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^your fuzzy logic continues to provide comic relief. thank you
Your delusional OPINION continues to prove your ignorance.
thankyou
China building new Type 052D guided missile destroyer
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Your delusional OPINION continues to prove your ignorance.
thankyou
i'm not offering any opinion. so far there is no indication there was any downgrade. the manufacturer clearly states the system's deployment.and we are supposed to believe YOUR OPINION?
because YOU say so?
dream on kid...
but hey wishful thinking doesn't cost a dime so carry on
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interactions with you are hardly a debate, they are entertainment.
Why don't you show me a source which says otherwise. For now, we have the official word from Lockheed Martin against the claims of a random chinese nincompoop.
As I said earlier, US has supplied a lot of cutting edge weapon systems to Japan without any downgrades.
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2/10 for poor trolling. try again ladYour delusional OPINION continues to prove your ignorance.
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read through it.
Lockheed Martin · Lockheed Martin?s Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System Successfully Intercepts Second Target This Year
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interactions with indians proves what many people know about your intelligent levels.
low and probably lower than officially thought.
it is spelled "intelligence".
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U.S. downgrades Australian F-35s and contradicts Lockheed Martin claim of no downgrade
Not so stealthy: the $15b fighters - National - smh.com.au
"Not so stealthy: the $15b fighters
Like a beach ball on the radar … the former defence minister Robert Hill with a mock-up of the fighter.
Photo: Jason South
By Craig Skehan and Tom Allard
March 14, 2006
THE ability of Australia's new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to evade detection and enemy attack has been substantially downgraded by the US Defence Department.
And a Liberal MP and former senior defence analyst, Dennis Jensen, warns that the fighters - at $15 billion the most expensive defence purchase in Australia's history - will be unable to maintain air combat dominance.
"Do we really want our pilots to be caught in a knife fight in a telephone booth with an aircraft that, aerodynamically, is incapable of mixing it with the threat?" he said in a submission to a parliamentary inquiry.
A crucial aspect of the fighter's "stealth capability" - radio frequency signatures - has been downgraded from "very low observable" to "low observable", according to the US Defence Department website.
Peter Goon, a former RAAF flight test engineer, said that would mean the difference between it appearing as a "marble and a beach ball" on enemy radar. The problem with the fighter, Dr Jensen says, is that it can be relatively easily detected from the rear.
A Federal Government source conceded yesterday that the stealth capability definitions had been changed, but maintained that the "design requirements" for the fighter to "avoid detection" had not.
Signs that the stealth capability had been lowered first emerged last year, when key performance indicators on the US Defence Department Joint Strike Fighter website changed. The manufacturer of the aircraft, Lockheed Martin, insisted repeatedly to the Herald that the reported shift was an error. Australia's Defence Department also maintained there had been no change.
But those assurances have proven false. When the Herald contacted the US Defence Department Joint Strike Fighter program office in Washington, a spokeswoman said the latest table on its website was correct. "There is no reason to pull it from there," she said.
A Lockheed Martin spokesman said yesterday: "We will have to defer to our clients, the US Government, if that is their decision."
The downgrading in the stealth capability is only one issue that concerns Dr Jensen, who has a doctorate in applied physics and used to work at the Defence Science and Technology Organisation.
He said the Joint Strike Fighter could not match the Russian-built Sukhoi strike jets operated by air forces around the region in important respects.
It falls well short of the F-111 jet it is replacing in its long-range strike ability and would require air-to-air refuelling that would leave it and support aircraft vulnerable to enemy missiles and aircraft, he said.
He also said the fighter would almost certainly be more expensive than the Defence Department admits.
"[The Joint Strike] is essentially a second tier bomb truck. It lacks the necessary aerodynamics to defeat the [Sukhoi] Flankers, never mind future aircraft that may proliferate," he told the parliamentary inquiry into Australia's regional air superiority.
The Sukhoi family of Russian aircraft are, or will be, operated by most Asian air forces, including China, Indonesia, Malaysia and India.
It is understood Dr Jensen's concerns are shared by another Liberal MP, David Fawcett. Before he entered politics at the last election, Mr Fawcett was the commander of the Defence Force's flight test and evaluation centre.
