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Donald Trump Speaks To Taiwan’s President, Reversing Decades Of U.S. Policy

Huh.....I thought people on here were all saying that Trump was the best U.S presidential candidate for China and even Russia?

Russia, most certainly, yes. China, no. I don't know who was saying "best for China" but they obviously were not paying attention to his campaign speeches.

As for defence increases, that was going to happen no matter which Republican was elected president. It's what we do.
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Russia, most certainly, yes. China, no. I don't know who was saying "best for China" but they obviously were not paying attention to his campaign speeches.

As for defence increases, that was going to happen no matter which Republican was elected president. It's what we do.
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Get the budget under control first, QE is not going to last forever. LKY said the exploding debt is the greatest threat to US primacy.
 
Russia, most certainly, yes. China, no. I don't know who was saying "best for China" but they obviously were not paying attention to his campaign speeches.

As for defence increases, that was going to happen no matter which Republican was elected president. It's what we do.
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Its ironic but you are right to some extent. Seems Trump has more favourable views towards Putin/Russia policies in finding some common ground than towards China. It's surprising but i think Russia might have some sort of rapprochement with the U.S and hence they might gain some strategic space for themselves, while China might be facing the opposite these coming years. Maybe its because Trump himself is more involved in the business world side of things than the geo political side of things, hence his views and focus on China. These coming years will be interesting to watch.:)
 
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China could dump some useless T-bills starting from Jan 20, 2017.

A businessman will quickly understand the ramifications. He will send his Treasury Secretary over to Beijing to talk nice.

Money talks, bullshit walks.
You are correct...

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-12/relax-we-ll-survive-china-s-sales-of-u-s-debt-
If you want to support your currency, you buy it. And you buy it using foreign exchange reserves -- in this case, China's $1 trillion-plus stockpile of Treasuries, which it has been building up for years.

But China's sales of U.S. debt haven't sent the price of Treasuries plummeting (or thought of another way, it hasn't caused interest rates to soar). Instead, as China has stepped out of the market, other investors have stepped in. It turns out that the demand for U.S. government bonds is much wider and deeper than many had expected.
The belief and argument that somehow China, and others, can 'dump' US T-bills and do serious damage to US is -- bullshit.

If money talks, it looks like the dollar is louder than what China may say and is drowning out the BS. A businessman like Trump will quickly understand the ramifications.
 
Huh.....I thought people on here were all saying that Trump was the best U.S presidential candidate for China and even Russia??:what: lol


Mmm, not really.

It is true that we here on the PDF, along with Russia, did our best to get Trump elected. And we did it. Check out CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and all major media.

Just as Trump was telling truth when he said that Hillary/Obama helped found ISIS, the media is right that Russia (+Russia's man Assange) played perhaps some 70% role in getting Trump elected.

Trump will definitely remain appreciated for that. Just imagine Russia's FSA leaks information as to a collaboration between WikiLeaks and Trump campaign?

Putin might have caught Trump by his ***** just as Trump claimed he did with some women before.

If I am know Putin a little, he will squeeze every drop of juice from Trump.


China did not take any official position before the election. But, unofficially, there was an OpEd which basically said that Trump or Hillary was essentially the same **** with slightly different colors.

Of course, the OpEd used a gentler language. But the meaning was more or less the way I eloquently described above.
 
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Mmm, not really.

It is true that we here on the PDF, along with Russia, did our best to get Trump elected. And we did it. Check out CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and all major media.

Just as Trump was telling truth when he said that Hillary/Obama helped found ISIS, the media is right that Russia (+Russia's man Assange) played perhaps some 70% role in getting Trump elected.

Trump will definitely remain appreciated for that. Just imagine Russia's FSA leaks information as to a collaboration between WikiLeaks and Trump campaign?

Putin might have caught Trump by his p***y just as Trump did with some women before.

If I am know Putin a little, he will squeeze every drop of juice from Trump.


China did not take any official position before the election. But, unofficially, there was an OpEd which basically said that Trump or Hillary was essentially the same s**t with slightly different colors.

Of course, the OpEd used a gentler language. But the meaning was more or less the way I eloquently described above.

