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In Germany, are anti-Muslim terrorists the real threat? - Washington Post

Dude, bro, that's some messed up worldview.

At least you should respect others way of life rather than call them primitive or disrespect them just because they are different from you.

respect must be earned. Its not a gift. And i base my point of view on hat i see.

I have no issue with controlling immigration or managing numbers of refugees. This is a sane step every country takes. Also, with Afghan refugees, I'm of the opinion that the ones we do have ought to be integrated fully if we can accommodate them, control any others coming in, and any who are now Pakistani are no different at all from anyone.

I sure don't blame them for coming here, nor blame them for all of Pakistan's problems, nor make them the epicentre of my voting and support policy, nor does their presence cloud my judgement.

You, I mean this in a respectful way, you, do not understand the circumstances of the far right in Europe, it's message, it's motivations, it's reason for popularity and it's implications like I do. Trust me, a long time ago, I predicted a lot of this, EXACTLY I predicted it because it is so typical.

The reason I have a special hate for the far right, is NOT because they want to control immigration but because they are FAR-RIGHT! That means hateful rhetoric to accompany their rabid nationalism, discrimination against others, overt or otherwise, distraction from the real issues (ie economy), false flag policies, and distracting rhetoric.

Here's an example, UKIP, the newest far right phenomena was poised to make shock waves in the 2015 UK GE, and they did, political commentators said that because they are far right, they would break the Conservative (tory) right wing vote, this was a good prediction at the time because Tory back benchers and funders defected to UKIP. However, I predicted that they'd in fact break the traditional left wing vote, not right wing... and I was 100% correct.

Reason?

They gave people false hope and validation that somehow foreigners, foreign aid, immigrants and the EU are to blame.
They said, all you have to do is, vote us and we'll be rebuilding the British empire in a fortnight. This hateful rhetoric formed an effective smoke screen for their REAL policies. Which were fiscal conservationism and a Britain for the elite class. The working class that voted for them rely on public spending, progressive taxation, unionism, that's why they were traditionally left wing. It's with best interests.

But they were fooled into voting for the party that plans unprecedented cuts in public spending, privatisation of parts of the public sector, a FLAT TAX rate, YES! a flat... tax...., more regressive taxation.

They voted DIRECTLY against their own interests and for what? Useless rhetoric?

You're right, this sort of stupidity is not only European, in fact, the Europeans are the best at not being so stupid, but recently, their shifting to become as ordinary, as anyone else.

The far right has successful fooled millions, including our friends in this thread.



You should see what this beautiful superior culture was doing at the turn of the 20th century and midway.

Oh yeah, I went there... :)

Thank God it came to it's senses to form the greatest civilisations in the modern world, some outliers like yourself seem to remain.

What our culture did at early 20th century? Invented space rockets. airplanes. computers and evrything important we have today.
 
It's still true, Europe is probably the most left wing, tolerant place on earth.
I would hardly call those racist, double- standard-freedom of speech advocates "most left wing, tolerant place on earth."
Things like France fighting multiculturalism by forbidding Hijab in Public institutions while permitting Crosses in necklaces and accessories.
And most European countries having "Holocaust laws," where they incriminate any investigation into the history of the Holocaust among other things.

The most tolerant place on Earth is the United States of America. Fact.
 
I would hardly call those racist, double- standard-freedom of speech advocates "most left wing, tolerant place on earth."
Things like France fighting multiculturalism by forbidding Hijab in Public institutions while permitting Crosses in necklaces and accessories.
And most European countries having "Holocaust laws," where they incriminate any investigation into the history of the Holocaust among other things.

The most tolerant place on Earth is the United States of America. Fact.

why should we allow ninja dress here? Its insulting and hateful against europeans. We look each other in the eyes. You dont like it? Then leave.
 
why should we allow ninja dress here? Its insulting and hateful against europeans. We look each other in the eyes. You dont like it? Then leave.
Lol do whatever you want, just don't call it the "most tolerant" place on earth.

