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Baluchistan Insurgency

I think there needs to be a recognition of what article 15 of the Constitution of Pakistan, under the Fundamental Rights of Citizens of Pakistan, means:

"15. Freedom of movement, etc.
Every citizen shall have the right to remain in, and, subject to any reasonable restriction imposed by law in the public interest, enter and move freely throughout Pakistan and to reside and settle in any part thereof."


Baluchistan contains five percent of the population of Pakistan and comprises 48 percent of the total land area. It is inconceivable that as Pakistan's population continues growing that there will not be demographic changes within Baluchistan, in fact they will become a necessity. However, there needs to be a concerted effort to ensure that the current native Baluch population has access to facilities that can offer them a competitive advantage, or at the very least parity, with future settlers - but the biggest obstacle to that remains, IMO, the Sardars, as Araz mentioned.
 
At Chalamang the armys tactic was to use small groups of army detachments as bait, to draw the militants out into the open. They succeeded in that. The Militants came out to destroy an "easy" target and were destroyed.

This Harrison fellow, he is a personal friend of many Balochi sardars as is his right. But he uses this to present a one-sided and biased view of the operation.
 
BATMAN India has already started toooo many fake websites in the name of Balochis and also in the name of Pukhtuns.
These sites are spreading propoganda and the people who are used for writting Di.rty stuff against Pakistan are non-other than Indians themselves.

Interstingly i come across a website with one word Baloch and that ends with another word which at first sounded strange to me but when i did some research i came to know it was a pure Hindi word.

As now with growing incidents of terrorism inside Pakistan by dirty rats terrorists, India has found the time suitable for launching a fresh propoganda over Balochistan along with fanning terrorism inside Balochistan.

That means richer India will get more terrorism Pakistan will face and the world will be more misinformed.
All the terrorism in Pakistan is direct result of Indian govt. getting richer, I suppose now they have raised monthly payments to their spies from 400Rupees to many folds higher.
Not to mention huge amount spent for creating anti-Pakistan websites and hiring people to fill those and many more forums alike. It does not stop here, they try to hack every web site where Pakistani's are blogging and acquire their personal details. They are also collecting the personal details of all those Pakistanis who go abroad for studies, who are doing some research work or any other important work around the world. There lives are at risk.

India is at war with Musharraf and due to this reason some times I feel Pakistan is suffering because of his leadership skills but than tomorrow it could be any one else, so we have to go to war with Indians before the wipe out all prominent Pakistanis around the globe.
Perhaps first high profile victim was Baynazir and second victim was Lieutenant General Mushtaq Ahmed Baig.

I also said in my previous post that 3 Pakistani cities need to be secured on top priority.
It is really not that difficult. Barrications around important buildings, check post at various major roads. No car should be able to defeat barrications and checkposts.
I'm now afraid of NADRA, that is another important organization of Pakistan and could be next target.
Terrorists are just stripping off Pakistan from their assets which matters most to us or we are proud of.
 
Now, I see a sudden concentration of Indians and their media towards Baluchistan!!!!!
It is a clear cut indicator that evil plans are being hatched as we speak.
Indians want to divert the army from Afghan border to Baluchistan in an effort to irk US, hoping to bag some big contracts in the same sweep.
Pak Army should formulate a stratgey to counter any conspiracy on Baluchistan at any cost.
What ever they do they need to secure Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi first because it’s a classic game plan to tire the opponent. Now we have to chalk out our priorities as we can not run here and there as exactly planned by our enimies.
Pakistan Army should call its reserves, immediately.
We need to use commandos and do classic covert operations and taking out the Indian agents.

It is an interesting observation that terrorism is directly proportional to the economic progress! Could terrorism not be directly proportional to the poverty and dissatisfaction due to historical disenchantment and imbalance in sharing of Balochistan’s wealth? Though one may state that the Pashtuns are with Pakistan, it is worth note that Wali Khan’s party holds the sway and their preamble does speak volumes.

Let finding sops to placate the mind, consternation and frustration not be the substitute to seek the rationale and logic and event not given short shrift.

It is also interesting to learn that India is at war with Musharraf! No logical debate in the post indicates any rationale for the same. Just a heart driven lament disregarding the fact that it was in Musarraf’s time alone that there has been some real moves to have a détente. Therefore, it defies logic as to how India is at war with Musharraf. If wiping out Pakistani politicians was such a cakewalk as being made out in the post, then things would be totally a different kettle of fish for countries who are at loggerheads. The very suggestion is finding solace through self pity and self deprecation! Hardly ways to face the tribulations face on and get the issue by the horn!

I am sure no one has stopped Pakistan from calling its reserve and one wonders if they are not doing classis covert operations as suggested by the post.

