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$30bn deal: US to sell F-15s to Saudi Arabia

How did Egypt betray you ? What does Egypt making or not making peace with Israel has to do with you ?.... Don't you find it weired that Saudi Arabia relations with Egypt was bad when Egypt was at war with Israel, and it didn't get better until Sadat became president and made Egypt an American ally ? Saudi Arabia with the help of the US fought against Egypt in Yemen, althu the Yemeni regime was Shia(When Shias were Muslims i guess) back then. Also, don't you find it weired that Shia/Sunni problems started to raise after Iran turned against Israel, and the US ? I am sure you know as i know that the Wahabi sheikhs in Saudi, Egypt, ect..(Supported by your country leaders) don't have a job but to talk bad about Shia's in Iran, Lebanon, Syria, ect. and they even say that they cause more danger than Israel. Your country job has been protecting American interests in the region for decades now, and only a retard doesn't see it. But so you don't think i am just against your country(I am not), it is not just your country leaders(Which you did not elect, so i am not blaming you, or Saudis), it is/was almost every leader in the middle east. Our leaders compete to plz the US, and it is an obvious thing, no matter if we like it or not.


How dare you forget the sacrifices we made for the Arabic and Muslim world during the Arab-Israeli wars. Have you forgotten how King Faisal risked his life for you so that you may win your war against Israel stopping the US from intervening directly?? Have you forgotten how our oil tankers who were on their way to the US and Europe shifted their course and instead went to Egypt?? have you forgotten the Saudi brigade that were sent to Egypt to rescue the Third army but the war stopped before they took action?? Have you forgotten how in 67 we "WERE" fighting Egypt but RIGHT AFTER we went into complete brotherhood ties with Egypt??

Never use the term Wahabi again. That is a Shia invention for consumption of the masses.

Oh and Egyptians are still angry to his day because we stopped co-operation on the Arabic Military Industries program that we sponsored and to this call us traitors for it. They seem to forget that the only reason it was stopped was because Egypt signed the peace treaty thus its reason was exhausted. After Egyptian bad experience with Soviet weapons we made an agreement to make our own but how can we continue to work on making weapons with a country with "Friendly ties" with Israel I hope you understand.
 
How dare you forget the sacrifices we made for the Arabic and Muslim world during the Arab-Israeli wars. Have you forgotten how King Faisal risked his life for you so that you may win your war against Israel stopping the US from intervening directly?? Have you forgotten how our oil tankers who were on their way to the US and Europe shifted their course and instead went to Egypt?? have you forgotten the Saudi brigade that were sent to Egypt to rescue the Third army but the war stopped before they took action?? Have you forgotten how in 67 we "WERE" fighting Egypt but RIGHT AFTER we went into complete brotherhood ties with Egypt??

Never use the term Wahabi again. That is a Shia invention for consumption of the masses.

Oh and Egyptians are still angry to his day because we stopped co-operation on the Arabic Military Industries program that we sponsored and to this call us traitors for it. They seem to forget that the only reason it was stopped was because Egypt signed the peace treaty thus its reason was exhausted. After Egyptian bad experience with Soviet weapons we made an agreement to make our own but how can we continue to work on making weapons with a country with "Friendly ties" with Israel I hope you understand.

We have never forgot the sacrifices that's why Egypt GCC relations have never been better. We look forward on Joining it.
 
How dare you forget the sacrifices we made for the Arabic and Muslim world during the Arab-Israeli wars. Have you forgotten how King Faisal risked his life for you so that you may win your war against Israel stopping the US from intervening directly?? Have you forgotten how our oil tankers who were on their way to the US and Europe shifted their course and instead went to Egypt?? have you forgotten the Saudi brigade that were sent to Egypt to rescue the Third army but the war stopped before they took action?? Have you forgotten how in 67 we "WERE" fighting Egypt but RIGHT AFTER we went into complete brotherhood ties with Egypt??

Never use the term Wahabi again. That is a Shia invention for consumption of the masses.

Oh and Egyptians are still angry to his day because we stopped co-operation on the Arabic Military Industries program that we sponsored and to this call us traitors for it. They seem to forget that the only reason it was stopped was because Egypt signed the peace treaty thus its reason was exhausted. After Egyptian bad experience with Soviet weapons we made an agreement to make our own but how can we continue to work on making weapons with a country with "Friendly ties" with Israel I hope you understand.
My you are a funny fellow, what war did Egypt win against Israel?
 
From a book:

The Middle East: Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabian policy has focused on the need to transform the economy and to reduce the overall dependence of the country on the export of petroleum. Their economic plans prioritise the development of agriculture and industry; they seek to diversify the production base and to improve the skill levels of workers for the benefit of the national economy. There is also an emphasis on promotion of private sector participation and encouragement to the investment of capital in business ventures within Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabia, offset programmes are not regarded as instruments for counter-trade. The objective of the offset programme is to create a number of private sector business projects, mutually beneficial partnerships between Saudi and foreign companies, usually in the form of joint ventures. The Saudi government is looking for technology transfer to upgrade its own capabilities for an overall diversification and strengthening of the economy. Other objectives are to make the best use of the country’s natural resources, to improve potential for long term export, and to develop various service industries which are needed for supporting infrastructure.