Also not a surprising answer coming from someone with the same flag combination as you. I think you hit the jackpot of racism and intolerance, as demonstrated in WWII.
 
@Atanz @Jungibaaz An interesting read in my opinion,this analysis from Stratfor.

<a href="https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/war-between-two-worlds">A War Between Two Worlds</a> is republished with permission of Stratfor."

By George Friedman

The murders of cartoonists who made fun of Islam and of Jews shopping for their Sabbath meals by Islamists in Paris last week have galvanized the world. A galvanized world is always dangerous. Galvanized people can do careless things. It is in the extreme and emotion-laden moments that distance and coolness are most required. I am tempted to howl in rage. It is not my place to do so. My job is to try to dissect the event, place it in context and try to understand what has happened and why. From that, after the rage cools, plans for action can be made. Rage has its place, but actions must be taken with discipline and thought.

I have found that in thinking about things geopolitically, I can cool my own rage and find, if not meaning, at least explanation for events such as these. As it happens, my new book will be published on Jan. 27. Titled Flashpoints: The Emerging Crisis in Europe, it is about the unfolding failure of the great European experiment, the European Union, and the resurgence of European nationalism. It discusses the re-emerging borderlands and flashpoints of Europe and raises the possibility that Europe's attempt to abolish conflict will fail. I mention this book because one chapter is on the Mediterranean borderland and the very old conflict between Islam and Christianity. Obviously this is a matter I have given some thought to, and I will draw on Flashpoints to begin making sense of the murderers and murdered, when I think of things in this way.

Let me begin by quoting from that chapter:

We've spoken of borderlands, and how they are both linked and divided. Here is a border sea, differing in many ways but sharing the basic characteristic of the borderland. Proximity separates as much as it divides. It facilitates trade, but also war. For Europe this is another frontier both familiar and profoundly alien.

Islam invaded Europe twice from the Mediterranean — first in Iberia, the second time in southeastern Europe, as well as nibbling at Sicily and elsewhere. Christianity invaded Islam multiple times, the first time in the Crusades and in the battle to expel the Muslims from Iberia. Then it forced the Turks back from central Europe. The Christians finally crossed the Mediterranean in the 19th century, taking control of large parts of North Africa. Each of these two religions wanted to dominate the other. Each seemed close to its goal. Neither was successful. What remains true is that Islam and Christianity were obsessed with each other from the first encounter. Like Rome and Egypt they traded with each other and made war on each other.

Christians and Muslims have been bitter enemies, battling for control of Iberia. Yet, lest we forget, they also have been allies: In the 16th century, Ottoman Turkey and Venice allied to control the Mediterranean. No single phrase can summarize the relationship between the two save perhaps this: It is rare that two religions might be so obsessed with each other and at the same time so ambivalent. This is an explosive mixture.

Migration, Multiculturalism and Ghettoization
The current crisis has its origins in the collapse of European hegemony over North Africa after World War II and the Europeans' need for cheap labor. As a result of the way in which they ended their imperial relations, they were bound to allow the migration of Muslims into Europe, and the permeable borders of the European Union enabled them to settle where they chose. The Muslims, for their part, did not come to join in a cultural transformation. They came for work, and money, and for the simplest reasons. The Europeans' appetite for cheap labor and the Muslims' appetite for work combined to generate a massive movement of populations.

The matter was complicated by the fact that Europe was no longer simply Christian. Christianity had lost its hegemonic control over European culture over the previous centuries and had been joined, if not replaced, by a new doctrine of secularism. Secularism drew a radical distinction between public and private life, in which religion, in any traditional sense, was relegated to the private sphere with no hold over public life. There are many charms in secularism, in particular the freedom to believe what you will in private. But secularism also poses a public problem. There are those whose beliefs are so different from others' beliefs that finding common ground in the public space is impossible. And then there are those for whom the very distinction between private and public is either meaningless or unacceptable. The complex contrivances of secularism have their charm, but not everyone is charmed.