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Funny that someone who really believe Hillary will be nice to China if she were elected. Honestly most Chinese, who support Trump, hope for a more peaceful world and unlike Hillary where Trump have less campaign favour to return, especially for those warmonger corporations. Just look at how the Syria mess turn the Europe upside down, so this is time to end the meaningless war, in which Trump is needed.
 
| Mon Dec 5, 2016 | 10:58pm EST | Reuters
U.S. seeks to reassure Beijing after Trump call with Taiwan leader

By Roberta Rampton and Ben Blanchard | WASHINGTON/BEIJING

The White House said on Monday it had sought to reassure China after President-elect Donald Trump's phone call with Taiwan's leader last week, which the Obama administration warned could undermine progress in relations with Beijing.

The statement from a spokesman for U.S. President Barack Obama highlighted concerns about the potential fallout from Trump's unusual call with Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen on Friday, which prompted a diplomatic protest from Beijing on Saturday.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said senior National Security Council officials spoke twice with Chinese officials over the weekend to reassure them of Washington's commitment to the "One China" policy and to "reiterate and clarify the continued commitment of the United States to our longstanding China policy."

The policy has been in place for 40 years and is focused on promoting and preserving peace and stability in the strait separating China and Taiwan, which is in U.S. interests, Earnest said.

"If the president-elect's team has a different aim, I'll leave it to them to describe," he said.

"The Chinese government in Beijing placed an enormous priority on this situation, and it’s a sensitive matter. Some of the progress that we have made in our relationship with China could be undermined by this issue flaring up," he said.

The call with Taipei was the first by a U.S. president-elect or president with a Taiwan leader since President Jimmy Carter switched diplomatic recognition to China from Taiwan in 1979, acknowledging Taiwan as part of "one China." China regards Taiwan as a renegade province.

Despite tensions over matters ranging from trade to China's pursuit of territorial claims in the South China Sea, the Obama administration has highlighted cooperation on global issues, such as climate change and Iran's and North Korea's nuclear programs.

Earlier on Monday, China's Foreign Ministry said Trump was clear about China's position on the Taiwan issue and that China had maintained contacts with his team.

Vice President-elect Mike Pence sought to play down the telephone conversation, saying on Sunday it was a "courtesy" call, not intended to show a shift in U.S. policy on China.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker, who has been mentioned as a possible secretary of state in the Trump administration, said on Monday he thought reaction to the Taiwan call was being overblown.

"He got a call, he took it, and again, he's getting calls from everyone, so I think probably a lot more is being read into it than is the case, really," Corker said.


'STERN REPRESENTATIONS'

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang would not say directly whom China had lodged "stern representations" with about Trump's call, repeating a weekend statement it had gone to the "relevant side" in the United States.

"The whole world knows about the Chinese government's position on the Taiwan issue. I think President-elect Trump and his team are also clear," Lu told a daily news briefing.

"In fact, China has maintained contacts and communication with the team of President-elect Trump," he added, repeating a previous assertion, although he did not give details.

Lu also said he would not speculate on what prompted the call, but described the matter of Taiwan as the most important and sensitive question between China and the United States.

Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who was White House national security adviser when President Richard Nixon made his historic visit to China in 1972, told a forum in New York on U.S.-China relations that he had been "very impressed at the calm reaction of the Chinese leadership" to Trump's call.

Kissinger, who met with Trump last month, said it suggested Beijing may be looking to develop a "calm dialogue" with the new U.S. administration.


TOUGH RHETORIC

Trump, who vowed during his campaign to label China a currency manipulator, issued more tough rhetoric on Sunday.

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"Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the U.S. doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!" Trump said on Twitter.

China is not currently viewed as a currency manipulator by either the Treasury Department or the International Monetary Fund. The World Trade Organization says Chinese tariffs on imported goods are generally higher than U.S. tariffs.

China, Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei claim parts or all of the energy-rich South China Sea, through which trillions of dollars in trade passes annually.

Lu would not be drawn on directly commenting on Trump's tweets but defended the China-U.S. relationship.

"The China-U.S. economic and trade relationship has over many years always been a highly mutually beneficial one, otherwise it couldn't have developed the way it has today," he said.

The diplomatic contretemps was one of several recently for the Republican president-elect, a real estate magnate who has never held public office and has no foreign affairs or military experience.

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, is still considering his choice for secretary of state.

The Global Times, an influential tabloid published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, said in an editorial on Tuesday that China would have to meet Trump's "reckless remarks" head-on.

"Trump's China-bashing tweet is just a cover for his real intent, which is to treat China as a fat lamb and cut a piece of meat off it," the paper said.