Barricades and turning a nation into a fort is no solution.

US has been terrorist free ever since 9/11. They are yet to become a Fort with barricades and checkpoints.

It is not that there is a sudden concentration of Indians alone who are interested in Balochistan. Anyone who is interested in world events and its effect would be not only interested in Balchistan, but also in every other flashpoints in the world. There is nothing unusual in that, unless one prefers to be a frog in the well!
 
That means richer India will get more terrorism Pakistan will face and the world will be more misinformed.
All the terrorism in Pakistan is direct result of Indian govt. getting richer, I suppose now they have raised monthly payments to their spies from 400Rupees to many folds higher.
Not to mention huge amount spent for creating anti-Pakistan websites and hiring people to fill those and many more forums alike. It does not stop here, they try to hack every web site where Pakistani's are blogging and acquire their personal details. They are also collecting the personal details of all those Pakistanis who go abroad for studies, who are doing some research work or any other important work around the world. There lives are at risk.

India is at war with Musharraf and due to this reason some times I feel Pakistan is suffering because of his leadership skills but than tomorrow it could be any one else, so we have to go to war with Indians before the wipe out all prominent Pakistanis around the globe.
Perhaps first high profile victim was Baynazir and second victim was Lieutenant General Mushtaq Ahmed Baig.

I also said in my previous post that 3 Pakistani cities need to be secured on top priority.
It is really not that difficult. Barrications around important buildings, check post at various major roads. No car should be able to defeat barrications and checkposts.
I'm now afraid of NADRA, that is another important organization of Pakistan and could be next target.
Terrorists are just stripping off Pakistan from their assets which matters most to us or we are proud of.

The most important thing we need to do is to make our media aggressive. I often see that media is not playing their role in spreading Nationalism but they are proactive in scoring cheap points. Media’s role should be to eliminate differences among people. There must be many areas where the TV or radio transmission might not be available so this is a vulnerability which could be exploited by the enemy. The relationship between Armed Forces and people should be strengthened, we have East Pakistan example in front of us where poor communication resulted in misunderstandings and hatred.

We need to be strong from inside no one can harm Pakistan from outside (Inshallah).
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It is an interesting observation that terrorism is directly proportional to the economic progress! Could terrorism not be directly proportional to the poverty and dissatisfaction due to historical disenchantment and imbalance in sharing of Balochistan’s wealth? Though one may state that the Pashtuns are with Pakistan, it is worth note that Wali Khan’s party holds the sway and their preamble does speak volumes.

Let finding sops to placate the mind, consternation and frustration not be the substitute to seek the rationale and logic and event not given short shrift.

It is also interesting to learn that India is at war with Musharraf! No logical debate in the post indicates any rationale for the same. Just a heart driven lament disregarding the fact that it was in Musarraf’s time alone that there has been some real moves to have a détente. Therefore, it defies logic as to how India is at war with Musharraf. If wiping out Pakistani politicians was such a cakewalk as being made out in the post, then things would be totally a different kettle of fish for countries who are at loggerheads. The very suggestion is finding solace through self pity and self deprecation! Hardly ways to face the tribulations face on and get the issue by the horn!

I am sure no one has stopped Pakistan from calling its reserve and one wonders if they are not doing classis covert operations as suggested by the post.

Barricades and turning a nation into a fort is no solution.

US has been terrorist free ever since 9/11. They are yet to become a Fort with barricades and checkpoints.

It is not that there is a sudden concentration of Indians alone who are interested in Balochistan. Anyone who is interested in world events and its effect would be not only interested in Balchistan, but also in every other flashpoints in the world. There is nothing unusual in that, unless one prefers to be a frog in the well!
Wali Khan's party won 31 seats, anhd that too only because Jamaat boycotted and PPP was split into two groups in Frontier. So please, marra, don't presume to speak for Pashtuns.
 
The Baloch and the state: conflict of perceptions

Tuesday, June 10, 2008
Alizeh Haider

"The Pakistan Army started military operations in Balochistan in 2001 to construct the cantonments and to have full control over the seaport of Gwader and routes connecting the Central Asian countries with those in South Asia. During this time, the clampdown in Balochistan has become serious. According to a January 2006 statement by Senator Sanaullah Baloch, at least 180 people have died in bombings, 122 children have been killed by paramilitary troops and hundreds of people have been arrested since the beginning of the campaign in early 2005. On Dec 8, 2005, the federal interior minister stated that some 4,000 people had been arrested in Balochistan since the beginning of 2005. This was the report of the Asian Human Rights Commission on May 2, 2006. Two years later, in its statement of May 6, 2008, the AHRC states: "Of all of the country's provinces, Balochistan was the worst hit by the violence perpetrated by the armed forces, including the Army and Air Force. Since 2001 hundreds of people have been killed in aerial bombardments which allegedly utilised American-made and -supplied F16 fighter-bombers. At the same time the land forces displaced thousands of people in order to construct their cantonments and for the land of the Gwader Port Project. The political and nationalist forces are claiming that at least 4,000 persons are missing after arrests and 200,000 persons have been displaced due to military action."