Europe solved the problem with the weakening of Christianity that made the ancient battles between Christian factions meaningless. But they had invited in people who not only did not share the core doctrines of secularism, they rejected them. What Christianity had come to see as progress away from sectarian conflict, Muslims (and some Christians) may see as simply decadence, a weakening of faith and the loss of conviction.

There is here a question of what we mean when we speak of things like Christianity, Islam and secularism. There are more than a billion Christians and more than a billion Muslims and uncountable secularists who mix all things. It is difficult to decide what you mean when you say any of these words and easy to claim that anyone else's meaning is (or is not) the right one. There is a built-in indeterminacy in our use of language that allows us to shift responsibility for actions in Paris away from a religion to a minor strand in a religion, or to the actions of only those who pulled the trigger. This is the universal problem of secularism, which eschews stereotyping. It leaves unclear who is to be held responsible for what. By devolving all responsibility on the individual, secularism tends to absolve nations and religions from responsibility.

This is not necessarily wrong, but it creates a tremendous practical problem. If no one but the gunmen and their immediate supporters are responsible for the action, and all others who share their faith are guiltless, you have made a defensible moral judgment. But as a practical matter, you have paralyzed your ability to defend yourselves. It is impossible to defend against random violence and impermissible to impose collective responsibility. As Europe has been for so long, its moral complexity has posed for it a problem it cannot easily solve. Not all Muslims — not even most Muslims — are responsible for this. But all who committed these acts were Muslims claiming to speak for Muslims. One might say this is a Muslim problem and then hold the Muslims responsible for solving it. But what happens if they don't? And so the moral debate spins endlessly.

This dilemma is compounded by Europe's hidden secret: The Europeans do not see Muslims from North Africa or Turkey as Europeans, nor do they intend to allow them to be Europeans. The European solution to their isolation is the concept of multiculturalism — on the surface a most liberal notion, and in practice, a movement for both cultural fragmentation and ghettoization. But behind this there is another problem, and it is also geopolitical. I say in Flashpoints that:

Multiculturalism and the entire immigrant enterprise faced another challenge. Europe was crowded. Unlike the United States, it didn't have the room to incorporate millions of immigrants — certainly not on a permanent basis. Even with population numbers slowly declining, the increase in population, particularly in the more populous countries, was difficult to manage. The doctrine of multiculturalism naturally encouraged a degree of separatism. Culture implies a desire to live with your own people. Given the economic status of immigrants the world over, the inevitable exclusion that is perhaps unintentionally incorporated in multiculturalism and the desire of like to live with like, the Muslims found themselves living in extraordinarily crowded and squalid conditions. All around Paris there are high-rise apartment buildings housing and separating Muslims from the French, who live elsewhere.

These killings have nothing to do with poverty, of course. Newly arrived immigrants are always poor. That's why they immigrate. And until they learn the language and customs of their new homes, they are always ghettoized and alien. It is the next generation that flows into the dominant culture. But the dirty secret of multiculturalism was that its consequence was to perpetuate Muslim isolation. And it was not the intention of Muslims to become Europeans, even if they could. They came to make money, not become French. The shallowness of the European postwar values system thereby becomes the horror show that occurred in Paris last week.

The Role of Ideology
But while the Europeans have particular issues with Islam, and have had them for more than 1,000 years, there is a more generalizable problem. Christianity has been sapped of its evangelical zeal and no longer uses the sword to kill and convert its enemies. At least parts of Islam retain that zeal. And saying that not all Muslims share this vision does not solve the problem. Enough Muslims share that fervency to endanger the lives of those they despise, and this tendency toward violence cannot be tolerated by either their Western targets or by Muslims who refuse to subscribe to a jihadist ideology. And there is no way to distinguish those who might kill from those who won't. The Muslim community might be able to make this distinction, but a 25-year-old European or American policeman cannot. And the Muslims either can't or won't police themselves. Therefore, we are left in a state of war. French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has called this a war on radical Islam. If only they wore uniforms or bore distinctive birthmarks, then fighting only the radical Islamists would not be a problem. But Valls' distinctions notwithstanding, the world can either accept periodic attacks, or see the entire Muslim community as a potential threat until proven otherwise. These are terrible choices, but history is filled with them. Calling for a war on radical Islamists is like calling for war on the followers of Jean-Paul Sartre. Exactly what do they look like?

