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India must take a ‘free Tibet’ stand

By By Nitish Sengupta
Oct 22 2009
The recent report about China wanting to build a dam to divert water from the Brahmaputra is the latest in a series of anti-India steps that China has taken in the last two-three years. And one that should give India reason for serious introspection. Beijing’s somewhat childish behaviour over Arunachal Pradesh lately should serve as an appropriate reminder of our own blunders on Tibet and related boundary issue six decades ago.

We also need to take a relook at China’s so-called claim of sovereignty over Tibet. On closer scrutiny, these appear to be nothing more than imperialist claims, like Britain’s over Hong Kong and Gibraltar, which cease to have validity in a post-colonial world. The plain fact is that China, as an imperial power, laid claim over Tibet as a colony. The argument about Tibet ethnically being a part of China is incorrect and lacks historical support.

The origin of China’s claim over Tibet goes back to a dynastic marriage over 1,500 years ago, when the Tibetan king Songsten Gampo married princess Wen Cheng of the Tang dynasty. The marriage in itself did not mean that Tibet was incorporated into China at that time, but China, from this point of time, claimed that Tibet was a part of “greater China”. The Tibetans, and in particular the government-in-exile headed by the Dalai Lama based in Dharamsala, has never accepted this untenable claim by the Chinese government. According to them, Tibet has always enjoyed de facto independence. After Songsten Gampo, the Tibetans and the Chinese fought many times and the Tibetans defeated the Chinese on at least two occasions.

After the rise of the Dalai Lama, the relationship between the two countries was politico-religious, resembling the relationship between the Pope and the Holy Roman Emperor in Europe. Chinese emperors acted as Tibet’s protectors. In 1911, when the nationalists overthrew the Quing dynasty, the 13th Dalai Lama expelled all Manchu and Chinese officials from Tibet and announced Tibet’s independence (1913). From 1913 to 1951, Tibet was completely independent.

The Simla Agreement of 1914 was the result of a conference attended by representatives of Tibetan, Chinese and British-Indian governments. There is no evidence that the Tibetans acknowledged the Chinese claim over them. The Chinese and the Tibetan delegates, along with the Indian delegates, signed the draft treaty separately. But, thereafter, although both British-India and Tibet formally endorsed this treaty, the Chinese government in Beijing did not do it on account of the fact that the Chinese imperial government got progressively weakened and was eventually overthrown by San Yat Sen in 1911. It is not correct to say that the government in Beijing refused to endorse the treaty as they had objections to its provisions. The Tibetans have always maintained that Tibet enjoyed de facto independence till 1950. It was after the Communist takeover of China under Mao Zedong that Radio Peking started announcing that Tibet was a part of China and that the Chinese government was determined to restore Tibet to a “unified China”. Soon after that the People’s Liberation Army of China invaded Tibet. The Dalai Lama appealed to America, Britain, India and Nepal for help and guidance. The British advised the Dalai Lama to negotiate with the Chinese and reach an arrangement suitable to both. However, the Indian government bent over backwards in acknowledging Tibet as a part of China and advised the Dalai Lama to accept this status.

Delhi went out of its way in withdrawing the Indian Army contingents stationed in Lhasa and Gyantse, under the 1914 treaty. The government of Tibet had no choice then but to sign the infamous 17-point agreement, and agreeing to Tibet being incorporated into the communist regime. The very first point of the agreement was: “The Tibetan people shall return to the big family of the motherland — the People’s Republic of China”.

Tibetans now became one amongst the 55 ethnic minorities of China. Further, China distributed Tibetan territories among different Chinese provinces like Sichuan, Yunan and Gensu, leaving only the so-called Tibetan Autonomous Region as Tibet. Today, the Han settlers outnumber ethnic Tibetans in Tibet proper. China has militarised Tibet and located military bases along the Indo-Tibetan border in a clear policy to intimidate India.

It is forgotten by Indians of the present generation that Indians did not need a passport or visa to visit any part of Tibet for business or tourism until the early 50s. It was only after China’s occupation that they insisted that Indians carry valid travel documents for entering Tibet. It should also be pointed out that traditionally the border between British-India and Tibet was notional rather than political or geographical. And when, for the first time, the Chinese attempted to physically mark the border, this started a process of unending border disputes.