These statistics give us just a hint of what lies behind the inconsolable sense of deprivation and victimisation amongst the Baloch of Pakistan.

The apology tendered by the PPP government to the people of Balochistan on behalf of the people of Pakistan for the atrocities and injustices committed against them and the assurance of a future relationship based upon 'healing and mutual respect' was welcomed by all. Subsequent steps taken by the government such as withdrawal of cases against political leaders and activists which led to the release of Nawab Bugti's grandson and, more recently, of Akhtar Mengal, are sure to strike the right chord with the Baloch.

However, understandably, Baloch leaders feel that while these measures are certainly a good beginning, much more needs to be done in order to repair the damaged relationship between the state and this aggrieved province. In order to find a longstanding solution to the Baloch problem, the government must address the core issues which are fuelling ethnic consciousness amongst the Baloch and are creating tension between them and the state.

Two such issues are: 1) Conflicting views on ethnicity between the state and the Baloch and 2) lack of provincial autonomy and development projects undermining the Baloch's control in their own province. .

In the 60-odd years of its existence, one of Pakistan's biggest failing has been its inability to formulate a national identity. While India has embraced the ethnic and cultural diversity of its states and has presented its national identity as a kaleidoscope of colours and rituals, ethnicities and cultures; a place where the modern and the traditional confluence and are equally celebrated. Pakistan has eyed ethnic diversity with suspicion

India understood a long time ago that for the purpose of its stability it is a political necessity for it to accommodate cultural and ethnic diversity, as opposed to forcibly enforcing a unifying agenda. Pakistan too must understand this crucial concept and realise that the Pakistani state's perception of ethnicity is an important variable in determining the federal government's relations with the province of Balochistan.

Since the independence of Pakistan, Balochistan and the NWFP suffered several obstacles in their integration into the state of Pakistan. While the separation of Bangladesh proved to be the biggest challenge to the process of national integration until 1971, Balochistan is arguably the second-most contentious issue.

"From its nascent years, Pakistani state struggled with the idea of incorporating its various ethnic groups in the process of state building. Instead of embracing ethnic diversity, Pakistan ignored the social and economic diversity within its regions. The ruling elites felt that the only way to preserve Pakistan from the growing forces of regionalism was to incorporate a centralised system of governance. As a consequence, any regional demands were viewed as being anti-state and a threat to the stability of Pakistan." (Ganguly, 1998).

The federal government never accepted the existence of Baloch nationalism and the Baloch's claims to history dating back two thousand years. The desire for the Baloch to establish their autonomy clashed with the aims of the Pakistani government, which sought to obliterate tribal identities and reduce the power of the tribal chiefs. Members of privileged ethnic groups, such as the Punjabis in Pakistan, denounce ethnic claims as parochial and narrow, and instead lay claims to a larger construct of identity, such as the "brotherhood of Islam" in an attempt to de-legitimise ethnic demands. (Alavi, 1989 in Alavi and Harris)

In the alleged process of assimilating the Baloch within the Pakistani state, successive governments have, since partition, come into direct conflict with Baloch nationalists, most recently during Pervez Musharaf's regime, where in his usual recklessness he employed heavy-handed military action against the people of Balochistan. The state denigrated provincial and regional identities as being created by "nefarious and surrogate elements" and as a result failed to incorporate them into mainstream political life. (Malik, 1997)

The new government has very sensibly recognised that military action against your own people often does more harm than good, and a far better option is to open dialogue, understand the Baloch perspective and then address their grievances.

Historically, the Baloch have felt marginalised and neglected by the state. They feel that they have been treated as an internal colony of the federal government, rather than being an equal and important part of the state. Underlying these sentiments is the idea is that the dominant Punjabi ethnic group is exploiting the Baloch of their resources for their own developmental purposes. Increasing divergence in the rate of economic growth between the two provinces has strengthened that belief. These feelings of internal colonisation and relative deprivation have shaped a lot of ethnic resentments of the Baloch against the central government, more specifically against Punjabis and the military bureaucracy which is also dominated by Punjabis. Within the Pakistan Army, the Punjabi and Pashtun representation is estimated at 87 percent to 95 percent, while their population composition is around 75 percent and the Baloch constitute only about 1.3 percent of the armed forces. Despite having an economically active workforce of over 24 percent against the national average of 22 percent, unemployment in the province stands at 33 percent against the national average of 20 percent. (Weaver, 2002)

While gas was first discovered in the province in 1953, supplies to parts of Punjab, like Multan and Rawalpindi, were made by 1964, while Quetta, the capital of Balochistan, received supply in 1986, while other areas such as Dera Bugti received their supplies as late as the nineties, and that too only after a military cantonment was established in the area.