The European inability to come to terms with the reality it has created for itself in this and other matters does not preclude the realization that wars involving troops are occurring in many Muslim countries. The situation is complex, and morality is merely another weapon for proving the other guilty and oneself guiltless. The geopolitical dimensions of Islam's relationship with Europe, or India, or Thailand, or the United States, do not yield to moralizing.

Something must be done. I don't know what needs to be done, but I suspect I know what is coming. First, if it is true that Islam is merely responding to crimes against it, those crimes are not new and certainly didn't originate in the creation of Israel, the invasion of Iraq or recent events. This has been going on far longer than that. For instance, the Assassins were a secret Islamic order to make war on individuals they saw as Muslim heretics. There is nothing new in what is going on, and it will not end if peace comes to Iraq, Muslims occupy Kashmir or Israel is destroyed. Nor is secularism about to sweep the Islamic world. The Arab Spring was a Western fantasy that the collapse of communism in 1989 was repeating itself in the Islamic world with the same results. There are certainly Muslim liberals and secularists. However, they do not control events — no single group does — and it is the events, not the theory, that shape our lives.

Europe's sense of nation is rooted in shared history, language, ethnicity and yes, in Christianity or its heir, secularism. Europe has no concept of the nation except for these things, and Muslims share in none of them. It is difficult to imagine another outcome save for another round of ghettoization and deportation. This is repulsive to the European sensibility now, but certainly not alien to European history. Unable to distinguish radical Muslims from other Muslims, Europe will increasingly and unintentionally move in this direction.

Paradoxically, this will be exactly what the radical Muslims want because it will strengthen their position in the Islamic world in general, and North Africa and Turkey in particular. But the alternative to not strengthening the radical Islamists is living with the threat of death if they are offended. And that is not going to be endured in Europe.

Perhaps a magic device will be found that will enable us to read the minds of people to determine what their ideology actually is. But given the offense many in the West have taken to governments reading emails, I doubt that they would allow this, particularly a few months from now when the murders and murderers are forgotten, and Europeans will convince themselves that the security apparatus is simply trying to oppress everyone. And of course, never minimize the oppressive potential of security forces.

The United States is different in this sense. It is an artificial regime, not a natural one. It was invented by our founders on certain principles and is open to anyone who embraces those principles. Europe's nationalism is romantic, naturalistic. It depends on bonds that stretch back through time and cannot be easily broken. But the idea of shared principles other than their own is offensive to the religious everywhere, and at this moment in history, this aversion is most commonly present among Muslims. This is a truth that must be faced.

The Mediterranean borderland was a place of conflict well before Christianity and Islam existed. It will remain a place of conflict even if both lose their vigorous love of their own beliefs. It is an illusion to believe that conflicts rooted in geography can be abolished. It is also a mistake to be so philosophical as to disengage from the human fear of being killed at your desk for your ideas. We are entering a place that has no solutions. Such a place does have decisions, and all of the choices will be bad. What has to be done will be done, and those who refused to make choices will see themselves as more moral than those who did. There is a war, and like all wars, this one is very different from the last in the way it is prosecuted. But it is war nonetheless, and denying that is denying the obvious.
 
What our culture did at early 20th century? Invented space rockets. airplanes. computers and evrything important we have today.

Your superior culture was claiming half the world for itself, enslaving the colonies, suppressing dissent and opposition, by force I may add.

It was also busy shooting up its own neighbourhood, see 1914 and 1939 style. Massacring its minorities, and causing famines in its colonies to help it's war effort.

Thank God all that glory was put behind, remember, only an idiot forgets this, to put this behind you however, is healthy indeed. :-)
 
Your superior culture was claiming half the world for itself, enslaving the colonies, suppressing dissent and opposition, by force I may add.

