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150 Russian tanks and jets 'rolling into Georgian breakaway'

Marshal in this situation whome India is supporting ??
I mena will you guys support Russia or Georgia ??

I think India will sing same old song of peace and peacefull resolution of the situation...... I dont think that India would like to take anyside in this matter even if it is forced to....the relationship with US is improving and dont want to mess with russia at the same time......
 
dont let west propaganda get to you... i have disagreed with russia's previous policies but this time it was Georgia who flamed this war! first they deliberately killed russian peace keepers in georgia and russian/ossetian citizens "1600"!! Russia is not attacking civilians in fact ossetians are fleeing to russia and taken well care..

Hey........actully my facts were wrong here it is not the georgian government but the russian government is claiming that 1600 dead in south Ossatia....and georgian government is rubishing it.....and you should make sure that estern propaganda do not get on to you........chillout yar we are here to discuss the situation....
 
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Considering the fact that India has a good portion of imports from Russia
I thought you guys will stick up for your fellow ally especially when its wasnt their fault. Its also nice to see in your Icon that you you have a Russian sub that was given to Indian Navy and here you are critising them.
So whats the change of tune cus America is gonna attack Pakistan ?
Wishful THinking !!!!!

there is nothing in my post that indicate that i am critiaizing the russian.

First of all America is not going to attack pakistan.......and Do u really belive that Pakistan is so weak like Iraq and Afghanistan that it can be attacked by the americans whenever they want....right now they have to first finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan then they have to deal with Iran........as long as the government in pakistan supports the US....they are not going to attack Pakistan....
 
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Considering the fact that India has a good portion of imports from Russia
I thought you guys will stick up for your fellow ally especially when its wasnt their fault. Its also nice to see in your Icon that you you have a Russian sub that was given to Indian Navy and here you are critising them.
So whats the change of tune cus America is gonna attack Pakistan ?
Wishful THinking !!!!!

the Russians don't give half a damn what people think about them.
 
Georgian forces withdraw from South Ossetia, ask US to mediate
Updated at: 1538 PST, Sunday, August 10, 2008

TBILISI: Georgian forces have withdrawn from nearly all of the breakaway region of South Ossetia, Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia said on Sunday.

"We have left practically all of South Ossetia as an expression of good will and our willingness to stop military confrontation," he said.

Georgia has asked the United States to act as a mediator with Russia in the crisis over the breakaway region of South Ossetia, Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia said on Sunday.

"We have asked United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to mediate with the Russians, to transmit them our message," he said, after announcing that Georgian forces had withdrawn from nearly all of South Ossetia.

Georgian forces withdraw from South Ossetia, ask US to mediate - GEO.tv
 
Guys, allow me to jump in and help me out to make sure few of the basic facts. I would like to get it right for my own consumption.

Georgia, which is being aided (and encouraged) by the West, mainly in the form of Uncle Sam, wishes to join NATO, and probably also, the eurozone.

Within Georgia, they have a couple of areas, one being South Ossestia, which are allegedly not happy with this and would prefer to stick with Russia.

South Ossetia declares breakaway and Georgia retaliates in an apparently heavy-handed way, hence the drama begins...

The tanks start rolling in defence of the South Ossetians, in an attempt to prevent any further slaughter one hand, and ostensibly to prevent any more slippage towards the West and NATO by Georgia.

Then we have the ubiquitous "pipline" thrown into the equation and that’s about it.

All seems a bit "convenient" to me..:coffee:

As to a NATO response I'm not holding my breath, but I think there might be a few fella's pulling their hair out in the US state department.

I am sure that all those on reserve lists in the US/ NATO will be staying away from their phones..
 
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Violence in 2nd Georgian breakaway territory concerns U.N
As fighting continued Sunday between Russia and Georgia over the separatist province of South Ossetia, U.N. officials expressed concern about violence in another Russian-backed breakaway territory in Georgia.


