than how come they claim historical lands if they admited that they came with three waves one the seljuks the second the mongol the third the safavids they came as refugees from the ottoman oppression they claim lands that they came to as invaders and refugees it's ironic when you say the same about the kurds who came as refugees from the safavids.
speaking the languege doesn't make them genetically turks just like the egyptian and north africans.
what i mean is that is iranian land with iranian name,religion,and artifacts and it have nothing to do with the turk invaders.
Genetics and physical appearance[edit]
A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of
Cambridge geneticists.
[31] The study remarked that his group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including
Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran.
[32] The study found that the Azeris of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran. Some new genetic studies suggest that recent erosion of human population structure might not be as important as previously thought, and overall genetic structure of human populations may not change with the immigration events and thus in the Azerbaijanis' case; the Azeris of the Azerbaijan Republic most of all genetically resemble to other Caucasian people like Armenians,
[33] and people the Azarbaijan region of Iran to other Iranians.
[34]
According to Professor
Xavier De Planhol:
“The language itself provides eloquent proof. Azeri, not unlike Uzbek (see above), lost the vocal harmony typical of Turkish languages. It is a Turkish language learned and spoken by Iranian peasants.
[23]
Even after the Turkic invasions and subsequent Turkification of the area, which lasted several centuries, travelers and scholars cited Persian being used up to the 17th century in
Tabriz. Even the
Ottoman Turkish explorer
Evliya Çelebi (1611–1682) mentions this in his Seyahatname. He also reports that the elite and learned people of Nakhichevan and Maragheh spoke Pahlavi, during his tours of the region. Additionally, the old Pahlavi-based language of Azerbaijan is now extinct.
Also, the Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, published in 1890, writes that Azeri's are only linguistically Turkic and Iranians by race.
[20] The book
Man, published in 1901, comes to the same conclusion.
[21]
Iranian substrate
The Iranian origin of the Azeris defines a link between present-day Azeris and their pre-Turkification
Iranian past and mostly applies to
Iranian Azeris. It is supported by historical accounts, by the existence of the
Old Azari language, present day place names, cultural similarities between Iranian peoples and Azeris, and archaeological and ethnical evidence. It is also favored by notable scholars and sources, such as
Vladimir Minorsky,
Richard Frye,
Xavier De Planhol,
Encyclopaedia of Islam,
Encyclopædia Iranica,
Encyclopædia Britannica,
Grand Dictionnaire Encyclopedique Larousse, and
World Book Encyclopedia.
History of Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan is believed to be named after
Atropates, a
Persian[53][54][55][56] satrap (governor) who ruled in
Atropatene(modern
Iranian Azerbaijan).
[57][58]:2 The name Atropates means "protected by fire". An alternative theory is that
Azerbaijan is the combination of two Persian words, "Āzar" meaning "(holy)
fire" and "pāygān" meaning "the place of".
[59]
Ancient period
Caucasian-speaking Albanian tribes are believed to be the earliest inhabitants of the region where the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan is located.
[62] Early Iranian settlements included the
Scythians in the ninth century BC.
[63]Following the Scythians, the
Medes came to dominate the area to the south of the
Aras River.
[59] Ancient Iranian people of the
Medes forged a vast empire between 900 and 700 BC, which the
Achaemenids integrated into their own empire around 550 BC. During this period,
Zoroastrianism spread in the
Caucasus and in
Atropatene.
Ancient residents of the area spoke the
Ancient Azari language, which belonged to the
Iranian branch of the
Indo-European languages.
[60] In the 11th century A.D. with Seljukid conquests,
Oghuz Turkic tribes started moving across the Iranian plateau into the Caucasus and Anatolia. The influx of the Oghuz and other Turkmen tribes was further accentuated by the Mongol invasion.
