in the Republic Day parade, Prime Minister Modi and President Francois Hollande signed a memorandum of agreement to purchase 36 Rafale combat jets. But the memorandum did not include the contract because New Delhi and Paris were still bargaining over the cost.

Defence ministry sources said the contract will oblige the French to 50 per cent offsets. This means that the

French will have to re-invest 50 per cent of the cost into production arrangements in India. When the negotiations began in July last year, the French had agreed to 30 per cent offsets.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160420/jsp/nation/story_81202.jsp#.Vxa_E545CUk
Increidble, no one batted an eyelid in India when the IAF procured 10 C-17s for $5 billion USD. The only reason the Rafale is facing so much heat is because of the extensive presence of vested interests exercising control over the Indian media.

There is no "guns vs butter debate" to be had, the Rafale's cost will be serviced just like any other defence purchase- through the defence budget of India that is currently at a historic low of 1.65% of GDP. The Rafale is not taking the food out of babys' bellies.
 
Increidble, no one batted an eyelid in India when the IAF procured 10 C-17s for $5 billion USD. The only reason the Rafale is facing so much heat is because of the extensive presence of vested interests exercising control over the Indian media.

There is no "guns vs butter debate" to be had, the Rafale's cost will be serviced just like any other defence purchase- through the defence budget of India that is currently at a historic low of 1.65% of GDP. The Rafale is not taking the food out of babys' bellies.

Expect to see these type of articles till the deal is signed.
 
The article is more of a sick joke that can only be made by leftists.

why Rafale's...why not the new car a MLA is given which costs more than 20Lakhs? That would feed a lot of people for a lot of time.
What about the food given to MLA's and MP's in state Assemblies and parliament? That can feed a lot of people as well.

So, let's ask all govt employees to get their own homes, own vehicles and own phones etc etc which can save more money than rafale deal....
 
Expect to see these type of articles till the deal is signed.

Ya, me too..I expect more dramatically low level stuff....what more can you expect from a media whose daily headlines include how much water Amitabh bachchan wasted during his morning ablutions while people in Latur dies of drought .....
 
Expect to see these type of articles till the deal is signed.

And do we expect to see your positive role in propagating this negative false publicity like our media or do we expect to see this as an aberration? Because it certainly does not help spreading this piece for it to dominate headlines all over. I was unaware of this nonsense till you posted it and its a bread and butter for me!!!!!

On related topic, since when is the government responsible for the bad choices of individual people? I think since ......... never!

When the norm is to reproduce more quickly than I can say word reproduce and divide the land holdings till such that the land held individually by the farmer is not even viable to feed him/her let alone the whole family and then to go get married and have couple of kids more .... and further compound the problem and then blame the government and commit suicide is a norm, what else can be expected. I worked my rear off to become economically sound ... I cut my expenses as a student in college and subsisted in bare minimum needed to have a days food, rest being on nibbles during my education days as I could not afford money beyond my fees and lodging and just food enough to survive and today I pay Rs 23 lacs per annum as combined income tax for my wife and I and yet I don't get 24 hrs electricity and the people who pay 0 rupees and illegally occupy government land nearby get 24 hrs, things are wrong and I loose my touch of humanity and respect for people. So let people feed on grass. Really don't care. If they cant be responsible humans, they might as well be irresponsible animals.
 
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Articles like these are indicative of how deep the rot of corruption & vested interests had set in over the last decade .

No one laments over millions ' squandered' over loans that are written off .
 
i had forewarned that there will be negative articles a lot on this.. So brace up , read and enjoy...

Have faith in the government.. They wont buy white elephants nor anything which is of now use to us and does not provide a strategic leverage..

expectations from my side is very high for new lows on media level of reporting and articles with innovative ways to push their own products..
 
The amount of Money wasted through corruption and in efficiency
in the Country ; by various central and state government departments
runs into lakhs of crores

All state governments have taken Huge debts from the RBI for development purpose
But the money is blown away in corruption ; and populist schemes

Our defence expenditure will ALWAYS remain under 3 percent of the GDP

What about the Tax evasion and the Black money in the country

What about the money taken abroad illegally and the ONE TRILLION dollars
worth of Gold in the country ; which is just lying just like that

Every year India imports 40 Billion dollars worth of Gold ; that is the most useles
thing in this country
 
This money can be justified by saying that about 50% will be invested in India which will bring(I hope) new technology & employment to India.
 

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