It was also busy shooting up its own neighbourhood, see 1914 and 1939 style. Massacring its minorities, and causing famines in its colonies to help it's war effort.

Thank God all that glory was put behind, remember, only an idiot forgets this, to put this behind you however, is healthy indeed. :-)


My post above you.
 
I must admit that sometimes my point of view coincides with that of Flamer and Gabriele.
 
Christianity has been sapped of its evangelical zeal and no longer uses the sword to kill and convert its enemies. At least parts of Islam retain that zeal.

While most of this article is ok, I think author is wrong on this point.

Christianity has not lost its evangelical zeal. It has only substituted methods from Sword to bribes.

Though another thing that is important is that evangelists ,irrespective of their religion, are scumbags. Christian evangelists are even worse than Islamic ones.

The sects of Christianity that are successfully evangelizing are worst of Christianity. They would even put Islamists to shame. The reason that they are more successful than moderate version of Christianity (probably the reason why author overlooked them being that he is not well aware of them) is because they are ready into fall to depths of immorality to get converts.
 
While most of this article is ok, I think author is wrong on this point.

Christianity has not lost its evangelical zeal. It has only substituted methods from Sword to bribes.

Though another thing that is important is that evangelists ,irrespective of their religion, are scumbags. Christian evangelists are even worse than Islamic ones.


No arguement from me on that.Peskky little buggers,no better than beggers assaulting you on the street for a nickle.Altough,the great part of those evanghelists are Yanks.

The sects of Christianity that are successfully evangelizing are worst of Christianity. They would even put Islamists to shame. The reason that they are more successful than moderate version of Christianity (probably the reason why author overlooked them being that he is not well aware of them) is because they are ready into fall to depths of immorality to get converts.

Still,proselytising isn't illegal,even if you do it using financial incentives.Do i find it immoral and not according to Christian values ? Yes.Illegal ? No.Not defending them or anything as i am Orthodox,and we don't "swing" that way.
 
The guy practically admitted that this i
On the immigration front there are far more Indian's pouring into Europe and America then Muslim's ...
After al there is no shortage of them ..
Ask the Australians and see how they get on with the Indians ...

You see flamer you have hurt him & as a proper Pakistani he will do the righteous thing Blanthinme the Indians
 
I knew the answer allready,the poster i gave the question knows it to hence he didn't bother with an aswer.Nobody wants to be outbred in his own lands by foreigners,it's human nature but somehow people expect Europeans to take it lying down.They should understand that European tolerance comes from the fact that they've opened up enough by now but it has to stop.




My man,the tolerant immigrant.UK is lucky to have you.More,more,pls !

Let me give you a small piece of information
In 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan was 22% & now its 1.5%
 
@Atanz @Jungibaaz An interesting read in my opinion,this analysis from Stratfor.

<a href="https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/war-between-two-worlds">A War Between Two Worlds</a> is republished with permission of Stratfor."

By George Friedman

The murders of cartoonists who made fun of Islam and of Jews shopping for their Sabbath meals by Islamists in Paris last week have galvanized the world. A galvanized world is always dangerous. Galvanized people can do careless things. It is in the extreme and emotion-laden moments that distance and coolness are most required. I am tempted to howl in rage. It is not my place to do so. My job is to try to dissect the event, place it in context and try to understand what has happened and why. From that, after the rage cools, plans for action can be made. Rage has its place, but actions must be taken with discipline and thought.

I have found that in thinking about things geopolitically, I can cool my own rage and find, if not meaning, at least explanation for events such as these. As it happens, my new book will be published on Jan. 27. Titled Flashpoints: The Emerging Crisis in Europe, it is about the unfolding failure of the great European experiment, the European Union, and the resurgence of European nationalism. It discusses the re-emerging borderlands and flashpoints of Europe and raises the possibility that Europe's attempt to abolish conflict will fail. I mention this book because one chapter is on the Mediterranean borderland and the very old conflict between Islam and Christianity. Obviously this is a matter I have given some thought to, and I will draw on Flashpoints to begin making sense of the murderers and murdered, when I think of things in this way.