Forces of Abkhazia launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian troops Sunday, intending to drive them out of a small part of Abkhazia that the Georgians controlled, The Associated Press reported.

U.N. Assistant Secretary-General Edmond Mulet said Russian personnel and weapons were part of a military buildup in Abkhazia's capital, Sukhumi. The Georgian government said 4,000 Russian troops have landed in Abkhazia, according to the AP.

Also Sunday, bombing was reported in the Georgian city of Zugdidi, south of the Abkhaz border, "causing panic among the civilian population," Mulet said. Information on casualties and who was responsible for the bombing wasn't available.

"The [U.N.] secretary-general is profoundly concerned over mounting tensions in the Abkhaz zone of conflict," said Lynn Pascoe, U.N. undersecretary-general for political affairs, at an emergency meeting of the Security Council in New York.

Abkhaz forces moved to Abkhazia's border with the rest of Georgia, Mulet said.

The U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Zalmay Khalilzad, told the U.N. Security Council that a Russian-backed military operation in Abkhazia was under way.

Khalilzad also addressed Russia's three-day-old battle with Georgia over South Ossetia, alleging at a Security Council meeting that Russia was trying to overthrow Georgia's government, a former Soviet republic.

Khalilzad told the Security Council that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had told U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili "must go."

Khalilzad then asked Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin whether the Russians were seeking "regime change" in Georgia with the military operation they launched Friday. In response, Churkin objected to the disclosure of a confidential phone call between top diplomats and said that "regime change" was "an American expression." Watch Khalilzad's allegation, Churkin's response »

The term was one the Bush administration used to describe its goals in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which Russia opposed.

Meanwhile, South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali, lay in smoldering ruins Sunday after three days of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces.

Each side accused the other of killing large numbers of civilians. Russia said at least 2,000 people have been killed in Tskhinvali.

The Russia-Georgia conflict, which started in South Ossetia last week, continued Sunday, though Georgia began withdrawing its forces from Tskhinvali early that morning.

Georgian troops and their tanks lined the road leading from Tskhinvali back to the positions they held before Thursday. Alexander Lomaia, secretary of Georgia's National Security Council, said the withdrawal was a show of goodwill, aimed at encouraging Russia to accept a cease-fire.

But Russian shells continued to rain on Georgian positions Sunday. Russia insisted Georgia had no plans to stop its military actions, and that its troops were still being shot at Sunday evening.

Moscow also bombed military targets in Tbilisi, with a CNN crew witnessing one strike at a Georgian air base from about 500 yards away.

Alexander Darchiev, spokesman for Russia's Embassy in Washington, described the attacks as "precision strikes against military infrastructure in order to prevent Georgian aircraft and military attack on our peacekeepers."

Also Sunday, Russia said it sank a Georgian missile boat it said was trying to attack Russian ships.

Georgia, a pro-Western ally of the United States, is intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, both of which have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.

The situation in South Ossetia escalated rapidly from Thursday night, when Georgia said it launched an operation into the region after artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people. It accused Russia of backing the separatists.

Speaking to CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer," Darchiev called Russia's actions in South Ossetia a peace enforcement.

"We want to force the Georgian leadership to peace, and what we see right now on the ground is that Georgian troops not withdrawing but regrouping, including heavy armor and increased attacks on Tskhinvali," Darchiev said. "Mass mobilization is still under way."

But Saakashvili, Georgia's president, told CNN that his country has "no interest whatsoever in pursuing hostilities." He called on the United States and other nations to stop the "intervention and invasion of my sovereign country."


U.S. President George Bush on Sunday condemned the violence between Russia and Georgia.

"My administration has been engaged with both sides of this trying to get a ceasefire," Bush told NBC's Bob Costas in an interview in Beijing, China, where the president has attended Olympic events.

Vice President Dick Cheney spoke to Saakashvili about the fighting and praised him "for his government's restraint, offers of cease-fire, and disengagement of Georgian forces from the zone of conflict in the South Ossetian region of the country," according to the vice president's office.