(Additional reporting by Doina Chiacu, David Brunnstrom, Patricia Zengerle, David Chance and David Lawder in Washington; Michelle Nichols in New York; and Michael Martina in Beijing; Editing by Yara Bayoumy, Peter Cooney and Michael Perry)
 
‘Rookie’ Trump must fall into line: China media
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Donald Trump is a “diplomatic rookie” who must learn not to cross Beijing on issues like trade and Taiwan, Chinese state media said Tuesday, warning America could pay dearly for his naivety.

Trump’s protocol-shattering call with Taiwan’s president and a subsequent Twitter tirade against Beijing’s policies could risk upending the delicate balance between the world’s two largest economies, major media outlets said.

“Provoking friction and messing up China-US relations won’t help ‘make America great again’”, said a front-page opinion piece in the overseas edition of Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily.

The nationalist Global Times newspaper’s Chinese edition also ran a page-one story on Trump’s “inability to keep his mouth shut”, damning his “provocation and falsehoods”.

Trump fired off two tweets on Sunday blasting China for devaluing its currency, taxing US imports, and building military installations in the South China Sea.

The comments followed criticism of Trump in US and Chinese media for taking a congratulatory phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, a move that flew in the face of nearly 40 years of diplomatic protocol and raised questions about whether the president-elect intends to pursue a hard line against Beijing.

Official reaction from Beijing has been muted, but China often uses state media to telegraph its policy positions, sometimes employing rhetoric beyond the diplomatic pale.

The Global Times’ English-language edition filled its opinion pages with editorials slamming the president-elect. The often brittle, provocative publication is not considered “official” media but has close ties to the ruling party.

Noting that Sino-US relations had reached a delicate equilibrium thanks to years of careful management, an editorial in the paper warned that Trump “can make a lot of noise but that does not exempt him from the rules of the major power game,” adding that he “doesn’t have sufficient resources” to be provocative with China.

“Trump’s China-bashing tweet is just a cover for his real intent, which is to treat China as a fat lamb and cut a piece of meat off it,” it said.

“He is trying to pillage other countries for US prosperity,” it warned, but instead he will unwittingly “smash the current world economic order” of which the US is the “biggest beneficiary.”

A companion commentary warned that Trump “will in time learn not to cross China”, threatening “a fierce competition” with Beijing if the US increases arms sales to Taiwan.

It was illustrated by an editorial cartoon showing an eagle throwing pebbles at a large, scowling panda.

Meanwhile, the English-language China Daily newspaper warned that “diplomatic rookie” Trump needs to moderate his behaviour or he will create “costly troubles for his country”.

“As president-elect, Trump can expect some forgiveness even when he is shooting from the hip. But things will be different when he becomes president.”

During the presidential campaign, Trump frequently targeted China for fiscal and trade policies that he claimed cost the US millions of jobs.

While China seems to have hoped the rhetoric was more bark than bite, initial signs suggest he will continue to take an aggressive line on the world’s second largest economy.

“If Trump continues talking this way after taking office… China is going to have to make some adjustments in its thinking,” Jia Qingguo, a professor at Peking University, told media, calling the comments “sobering”.

Trump’s decision to speak with Taiwan’s president seems to have particularly rattled Beijing, which regards the democratically-ruled island of 23 million a renegade province, though it has its own legal and military systems and has not been under Beijing’s control for more than 60 years.

“This call was no accident,” said Trey McArver, an analyst for China Politics Weekly. “It is clear that Trump associates, including chief of staff Reince Priebus, have had repeated contact with Tsai and her people in recent months and were well aware of what they were doing.”
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/blog/2016/12/06/rookie-trump-must-fall-into-line-china-media/
 
Funny that someone who really believe Hillary will be nice to China if she were elected. Honestly most Chinese, who support Trump, hope for a more peaceful world and unlike Hillary where Trump have less campaign favour to return, especially for those warmonger corporations. Just look at how the Syria mess turn the Europe upside down, so this is time to end the meaningless war, in which Trump is needed.

No Chinese members here favor Trump over Hillary, both candidates are warmongers, but Hillary is the calmer one, while Trump is reckless like a loose cannon.

Hillary is the expert of dirty player when it comes to the geopolitical game, she knows how to play the divide and conquer game to pit China and its neighbors against each others, also using the TPP to undermine China's economic influence. Also to sponsor more color revolution to brainwash the Chinese youths.

Now, Trump's extreme anti-China policy is a rude awakening even for those pro-West Chinese. CPC's approval rating will return to Mao's era.