Let me begin by quoting from that chapter:

We've spoken of borderlands, and how they are both linked and divided. Here is a border sea, differing in many ways but sharing the basic characteristic of the borderland. Proximity separates as much as it divides. It facilitates trade, but also war. For Europe this is another frontier both familiar and profoundly alien.

Islam invaded Europe twice from the Mediterranean — first in Iberia, the second time in southeastern Europe, as well as nibbling at Sicily and elsewhere. Christianity invaded Islam multiple times, the first time in the Crusades and in the battle to expel the Muslims from Iberia. Then it forced the Turks back from central Europe. The Christians finally crossed the Mediterranean in the 19th century, taking control of large parts of North Africa. Each of these two religions wanted to dominate the other. Each seemed close to its goal. Neither was successful. What remains true is that Islam and Christianity were obsessed with each other from the first encounter. Like Rome and Egypt they traded with each other and made war on each other.

Christians and Muslims have been bitter enemies, battling for control of Iberia. Yet, lest we forget, they also have been allies: In the 16th century, Ottoman Turkey and Venice allied to control the Mediterranean. No single phrase can summarize the relationship between the two save perhaps this: It is rare that two religions might be so obsessed with each other and at the same time so ambivalent. This is an explosive mixture.

Migration, Multiculturalism and Ghettoization
The current crisis has its origins in the collapse of European hegemony over North Africa after World War II and the Europeans' need for cheap labor. As a result of the way in which they ended their imperial relations, they were bound to allow the migration of Muslims into Europe, and the permeable borders of the European Union enabled them to settle where they chose. The Muslims, for their part, did not come to join in a cultural transformation. They came for work, and money, and for the simplest reasons. The Europeans' appetite for cheap labor and the Muslims' appetite for work combined to generate a massive movement of populations.

The matter was complicated by the fact that Europe was no longer simply Christian. Christianity had lost its hegemonic control over European culture over the previous centuries and had been joined, if not replaced, by a new doctrine of secularism. Secularism drew a radical distinction between public and private life, in which religion, in any traditional sense, was relegated to the private sphere with no hold over public life. There are many charms in secularism, in particular the freedom to believe what you will in private. But secularism also poses a public problem. There are those whose beliefs are so different from others' beliefs that finding common ground in the public space is impossible. And then there are those for whom the very distinction between private and public is either meaningless or unacceptable. The complex contrivances of secularism have their charm, but not everyone is charmed.

Europe solved the problem with the weakening of Christianity that made the ancient battles between Christian factions meaningless. But they had invited in people who not only did not share the core doctrines of secularism, they rejected them. What Christianity had come to see as progress away from sectarian conflict, Muslims (and some Christians) may see as simply decadence, a weakening of faith and the loss of conviction.

There is here a question of what we mean when we speak of things like Christianity, Islam and secularism. There are more than a billion Christians and more than a billion Muslims and uncountable secularists who mix all things. It is difficult to decide what you mean when you say any of these words and easy to claim that anyone else's meaning is (or is not) the right one. There is a built-in indeterminacy in our use of language that allows us to shift responsibility for actions in Paris away from a religion to a minor strand in a religion, or to the actions of only those who pulled the trigger. This is the universal problem of secularism, which eschews stereotyping. It leaves unclear who is to be held responsible for what. By devolving all responsibility on the individual, secularism tends to absolve nations and religions from responsibility.

This is not necessarily wrong, but it creates a tremendous practical problem. If no one but the gunmen and their immediate supporters are responsible for the action, and all others who share their faith are guiltless, you have made a defensible moral judgment. But as a practical matter, you have paralyzed your ability to defend yourselves. It is impossible to defend against random violence and impermissible to impose collective responsibility. As Europe has been for so long, its moral complexity has posed for it a problem it cannot easily solve. Not all Muslims — not even most Muslims — are responsible for this. But all who committed these acts were Muslims claiming to speak for Muslims. One might say this is a Muslim problem and then hold the Muslims responsible for solving it. But what happens if they don't? And so the moral debate spins endlessly.