"The vice president told President Saakashvili that Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community," Lea Anne McBride, press secretary to Cheney, said in a statement.

Some of Georgia's 2,000 troops who have been in Iraq returned to Georgia's capital Sunday, Georgian and U.S. officials said.

Georgia asked the United States for an airlift to carry home its troops, which had been stationed near the Iranian border in Iraq. In Baghdad, a U.S. military spokesman confirmed those flights were under way Sunday.

South Ossetia, which has a population of about 70,000, is inside Georgia but has an autonomous government. Many South Ossetians support unification with North Ossetia, which would make them part of Russia.


Russia supports the South Ossetian government, has given passports to many in South Ossetia, and calls them Russian citizens.

Russia has accused Georgia of a genocidal plot to cleanse the region of ethnic Ossetians loyal to Russia. Conversely, Georgia accuses Russia of executing a long-planned war to take control of the region, which has a key pipeline that carries Asian oil to Black Sea ports.
http://http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/10/georgia.russia/index.html
 
U.S.: Russia trying to topple Georgian government

The United States on Sunday accused Russia of trying to overthrow the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia, where Russian troops have been battling Georgian forces over the breakaway territory of South Ossetia.


Zalmay Khalilzad, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., alleges a Russian official said Georgia's president "must go."

1 of 3 At an emergency session of the United Nations' Security Council, the U.S. alleged Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili "must go."

"This is completely unacceptable and crosses a line," said the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Zalmay Khalilzad, who made the allegation.

In a crackling exchange of a type rarely seen since the end of the Cold War, Khalilzad asked Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin whether the Russians were seeking "regime change" in Georgia with the military operation they launched Friday.

In response, Churkin objected to the disclosure of a confidential phone call between top diplomats and said "regime change" was "an American expression."

The term was one the Bush administration used to describe its goals in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which Russia opposed. But Churkin said some leaders "become an obstacle" to their own people, and "some situations take courageous decisions with regard to the political future."

"Sometimes there are democratically elected or semi-democratically elected leaders who do things which create grave problems for their countries," Churkin told reporters after the meeting. "So sometimes, those leaders should contemplate how useful they have become to their people."

The pro-Western Saakashvili came to power in Georgia's "Rose Revolution" in 2003 and was elected president in 2004 and 2008. His government has strong U.S. backing, has contributed troops to the American-led war in Iraq and applied for membership in NATO.

Georgia's ambassador, Irakli Alasania, said Churkin's meaning was clear enough.

"For me, it confirms that what the Russian Federation is seeking through this military aggression and invasion is to change the democratically elected Georgian government," Alasania said.

Khalilzad said the United States plans to offer a draft resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in Georgia, accusing Russian forces of impeding the withdrawal of Georgian troops from the territory. Though Russia could veto the measure in the Security Council, he said Moscow "is on the wrong side here" and risked damaging its ties with Washington and the West.

"The days of overthrowing leaders by military means in Europe -- those days are gone," Khalilzad said.

The situation in South Ossetia escalated rapidly from Thursday night, when Georgia said it launched an operation into the region after artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people. It accused Russia of backing the separatists.

Russia sent tanks to South Ossetia on Friday, saying it wanted to protect its peacekeepers posted there following cease-fires in years past. By Sunday the conflict was raging in other parts of Georgia as well, including another breakaway area, Abkhazia, located in northwestern Georgia.

Each side accused the other of killing large numbers of civilians. Russia said at least 2,000 people have been killed in South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali.

Churkin repeated Russia's position that it is responding to Thursday's Georgian attack on South Ossetia, which, although inside Georgia, has an autonomous government that is backed by Moscow.

Churkin said Russia's military action is a humanitarian campaign aimed at blocking the "ethnic cleansing" of Ossetians by ethnic Georgians.

He also challenged Khalilzad's argument that Russian forces were waging a "campaign of terror" there, essentially telling council members to consider the source.