The thing remaining to play is the hard power which China is more comfortable than the soft power.
 
this is going to be very interesting....Trump has been trashed a lot over here...i landed in US in May last year and was told that Trump has no chance...and he is just adding flavor to the primaries...and was told democrats would love him to win...and voila that happened....then they all started saying well Hillary has won....and voila all of them woke up to a rude shock....all this time everyone just gave him literally zero chance and yet he continued...what does that mean?? he saw something that most missed...he heard something that most missed....no?? ....

And again i am finding the same stuff...he knows nothing about geo-politics...he knows sh1t...blah blah...anyways my large point is he is going to be president for atleast 4 years...and he is a smart chap....so his actions should be taken with pinch of salt...
 
this is going to be very interesting....Trump has been trashed a lot over here...i landed in US in May last year and was told that Trump has no chance...and he is just adding flavor to the primaries...and was told democrats would love him to win...and voila that happened....then they all started saying well Hillary has won....and voila all of them woke up to a rude shock....all this time everyone just gave him literally zero chance and yet he continued...what does that mean?? he saw something that most missed...he heard something that most missed....no?? ....

And again i am finding the same stuff...he knows nothing about geo-politics...he knows sh1t...blah blah...anyways my large point is he is going to be president for atleast 4 years...and he is a smart chap....so his actions should be taken with pinch of salt...

Sure, he hasn't taken the seat officially yet. So whatever he says or type on his twitter account China will let it sink. But that's about to change very fast as the next month is approaching. Not only the citizens who sided with Hillary got a rude wakening, Trump too will get some reality checks as well if he isn't careful. He can act and talk like a complete bombastic idiot addressing American citizens but dealing with world leaders he will have to behave properly. Sino-US relation is one of the most important in the world, he will understand the importance of China for US economic well being. Lets see how this unorthodox politically inexperienced POTUS handle very delicate issues with China.
 
Chinese govt is panicking because they know that weak Obama is leaving the office. If this makes them butthurt then let's see their heads explode when US begins selling better weapons to Taiwan.
funny though``China was much much weaker 20 years ago, when Taiwan started this nonsense````and why it is not independent yet?

wasnt it true that under your moronic assumption, they got the big daddy's 'full support'?```or was it your master was too chicken to face the 'fragile' and 'evil' China or was it just you that are a complete tool, that cant use a brain to think? :lol:
 
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funny though``China was much much weaker 20 years ago, when Taiwan started this nonsense````and why it is not independent yet?

wasnt it true that under your moronic assumption, they got the big daddy's 'full support'?```or was it your master was too chicken to face the 'fragile' and 'evil' China or was it just you that are a complete tool, that can use a brain to think? :lol:

The CIA sabotage Taiwan's nuclear program TWICE in 1976 and again in 1987. I find that hilarious. that was when china was weaker then and they knew what would happen. an't shit going to happen now that china is x1000 stronger.
 
No Chinese members here favor Trump over Hillary, both candidates are warmongers, but Hillary is the calmer one, while Trump is reckless like a loose cannon.

Hillary is the expert of dirty player when it comes to the geopolitical game, she knows how to play the divide and conquer game to pit China and its neighbors against each others, also using the TPP to undermine China's economic influence. Also to sponsor more color revolution to brainwash the Chinese youths.

Now, Trump's extreme anti-China policy is a rude awakening even for those pro-West Chinese. CPC's approval rating will return to Mao's era.

The thing remaining to play is the hard power which China is more comfortable than the soft power.

I support Trump during election campaign, because I think he is lesser evil of the two, especially he is aimed to make America great again which is a simply slogan and hard to achieve without the cooperation with China. Moreover, for me he is more like a businessman and reality show star, where he will say something big for stunt effect, while knowing against each other or war is bad for business. Not to mention, as all of his past adjusted policies have shown he will change his policy if that doesn't work in reality. The recent extreme anti-China stand and that phone call for me is more like he wants to maximize his bargain chip on China for economic issues, and it also serve as a illusion to switch the public attention from not fulfilling some of his promises. Since any sane person know that USA will never help Taiwan in war, and any top secret of military gears that sell to Taiwan will eventually end up in China, which US know it and never sell it except the second hand junks. Not to mentions, he already made compromise with the establishment to let's the Clinton to walk free, so now he needs another enemy for his supporters to focus. I believe his term is more like the Great deal in 30s that focus on renewing their infrastructure and create more jobs for military industrial complex.I don't believe Trump is reckless as the media is portrayed but a very calculated businessman. However, I too agree this is very early to make a guess. I will wait and see until he is in office.
 

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