Meanwhile, the flight of the Dalai Lama in 1959 complicated matters. The Dalai Lama is respected widely in the border areas and Tawang is no exception. Chinese claims over Arunachal Pradesh are only on the strength of the attachment of the people living there to the Dalai Lama and his Tibet. The moment the Dalai Lama is no longer in Lhasa that attachment will disappear.

For India, the time has come to engage in real politics. New Delhi should consider retracing steps and reviving the case for Tibet’s complete autonomy and for the withdrawal of the Chinese military forces from Tibet. Once India takes this stand, there will be support for it in the UN as well. After all, during the days of Hindi-Chini bhai bhai, China did not oppose India’s case for Jammu and Kashmir, but the moment China became friendly with Pakistan and border problems erupted between China and India, China dumped India’s case without any hesitation and supported Pakistan’s claim over Kashmir. It was a clear volte-face. So there are good international precedents for India to re-open the Tibetan question.

Nitish Sengupta, an academic and author, is a
former Member of Parliament and a former secretary to the Government of India.

India must take a ?free Tibet? stand
 
Guess so. Better do this now, the sooner the better.

But, has India grown the yellow guts yet? Haven’t even find the gene to copy from? :lol:

BTW, where is the star chart?
 
India should take the dispute so deep in to Tibetian landscape that china would forget south Tibbet aka AP for india, and concentrate more on Tibet proper rather than fancy its chances in AP,india.
 
Better Sooner than Later.

Tibet is used to be a free country for centuries.Since when Tibet became a part of China? It is only after the invasion of tibet with over 40,000 troops against an odd 8000 troops in 1950.
Still what I was impressed is that the odd 8000 inflicted a casuality count of over 10,000.Jai HO.

India better raise the issue at the world stage before the few living tibetans loose thier life against the so called migration of Han chinese and their brutal behaviour.
 
India should revive the statement that Tibet as integral part of China and support Tibetan independence.
India should start issuing separate visas to the Tibetans and remind china that it is not 1962 after all China has no guts to go for a full scale war which is disaster for both the countries.
 
Better Sooner than Later.

Tibet is used to be a free country for centuries.Since when Tibet became a part of China? It is only after the invasion of tibet with over 40,000 troops against an odd 8000 troops in 1950.
Still what I was impressed is that the odd 8000 inflicted a casuality count of over 10,000.Jai HO.

India better raise the issue at the world stage before the few living tibetans loose thier life against the so called migration of Han chinese and their brutal behaviour.

Here we go again. "India" never existed as a 'country' until an odd 62 years or so ago. In fact it still ISN'T a country.... everywhere there is rebellion, civil war, regionalism.

Heed this wise advice: "Don't be too greedy or you'll end up losing EVERYTHING!" :agree:
 
Better Sooner than Later.

Tibet is used to be a free country for centuries.Since when Tibet became a part of China? It is only after the invasion of tibet with over 40,000 troops against an odd 8000 troops in 1950.
Still what I was impressed is that the odd 8000 inflicted a casuality count of over 10,000.Jai HO.

India better raise the issue at the world stage before the few living tibetans loose thier life against the so called migration of Han chinese and their brutal behaviour.

well, maybe since the title "Dalai Lama" was granted by the central government. and the 14th Dalai Lama was entitled by Zhang Khai Shei, the president of Republic China, no wonder he show no loyalty to PRC.

PS: can any one answer my 2 questions.
1) how Dalai Lama is choosen?
2) who now can entitle the 15th Dalai Lama? Taiwan or PRC?
 
Here we go again. "India" never existed as a 'country' until an odd 62 years or so ago. In fact it still ISN'T a country.... everywhere there is rebellion, civil war, regionalism.

Heed this wise advice: "Don't be too greedy or you'll end up losing EVERYTHING!" :agree:

Exactly what I'd advise Hu Phu Phu :rofl::rofl:
 
Here we go again. "India" never existed as a 'country' until an odd 62 years or so ago. In fact it still ISN'T a country.... everywhere there is rebellion, civil war, regionalism.