In order to dispel this feeling of colonisation amongst the Baloch, the government must ensure a more equitable relationship between all provinces and revise its own perspective of ethnicity. Ethnicity must not be perceived as a threat to national integration and development, or as an obstacle which would hopefully be eliminated through the process of development. Ethnicity must be allowed to become one of the foundations upon which political identities are created. Otherwise, mismatch between ethnic identity and political identity will continue to cause problems that challenge the federation of Pakistan.
 
All I know if the Baloch nationalist challenge the writ ofthe state they will be crushed. If they have problems their are other ways to address them.
 
All I know if the Baloch nationalist challenge the writ ofthe state they will be crushed. If they have problems their are other ways to address them.

the baloch are not united - they are a bunch of tribes led by their jagirdar leaders,whose only objective is to fill their coffers so that their kin can live the life of luxury in big cities driving un-registered SUVs with guards bearing un-licenced arms daring the writ of the state to stop them. they dont care about their illitrate tribespeople and blame the govt. for their pathetic state of affairs. when bugti was CM and governor of balochistan, what constructive work did he accomplish!.
 
the baloch are not united - they are a bunch of tribes led by their jagirdar leaders,whose only objective is to fill their coffers so that their kin can live the life of luxury in big cities driving un-registered SUVs with guards bearing un-licenced arms daring the writ of the state to stop them. they dont care about their illitrate tribespeople and blame the govt. for their pathetic state of affairs. when bugti was CM and governor of balochistan, what constructive work did he accomplish!.


:) he did only one constructive thing and that was the BB government gave him Rs5 corer which were meant for spending in Blochistan for the masses but Bugti forced the government after a deal to give the money to him and he will spend that.

So
 
All I know if the Baloch nationalist challenge the writ ofthe state they will be crushed. If they have problems their are other ways to address them.

Read history my friend, The Qauid went to Baluchistan for its approval to join Pakistan and it was so successful that the Baluchi in love of Quaid gave him a rifle and the Qauid refuesed the offer instead he said ill use my pen lol. I feel you should avoid hate these are the same people who gave what we so Cherish of Kashmir.
 
Threads merged.

Khalsa,


I have warned you before that you need to post your own comments with the articles you post.

If all you want to do is find Pakistan bashing articles on the web and post them here, then this isn't the forum for you.
 
Read history my friend, The Qauid went to Baluchistan for its approval to join Pakistan and it was so successful that the Baluchi in love of Quaid gave him a rifle and the Qauid refuesed the offer instead he said ill use my pen lol. I feel you should avoid hate these are the same people who gave what we so Cherish of Kashmir.

Interceptor,

I think we need to make a distinction between the BLA and terrorist organizations and certain Sardar's and the majority of peaceful Baloch population.
 
Read history my friend, The Qauid went to Baluchistan for its approval to join Pakistan and it was so successful that the Baluchi in love of Quaid gave him a rifle and the Qauid refuesed the offer instead he said ill use my pen lol. I feel you should avoid hate these are the same people who gave what we so Cherish of Kashmir.

No I think you are getting me wrong. I am not just talking about Baloch nationalists but all nationalists or anyone else who dares to challenge the writ of the government. Now wether its a PPP government or PML-Q government they challenge I am against it and these elements ought to be destroyed and made an example of. I was for the operation against MQM, for the operation against the Sindhi nationalists or the Lal Masjid clerics. Anyone who dares to harm the federation must be eliminated, regardless of what they are fight for. But at the same time I do realize that peace talks should be the first option and destroying them the last option.
 
Read history my friend, The Qauid went to Baluchistan for its approval to join Pakistan and it was so successful that the Baluchi in love of Quaid gave him a rifle and the Qauid refuesed the offer instead he said ill use my pen lol. I feel you should avoid hate these are the same people who gave what we so Cherish of Kashmir.

No I think you are getting me wrong. I am not just talking about Baloch nationalists but all nationalists or anyone else who dares to challenge the writ of the government. Now wether its a PPP government or PML-Q government they challenge I am against it and these elements ought to be destroyed and made an example of. I was for the operation against MQM, for the operation against the Sindhi nationalists or the Lal Masjid clerics. Anyone who dares to harm the federation must be eliminated, regardless of what they are fight for. But at the same time I do realize that peace talks should be the first option and destroying them the last option.
 

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