Dr Jensen and Mr Fawcett raised their concerns with the Minister for Defence, Brendan Nelson, last month. Dr Jensen told the Herald yesterday he agonised before breaking with the discipline of the Howard Government to lodge his submission, but the issue was too important."
Not so stealthy: the $15b fighters - National - smh.com.au
"Not so stealthy: the $15b fighters
Like a beach ball on the radar … the former defence minister Robert Hill with a mock-up of the fighter.
Photo: Jason South
By Craig Skehan and Tom Allard
March 14, 2006
THE ability of Australia's new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to evade detection and enemy attack has been substantially downgraded by the US Defence Department.
And a Liberal MP and former senior defence analyst, Dennis Jensen, warns that the fighters - at $15 billion the most expensive defence purchase in Australia's history - will be unable to maintain air combat dominance.
"Do we really want our pilots to be caught in a knife fight in a telephone booth with an aircraft that, aerodynamically, is incapable of mixing it with the threat?" he said in a submission to a parliamentary inquiry.
A crucial aspect of the fighter's "stealth capability" - radio frequency signatures - has been downgraded from "very low observable" to "low observable", according to the US Defence Department website.
Peter Goon, a former RAAF flight test engineer, said that would mean the difference between it appearing as a "marble and a beach ball" on enemy radar. The problem with the fighter, Dr Jensen says, is that it can be relatively easily detected from the rear.
A Federal Government source conceded yesterday that the stealth capability definitions had been changed, but maintained that the "design requirements" for the fighter to "avoid detection" had not.
Signs that the stealth capability had been lowered first emerged last year, when key performance indicators on the US Defence Department Joint Strike Fighter website changed. The manufacturer of the aircraft, Lockheed Martin, insisted repeatedly to the Herald that the reported shift was an error. Australia's Defence Department also maintained there had been no change.
But those assurances have proven false. When the Herald contacted the US Defence Department Joint Strike Fighter program office in Washington, a spokeswoman said the latest table on its website was correct. "There is no reason to pull it from there," she said.
A Lockheed Martin spokesman said yesterday: "We will have to defer to our clients, the US Government, if that is their decision."
The downgrading in the stealth capability is only one issue that concerns Dr Jensen, who has a doctorate in applied physics and used to work at the Defence Science and Technology Organisation.
He said the Joint Strike Fighter could not match the Russian-built Sukhoi strike jets operated by air forces around the region in important respects.
It falls well short of the F-111 jet it is replacing in its long-range strike ability and would require air-to-air refuelling that would leave it and support aircraft vulnerable to enemy missiles and aircraft, he said.
He also said the fighter would almost certainly be more expensive than the Defence Department admits.
"[The Joint Strike] is essentially a second tier bomb truck. It lacks the necessary aerodynamics to defeat the [Sukhoi] Flankers, never mind future aircraft that may proliferate," he told the parliamentary inquiry into Australia's regional air superiority.
The Sukhoi family of Russian aircraft are, or will be, operated by most Asian air forces, including China, Indonesia, Malaysia and India.
It is understood Dr Jensen's concerns are shared by another Liberal MP, David Fawcett. Before he entered politics at the last election, Mr Fawcett was the commander of the Defence Force's flight test and evaluation centre.
Dr Jensen and Mr Fawcett raised their concerns with the Minister for Defence, Brendan Nelson, last month. Dr Jensen told the Herald yesterday he agonised before breaking with the discipline of the Howard Government to lodge his submission, but the issue was too important."
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cant win a debate, then resort to abuse....Indian trait
didnt i tell you to go to indian defence and discuss your imported military....go on mate i know you can find it
no mate I aint trolling, you just got utterly burnt and cannot stomach it....
try harder....much much harder
the topic is not F35.
you got any of your world famous citations specifically for aegis??
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You're an idiot.
F-22, F-35, and M1 Abrams tanks. They are all downgraded. Aegis is no exception.
My citation proves you can't trust a Lockheed Martin press release. The U.S. government determines foreign policy and U.S. policy is to degrade military equipment for export.
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hey what do you know....english lessons on a defence forum....do i have to spell correctly too?
since you're not making much sense, the least you could is spell right.hey what do you know....english lessons on a defence forum....do i have to spell correctly too?
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