Chinese and Indian SSBNs are unnecessary and destabilizing US Think Tank

[Chanakyaa]

Hi, @XiNiX . Nice to see you after a long time. Read above quote from article if yourabove post is in response to my post.

No buddy it was fr the article itself.

 

[third eye]

SSBNs are unnecessary and destabilising


Chinese and Indian SSBNs are unnecessary because China-India and China-US strategic relations are stable, and will probably remain so in near future. While the Indian nuclear weapons program is driven by China's nuclear capability, it is America that drives China's nuclear development.

So why are China and India developing SSBNs? The probable answer is that they are doing it for technology demonstration, national prestige, or bureaucratic competition purposes.

The author needs counselling.

The question he has asked in red is answered by what he has written in blue.

 

[HariPrasad]

Arihand is a very low noice Sub. I can recall an interview with a Jurno (Probably Pallav Bagla from Arihant itself). In that interview one of the scientist say that Arihant is very silent. Mr Bagla asks " How can you say that. Scientist answers " You are on sub. do you hear much noice?"

 

[axisofevil]

Really ??? Where was that superb tech when Chinese sub poop up near US carrier during exercise ???

Sats are useful in shallow waters not in deep waters.
They key here is range of missile and MIRV. Chinese has both we will have it soon.

That story about the Chinese sub popping up is BS. Ever think it was allowed to do so on purpose? The Sub was trying to gain intel, the US warship turned off many sensitive sensors so the Chinese can't get any bit of info to help them analyze the capabilities.


Yes range and MIRV is coming along but think what the US is focused on? We are stuck on ABM's when they are focused on something much better. Do you think invisible shields are ficitonal?

 

[IND151]

Alert status: for land-based ballistic missiles, China separates nuclear warheads from their boosters in peacetime

That's interesting.

Arihand is a very low noice Sub. I can recall an interview with a Jurno (Probably Pallav Bagla from Arihant itself). In that interview one of the scientist say that Arihant is very silent. Mr Bagla asks " How can you say that. Scientist answers " You are on sub. do you hear much noice?"

Kindly elaborate......................

 

[Sergi]

That story about the Chinese sub popping up is BS. Ever think it was allowed to do so on purpose? The Sub was trying to gain intel, the US warship turned off many sensitive sensors so the Chinese can't get any bit of info to help them analyze the capabilities.


Yes range and MIRV but think where the US if focused on? We are stuck on ABM's when they are focused on something much better? Do you think invisible sheilds are ficitonal?

Not BS. It was a real thing. Am I wrong ???? @gambit

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Classical Americentrism on display by "so called" Think Tanks.
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It's Australian

 

[axisofevil]

Not BS. It was a real thing. Am I wrong ???? @gambit

Im not saying it didn't happen. Im just saying the story has been exaggerated quite a bit. Like I said, the sensors were turned off. The Americans already knew the sub was trailing it and in its vicinity.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The range of the JL-2 SLBM has been upgraded to 14,000 km+, enough to hit anywhere on the planet from within our own territorial waters.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And JL-3 is coming out soon.

 

[Sergi]

The range of the JL-2 SLBM has been upgraded to 14,000 km+, enough to hit anywhere on the planet from within our own territorial waters.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And JL-3 is coming out soon.

Sorry I didnt read wiki link. Is it MIRVed ????

 

[axisofevil]

The point of the think tank is that both countries lack sufficiently safety mechanisms to prevent major accidents. Building and getting the tech of missiles and subs is one thing but building the operational command and safety structure is another ball games. Seeing how India can't plan and build a f-ing road or a city, it's a f-ing joke. China can build roads and cities but all that stealing and reverse engineering has left serious holes in their capabilities.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Sorry I didnt read wiki link. Is it MIRVed ????

Yes, up to 10 MIRV warheads per missile, for the upgraded JL-2.

Same for the upcoming JL-3.

Though HGV warheads will be the real prize, they are currently being tested.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The range of the JL-2 SLBM has been upgraded to 14,000 km+, enough to hit anywhere on the planet from within our own territorial waters.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And JL-3 is coming out soon.

JL-2 is 12000km with 6-8 MIRVs, it is JL-3 in the near future will the capability of 14000km with 10 MIRVs.

The point of the think tank is that both countries lack sufficiently safety mechanisms to prevent major accidents. Building and getting the tech of missiles and subs is one thing but building the operational command and safety structure is another ball games. Seeing how India can't plan and build a f-ing road or a city, it's a f-ing joke. China can build roads and cities but all that stealing and reverse engineering has left serious holes in their capabilities.

China is in fact a mature nuclear sub player, while India is still in a juvenile one.

It is unfair to equate India's capability to China's.

China has already known to dismantle the retired nuclear subs, while India has yet to prove itself with such experience and capability.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

JL-2 is 12000km with 6-8 MIRVs, it is JL-3 in the near future will the capability of 14000km with 10 MIRVs.

You are right.

That's more than enough range and warheads per submarine.

Now, we just need more SSBN's.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are right.

That's more than enough range and warheads per submarine.

Now, we just need more SSBN's.

The lead boat of the Type 096 SSBN was already deployed on August 1st 2014, so there are still 9 other boats of this class waiting to be deployed.

Also, 20 Type 095 boats are expected to enter into the service in the next 15 years.