Heed this wise advice: "Don't be too greedy or you'll end up losing EVERYTHING!" :agree:

Man, for some reason this guy is reading my mind .He is putting everything in ditto into words with only a single mistake.Since he was scared to death of putting China as China, he is using India.

Yeah that odd 62 years ago China used to appear like a bare naked body without Tibet and Xinxiang. Later on it started waging wars on the military less and buddhist countries and annexed their territories.

But one thing which you said is absolutely correct. i.e India didnt used to be in existence that odd 62 years ago.Instead it used to be existed as Bharat or Bharatavarsha. Which actually includes all the landmass from the far western Afghanistan to today far eastern Malaysia.
since you people dont like India and the land it currently holds today, lets roll back to the good old days.And let Bharat start annexing all its previous territories.
P.S:The much better you take, the more it means.To improve your historical abilities go read some books.
 
Better Sooner than Later.

Tibet is used to be a free country for centuries.Since when Tibet became a part of China? It is only after the invasion of tibet with over 40,000 troops against an odd 8000 troops in 1950.
Still what I was impressed is that the odd 8000 inflicted a casuality count of over 10,000.Jai HO.

India better raise the issue at the world stage before the few living tibetans loose thier life against the so called migration of Han chinese and their brutal behaviour.

the two countries are big enough to deter any foreign powers from interfering...these boundary disputes would have to solved mutually one way or the other...
may good wisdom prevail over xtra-sized cojones..
 
Man, for some reason this guy is reading my mind .He is putting everything in ditto into words with only a single mistake.Since he was scared to death of putting China as China, he is using India.

Yeah that odd 62 years ago China used to appear like a bare naked body without Tibet and Xinxiang. Later on it started waging wars on the military less and buddhist countries and annexed their territories.

But one thing which you said is absolutely correct. i.e India didnt used to be in existence that odd 62 years ago.Instead it used to be existed as Bharat or Bharatavarsha. Which actually includes all the landmass from the far western Afghanistan to today far eastern Malaysia.
since you people dont like India and the land it currently holds today, lets roll back to the good old days.And let Bharat start annexing all its previous territories.
P.S:The much better you take, the more it means.To improve your historical abilities go read some books.

Akhand Bharat exposed! :sniper:
 
Here we go again. "India" never existed as a 'country' until an odd 62 years or so ago.

Err newsflash!! The people's republic of China didn't exist 62 years ago either

In fact it still ISN'T a country.... everywhere there is rebellion, civil war, regionalism.

:lol: You're the one to talk. You face separatism from Tibet, social unrest where ethnic minorities are dominant, and a civil war with Taiwan.

Heed this wise advice: "Don't be too greedy or you'll end up losing EVERYTHING!" :agree:

Heed some advice. Think before you type.
 
Here we go again. "India" never existed as a 'country' until an odd 62 years or so ago. In fact it still ISN'T a country.... everywhere there is rebellion, civil war, regionalism.

Heed this wise advice: "Don't be too greedy or you'll end up losing EVERYTHING!" :agree:

Sino....You're getting overty delusional with your rhetoric.....Your Anti-India rants are laughable to say the least

Lets not forget that not only has India existed for over 5000 years, but has also been documented by ancient international travellers including the Chinese.....So much so that the unjustly "revered" Christopher Columbus in his quest for India ended up discovering the US...the sole Hyperpower of the world.....
Can you argue against why the native Americans are called "Red Indians".

And was there anything called the People's Republic of China before the last 100 years or so....

The land that we live on (Indians +Pakistani+BD) was historically called India....any attempts to evade the same is just denying your ancestry.....Looks like you hate India more than you love your ancestors enough to disown them.....Major identity crisis my friend!!!
 
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Akhand Bharat exposed! :sniper:

Oh why not ? if there could be one china ?

By the way india existed since thousands of years ago. May be as independent states. this was not uncommon for big countries. India existed even if under repeated invasion of foreigners, grew smaller but still exists. Lost many land for promoting freedon to people who wanted to live seperately. When did it complain ? it doesn't want do military or cultural invasion like big brother china.
 

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