"This statement, ambassador, is absolutely unacceptable -- particularly from the lips of the permanent representative of a country whose actions we are aware of, including with regard to civilian populations in Iraq and Afghanistan and Serbia," Churkin said.

But Churkin drew a rebuke from other Security Council members, including its current president, after he questioned the objectivity of a top U.N. official who briefed ambassadors on the conflict in Georgia.


The Security Council's president, Belgium's Jan Grauls, said he was "surprised and dismayed" by Churkin's swipe at Lynn Pascoe, the U.N. undersecretary for political affairs.

Churkin said Pascoe's briefing, which included a statement from Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, "shows that the Secretariat of the United Nations and its leadership was not able to adopt that objective position that is required by the substance of this conflict."
 
Ukraine may expel Russian warships over Georgia conflict
All the balkan nation condenm the russian aggrasion and called this aggresion as an empirial movement to recapture its lost ground. Ukraine's foreign ministry on Sunday threatened to prevent Russian warships off Georgia's coast from returning to their base in the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol.
 
TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has signed a cease-fire proposal Monday that will be taken to Moscow by the French and Finnish foreign ministers.
"We are trying to stop this as soon as possible," Saakashvili said during a conference call with Western journalists Monday.

Saakashvili abruptly ended the call after 20 minutes, saying that Russian warplanes were flying over the presidential palace.

About 15 minutes later, an operator said "Russian planes were bombing near the president's location" and that the call would be rescheduled.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner and Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb were traveling to Moscow Monday after spending more than a day meeting Georgian officials searching for a way to end the conflict over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Stubb said they had put together some elements of a "forceful way forward" to a cease-fire and withdrawal plan.

Sources close to the delegation said the two ministers, along with their Georgian counterpart, would visit the Georgian city of Gori Monday afternoon to see first-hand damage caused by Russian airstrikes.

Saakashvili, in his conference call, claimed that Georgia forces repelled a Russian ground assault against Gori. He said the Russians retreated after advancing to within 5km (3 miles) of the city.

A Russian defense ministry spokesman denied that Russian troops had entered Georgian territory outside of the breakaway regions.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy would visit the capitals of both Russia and Georgia on Tuesday in an effort to end fighting between the former Soviet republics, Saakashvili told reporters.

Meanwhile, swarms of Russian jets launched new raids on Georgia Monday.

Earlier, Russian officials accused Georgia of violating its pledge to observe a cease-fire around the breakaway province of South Ossetia, according to reports.

In the latest attacks Russian jets hit a radar on the outskirts of the Georgian capital, bombed an airfield and also targeted the Black Sea port of Poti, inflicting no casualties, Georgian officials told The Associated Press.

Georgian Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said up to 50 Russian jets were roaming the skies Monday morning.

Georgia declared a cease-fire around the contested region of South Ossetia on Sunday, but Russian officials told AP Georgian forces were not observing it.

Russian Maj.-Gen. Marat Kulakhmetov said that Georgian forces continued shelling Russian positions overnight and conducted a bombing run in the area.

Fears of a second front
Meanwhile Georgia said a Russian general in Abkhazia, the other breakaway province, issued an ultimatum Monday to its forces nearby to disarm or face Russian troops moving into Georgian-controlled territory, AP reported.

U.N. officials had earlier expressed concern about violence in Abkhazia after Abkhaz forces launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian troops Sunday.

On Sunday, bombing was reported in the Georgian city of Zugdidi, south of the Abkhaz border.

The U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Zalmay Khalilzad, told the U.N. Security Council that a Russian-backed military operation in Abkhazia was under way.

Meanwhile South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali, lay in smoldering ruins after four days of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces.

Each side accused the other of killing large numbers of civilians. Russia said at least 2,000 people had been killed in Tskhinvali.

Georgia began withdrawing its forces from Tskhinvali early Sunday.

Lomaia said the withdrawal was a show of goodwill, aimed at encouraging Russia to accept a cease-fire.

Russia insisted Georgia had no plans to stop its military actions.