This dilemma is compounded by Europe's hidden secret: The Europeans do not see Muslims from North Africa or Turkey as Europeans, nor do they intend to allow them to be Europeans. The European solution to their isolation is the concept of multiculturalism — on the surface a most liberal notion, and in practice, a movement for both cultural fragmentation and ghettoization. But behind this there is another problem, and it is also geopolitical. I say in Flashpoints that:

Multiculturalism and the entire immigrant enterprise faced another challenge. Europe was crowded. Unlike the United States, it didn't have the room to incorporate millions of immigrants — certainly not on a permanent basis. Even with population numbers slowly declining, the increase in population, particularly in the more populous countries, was difficult to manage. The doctrine of multiculturalism naturally encouraged a degree of separatism. Culture implies a desire to live with your own people. Given the economic status of immigrants the world over, the inevitable exclusion that is perhaps unintentionally incorporated in multiculturalism and the desire of like to live with like, the Muslims found themselves living in extraordinarily crowded and squalid conditions. All around Paris there are high-rise apartment buildings housing and separating Muslims from the French, who live elsewhere.

These killings have nothing to do with poverty, of course. Newly arrived immigrants are always poor. That's why they immigrate. And until they learn the language and customs of their new homes, they are always ghettoized and alien. It is the next generation that flows into the dominant culture. But the dirty secret of multiculturalism was that its consequence was to perpetuate Muslim isolation. And it was not the intention of Muslims to become Europeans, even if they could. They came to make money, not become French. The shallowness of the European postwar values system thereby becomes the horror show that occurred in Paris last week.

The Role of Ideology
But while the Europeans have particular issues with Islam, and have had them for more than 1,000 years, there is a more generalizable problem. Christianity has been sapped of its evangelical zeal and no longer uses the sword to kill and convert its enemies. At least parts of Islam retain that zeal. And saying that not all Muslims share this vision does not solve the problem. Enough Muslims share that fervency to endanger the lives of those they despise, and this tendency toward violence cannot be tolerated by either their Western targets or by Muslims who refuse to subscribe to a jihadist ideology. And there is no way to distinguish those who might kill from those who won't. The Muslim community might be able to make this distinction, but a 25-year-old European or American policeman cannot. And the Muslims either can't or won't police themselves. Therefore, we are left in a state of war. French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has called this a war on radical Islam. If only they wore uniforms or bore distinctive birthmarks, then fighting only the radical Islamists would not be a problem. But Valls' distinctions notwithstanding, the world can either accept periodic attacks, or see the entire Muslim community as a potential threat until proven otherwise. These are terrible choices, but history is filled with them. Calling for a war on radical Islamists is like calling for war on the followers of Jean-Paul Sartre. Exactly what do they look like?

The European inability to come to terms with the reality it has created for itself in this and other matters does not preclude the realization that wars involving troops are occurring in many Muslim countries. The situation is complex, and morality is merely another weapon for proving the other guilty and oneself guiltless. The geopolitical dimensions of Islam's relationship with Europe, or India, or Thailand, or the United States, do not yield to moralizing.

Something must be done. I don't know what needs to be done, but I suspect I know what is coming. First, if it is true that Islam is merely responding to crimes against it, those crimes are not new and certainly didn't originate in the creation of Israel, the invasion of Iraq or recent events. This has been going on far longer than that. For instance, the Assassins were a secret Islamic order to make war on individuals they saw as Muslim heretics. There is nothing new in what is going on, and it will not end if peace comes to Iraq, Muslims occupy Kashmir or Israel is destroyed. Nor is secularism about to sweep the Islamic world. The Arab Spring was a Western fantasy that the collapse of communism in 1989 was repeating itself in the Islamic world with the same results. There are certainly Muslim liberals and secularists. However, they do not control events — no single group does — and it is the events, not the theory, that shape our lives.