[61] Here, the Oghuz tribes divided into various smaller groups, some of whom – mostly
Sunni – moved to
Anatolia (i.e., the later
Ottomans) and became settled, while others remained in the Caucasus region and later – due to the influence of the
Safaviyya – eventually converted to the
Shia branch of Islam. The latter were to keep the name "Turkmen" or "Turcoman" for a long time: from the 13th century onwards they gradually
Turkifiedthe Iranian-speaking populations of Azerbaijan, both the contemporary Republic and Iranian Azerbaijan, thus creating a new identity based on Shia and the use of Oghuz Turkic. Today, this Turkic-speaking population is known as Azerbaijani.
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Origins of Azerbaijani people
An Azeri noblewoman from
Baku, 1897.
[92]
In many references, Azerbaijanis are designated as a
Turkic people, due to their
Turkic language.
[93][94] However, modern-day Azerbaijanis are believed to be primarily the descendants of the
Caucasian Albanian[95][96] and
Iranian peoples who lived in the areas of the Caucasus and northern Iran, respectively, prior to
Turkification. Historian
Vladimir Minorsky writes that largely Iranian and Caucasian populations became Turkic-speaking:
In the beginning of the 5th/11th century the Ghuzz hordes, first in smaller parties, and then in considerable numbers, under the Seljuqids occupied Azerbaijan. In consequence, the Iranian population of Azerbaijan and the adjacent parts of Transcaucasia became Turkophone while the characteristic features of Ādharbāyjānī Turkish, such as Persian intonations and disregard of the vocalic harmony, reflect the non-Turkic origin of the Turkicised population.
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Iranian origin
The Iranian origins of the Azerbaijanis likely derive from ancient Iranian tribes, such as the
Medes in Iranian Azerbaijan, and
Scythian invaders who arrived during the eighth century BC. It is believed that the Medes mixed with
Mannai.
[99] Ancient written accounts, such as one written by Arab historian
Al-Masudi, attest to an Iranian presence in the region:
“ The
Persians are a people whose borders are the
Mahat Mountains and
Azarbaijan up to
Armenia and
Arran, and
Bayleqan and
Darband, and
Ray and
Tabaristan and
Masqat and Shabaran and
Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is
Nishabur, and
Herat and
Marv and other places in land of
Khorasan, and
Sejistan and
Kerman and
Fars and
Ahvaz... All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as
Pahlavi,
Dari,
Azari, as well as other Persian languages.
[100] ”
Archaeological evidence indicates that the Iranian religion of
Zoroastrianism was prominent throughout the Caucasus before Christianity and Islam.
[101][102][103] It has also been hypothesized that the population of Iranian Azerbaijan was predominantly Persian-speaking before the
Oghuz arrived. This claim is supported by the many figures of
Persian literature, such as
Qatran Tabrizi,
Shams Tabrizi,
Nizami Ganjavi, and
Khaghani, who wrote in Persian prior to and during the Oghuz migration, and
Nozhat al-Majales anthology, as well as by
Strabo, Al-Istakhri, and Al-Masudi, who all describe the language of the region as
Persian. The claim is mentioned by other medieval historians, such as
Al-Muqaddasi.
[60]
Encyclopædia Iranica says "The Turkish speakers of Azerbaijan (q.v.) are mainly descended from the earlier Iranian speakers".
[104] The continued presence of pockets of Iranian speakers;
Talysh and
Caucasian Tats are present in Azerbaijan.
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in brief:
- Azeris in Azerbaijan Republic are only Turkic speakers (Turkified) of mixed Iranian and Caucasian origin with no genetic proximity to Turks, Mongols or Turkmens...
- Iranian Azeris are Iranian people with a very loose version of Turkish Azeri as their language while being mostly as Iranian as other Iranians genetically, culturally, religiously, historically and ect... Now even more than ever as they easily interchange with other Iranian people of any ethnicity through marriage, now more than ever as their Turkish language is somehow half half mixed with Persian words and expressions... sometimes even numbers! you know... they are returning to their mother identity fast (they have been an important part of Iran, Persia and Iranians for thousands of years..)