Tussle for disputed territory

Georgia, a pro-Western ally of the U.S., is intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, both of which have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.

The situation in South Ossetia escalated rapidly from Thursday night, when Georgia said it launched an operation into the region after artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people. It accused Russia of backing the separatists.

South Ossetia, which has a population of about 70,000, is inside Georgia but has an autonomous government. Many South Ossetians support unification with North Ossetia, which would make them part of Russia.


Russia supports the South Ossetian government, has given passports to many in South Ossetia, and calls them Russian citizens.

Russia has accused Georgia of a genocidal plot to cleanse the region of ethnic Ossetians loyal to Russia. Conversely, Georgia accuses Russia of executing a long-planned war to take control of the region, which has a key pipeline that carries Asian oil to Black Sea ports
http://http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/11/georgia.russia/index.html
 
Georgia, whose troops have been trained by Israel, began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia overnight Friday, launching heavy rocket and artillery fire and air strikes that pounded the regional capital Tskhinvali.

The U.S. military began flying 2,000 Georgian troops home from Iraq after Georgia recalled them, even while calling for a truce.

Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s.

Both separatist provinces have close ties with Moscow, while Georgia has deeply angered Russia by wanting to join NATO.

Adding to Georgia's woes, Russian-supported separatists in Abkhazia launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian troops to drive them out of a small part of the province they control.
Abkhazia's separatist government called out the army and reservists on Sunday and declared it would push Georgian forces out of the northern part of the Kodori Gorge, the only area of Abkhazia still under Georgian control.
Separatist Abkhazia forces also were concentrating on the border near Georgia's Zugdidi region.

American diplomats conceded that the US had few options and ruled out military intervention on behalf of Georgia. "We have no good options," a US National Security Council official told The Daily Telegraph. "We need Russia's co-operation over Iran:rofl: and derailing that over a localised conflict in Georgia makes no sense. We just have to hope that diplomacy prevails. The next necessary step is for Russia to respond positively to Georgia's ceasefire declaration."
 
Russia steps up attacks on Georgia
Updated at: 1329 PST, Monday, August 11, 2008


Russia intensified attacks on Georgia on Monday, the Tbilisi government said, ignoring appeals for a ceasefire and US diplomatic warnings.

After taking control of Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia, Russian warplanes carried out fresh bombing raids in Georgia, Georgia's foreign ministry said.

With Russia saying more than 2,000 people have been killed, Europe led diplomatic efforts to end the conflict with the French and Finnish foreign minister holding talks in Tbilisi on Monday ahead of a meeting with Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow on Tuesday.

US President George W. Bush, Georgia's strongest western ally, told Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that the Russian offensive was "unacceptable".

"More than 50 Russian warplanes are flying over Georgia. Tbilisi was bombed. Bombs hit the village of Kojori and Makhata mountain," the foreign ministry in Tblisi said.

Russian planes bombed radars at Tbilisi airport and hit civilian targets in the Georgian city of Gori, an interior ministry spokesman said.

Russian planes had already bombed a special forces base and an air traffic control centre in the Tbilisi suburbs, the spokesman said. Explosions could be heard from the centre of the capital.

Three Russian soldiers were killed and another 18 wounded by Georgian forces in South Ossetia on Monday, despite Georgia saying it had withdrawn its forces, Russia's news agency quoted a South Ossetian spokesman as saying.

Russia steps up attacks on Georgia - GEO.tv
 
Now a bit of humorous reality:

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Hello guys, long time no post in here.

Hm..Russia attacking Georgia...not bad not bad.

Anyways, good luck to them. I would toss my money to Russia, US and their puppets had it coming so I don't feel sorry for Georgia one bit, no matter how so called "Evil" it might be US itself isn't without blame.

So I hope they both screw themselves over, so I can live on watching TV.

And Key's nice to see ya, I would argue against what ya saying about Russia and Chechnya but some other time.

/Anways Chao' nice seeing ya. Back to inactivity.
 

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