The three major programmes through which the Saudi offsets policy has evolved are discussed below:

Peace Shield: This was a programme with Boeing of the USA as prime contractor for establishment of a ground based air defence facility in which the Saudi government pursued an offset programme aimed at bringing in high technology transfer content. The Boeing group set up four Peace Shield offset companies-
The Advanced Electronic Company, to manufacture the latest and most advanced military and commercial electronic equipment within Saudi Arabia.
Aircraft Accessories and Components Company, for maintenance, repair and overhaul of aircraft components like flight controls, pneumatic fuel and hydraulic systems.
Al -Salam Aircraft Company for MRO, upgrade and modification of civil and military aircraft.
International Systems Engineering is a company that specializes in information technology, systems integration and development.
Al-Yamamah: This was a major defence contract between the UK and Saudi Arabia for purchase of military and civil aircraft, helicopters and ships, with associated training and support, as well as construction projects, with British Aerospace as the prime contractor. The total value of this programme was around $7-8 billion i.e. about four to six times larger than the Peace Shield programme. The contract had an investment target of about $1.5 billion. Investments in pharmaceuticals, vegetable oil manufacturing, petroleum, food processing, health care and environment care equipment were also welcomed. The objective was to acquire fully developed, proven technology for immediate commercial application.
Al-Sawary II: This was a programme for purchase of frigates from France for the Saudi Navy at a cost of $3 billion, carrying an offset investment obligation of about 35per cent, in various fields including glass, precious metals, smart cards and agro industry.
Offsets have certainly helped to contribute to the industrialization of Saudi Arabia, diversification of the economy, and participation by the private sector in national economic development. A number of high technology ventures which otherwise may not have fructified, came into existence. Ventures lower in technology content, but with favourable long term business prospects, have also been established. As per the Secretary General of the Economic Offset Program, as many as 36 industrial service projects have come up, with investments totalling about $4.5 billion. These projects have created more than 6,500 new job opportunities. In 2006, the total sales of the companies created under the offset program reached $8 billion and exports about $1.5 billion. The main investments have been in the aircraft, electronic and electric industries (13 per cent), food and medicine (12 per cent), and chemicals and petrochemicals (6 per cent). Health management through specialist medical colleges, nursing schools, nanotechnology research centres and production of specialist medical equipment are the next focus areas.
 
Anyway Mosa the GCC should be integrating it's Military into a United Force, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, it would surely pack a punch.

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Still kind of Surprised Jordan's Economy is still so small.
 
Egypt has received about $1.5 Billion From the GCC out of the $10 billion, however the West has not given the $40-$50 billion it promised.

Giving money to the government is bribing I do not support government to government aid at all. If you really want to aid a country's economy you invest in its infrastructure and economy. This is what we are going in Jordan Egypt Morocco and Turkey now.
 
Giving money to the government is bribing I do not support government to government aid at all. If you really want to aid a country's economy you invest in its infrastructure and economy. This is what we are going in Jordan Egypt Morocco and Turkey now.

True, Most of the Aid went to the Military Corruption is rampant in Egypt, despite growth mass unemployment. we have to wait and see. West is also worried because the Muslim Brotherhood is winning.
 
True, Most of the Aid went to the Military Corruption is rampant in Egypt, despite growth mass unemployment. we have to wait and see. West is also worried because the Muslim Brotherhood is winning.

I support a government that is working for the best interest of the Egyptian people even if my own country is behind another. Only the Egyptian people get to decide who should represent them. Not anyone else.
 
A Saudi spokesman gave further details of the deal: The deal include:

84 new F-15SA.
70 existing F-15S will be upgraded to the same SA standard.
70 Third generation Apache Long bows.
72 Multipurpose Blackhawks AH-60i.
36 Recon armed MD530F.
Upgrading of all existing Apaches to the third generation longbows and all existing blackhawks to the AH-60i standard (Blackhawks armed)
Also the deal includes the following:
500 AMRAAMs.
25 AIM-120 CATM
1000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS) Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
1300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
158 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
500 GBU-31 (2000 lb)
550 GBU-31 (500 lb)

The list is much longer I only could translate those now I will continue the rest which is the part for the helicopters.

The deal also includes the manufacture of subassemblies such as wings, forward fuselages and other components domestically.

I hope this sheds light on this deal completely. I will let you guys decide for yourself.
 
A Saudi spokesman gave further details of the deal: The deal include:

84 new F-15SA.
70 existing F-15S will be upgraded to the same SA standard.
70 Third generation Apache Long bows.
72 Multipurpose Blackhawks AH-60i.
36 Recon armed MD530F.

Also the deal includes the following:
500 AMRAAMs.
25 AIM-120 CATM
1000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS) Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
1300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
158 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
500 GBU-31 (2000 lb)
550 GBU-31 (500 lb)

The list is much longer I only could translate those now I will continue the rest which is the part for the helicopters.

The deal also includes the manufacture of subassemblies such as wings, forward fuselages and other components domestically.

I hope this sheds light on this deal completely. I will let you guys decide for yourself.

isnt a litle bit offensive package ...
what about missiles..todays missiles are very mediatic ...dont you buy something against them...or you have enough toys?
 
isnt a litle bit offensive package ...
what about missiles..todays missiles are very mediatic ...dont you buy something against them...or you have enough toys?

What do you mean??
 

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