Europe's sense of nation is rooted in shared history, language, ethnicity and yes, in Christianity or its heir, secularism. Europe has no concept of the nation except for these things, and Muslims share in none of them. It is difficult to imagine another outcome save for another round of ghettoization and deportation. This is repulsive to the European sensibility now, but certainly not alien to European history. Unable to distinguish radical Muslims from other Muslims, Europe will increasingly and unintentionally move in this direction.

Paradoxically, this will be exactly what the radical Muslims want because it will strengthen their position in the Islamic world in general, and North Africa and Turkey in particular. But the alternative to not strengthening the radical Islamists is living with the threat of death if they are offended. And that is not going to be endured in Europe.

Perhaps a magic device will be found that will enable us to read the minds of people to determine what their ideology actually is. But given the offense many in the West have taken to governments reading emails, I doubt that they would allow this, particularly a few months from now when the murders and murderers are forgotten, and Europeans will convince themselves that the security apparatus is simply trying to oppress everyone. And of course, never minimize the oppressive potential of security forces.

The United States is different in this sense. It is an artificial regime, not a natural one. It was invented by our founders on certain principles and is open to anyone who embraces those principles. Europe's nationalism is romantic, naturalistic. It depends on bonds that stretch back through time and cannot be easily broken. But the idea of shared principles other than their own is offensive to the religious everywhere, and at this moment in history, this aversion is most commonly present among Muslims. This is a truth that must be faced.

The Mediterranean borderland was a place of conflict well before Christianity and Islam existed. It will remain a place of conflict even if both lose their vigorous love of their own beliefs. It is an illusion to believe that conflicts rooted in geography can be abolished. It is also a mistake to be so philosophical as to disengage from the human fear of being killed at your desk for your ideas. We are entering a place that has no solutions. Such a place does have decisions, and all of the choices will be bad. What has to be done will be done, and those who refused to make choices will see themselves as more moral than those who did. There is a war, and like all wars, this one is very different from the last in the way it is prosecuted. But it is war nonetheless, and denying that is denying the obvious.

It's a fine article in some ways it is pointing out the real issues in the Muslim diaspora in Europe. But what it does not do is find a solution, or at least a convenient place for the status quo to be, that's inviting a lot of different solutions, a seemingly endless list of imperfect thoughts.

Now, what this article has not done correctly, is identify the muslim and of things for what it actually is. The global rise of Islamic extremism is directly related to the Middle East politics. DIRECTLY, and the radicalism in Europe is directly related to the Iraq and Afghanistan war.

Here are a few things you ought to research to understand modern day Islamic extremism. This author is wrong.
Research Islamic modernsim in the 19th century, the coming of colonialism and how it brought about the rise of Islamism, the mistakes and exit of colonialism and how it gave rise to a series of secular dictators alongside Islamists. The shock and awe change of the 1980's that saw the rise of the mujahideen in Afghanistan, hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah in Lebannon, hama uprising in Syria, revival of the Muslim Brotherhood across these counties. Then observe the Arab spring. And please note the societal factors and changes throughout.

You will soon very easily become a Middle East export, more of an expert than most western 'analysts'.
 
Let me give you a small piece of information
In 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan was 22% & now its 1.5%

Ever heard of the saying "little bit of knowledge can hurt" well it is so true in your case. First can you give me the links to prove your figures. Second can you go to Indian Punjab and see how many Muslims' are left there? They all were either killed or moved west in 1947 whilst the same thing happened inside Pakistan. Have you forgotten about the mass movement of populations in 1947?

As regards Europe there are millions of Indian's moving there as well and trust me most Indian's stick more out in Europe then lot of the muslim's who are from European hinterland like Turkey, Levantine, North Africa.

Then the same for Australian's. If you think they don't like Muslim's don't think they love the Indian's either . Enjoy.....


That evening I bet this Indian guy went on to complain about "Muslim immigrants and Muslims not fitting in"
 

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