India's IT Sector Employment Dwarfed By Agriculture and Textiles

[IND151]

That's a good news,Agriculture is the backbone of India,
IT may loose demand,But Agriculture will never coz people can't live without food
yes but numbers of people dependent on agriculture will may be reduced.in future corporate sector will may be involved in agricultural sector in India.it means farm mechanization!

 

[RiazHaq]

The key is to move people from areas like agriculture to manufacturing and services industry while keeping the total output of agri same on higher. Just extrapolating from Haq's numbers,

Country..Agriculture(per capital GDP)...Textiles...Other Mfg.....Services

India........ 820.82 ......... 1,231.22 ..... 10,993.07 ........... 7,360.58

Pakistan...... 1,222.26 ........ 1,711.17 ...... 5,775.19 ........... 3,647.49

This shows that per capita GDP in Manufacturing and Services sectors in India is almost double of that in Pakistan clearly highlighting the avenues that India should target for growth and work force migration, where as in areas of Agriculture and Textiles, its higher in Pakistan.

I agree and I think you are pretty close in terms of per capita output in various sectors.

Assuming India's PPP GDP of $3.75 trillion (population 1.2 billion) and Pakistan's $450 billion (population 175 million), here is what I calculated in terms of per capita GDP in different sectors of the economy:

India vs. Pakistan:

Agriculture: ($833 vs. $1,225)

Textiles: ($1,242 vs. $1714)

Non-Textile Mfg ($11,155 vs $5,785)

Services ($7,246 vs $3,654)

It shows that Indians in manufacturing and services sectors add more value and produce higher value goods and services than their Pakistan counterparts.

The income range in India is much wider from $883 to $11, 155 accounting for the much bigger rich-poor gap relative to Pakistan's range from $1225 to $5,785.

Haq's Musings: Agriculture and Textiles Employ Most Indians and Pakistanis

 

[prototype]

service industry does not provide as much as employment as agriculture or textile but look at the business its generate,more than 450 billion in exports compared to some $17 billion in textiles.

moreover by 2020,Pharmaceutics will b the biggest contributer to the Indian manufacture sector rather than textiles.

 

[RiazHaq]

service industry does not provide as much as employment as agriculture or textile but look at the business its generate,more than 450 billion in exports compared to some $17 billion in textiles.

moreover by 2020,Pharmaceutics will b the biggest contributer to the Indian manufacture sector rather than textiles.

Your estimate of $450 billion is a fantasy. The total Indian exports will add up to about $200 billion this year...with a huge trade deficit.

Besides, there is tremendous potential in agriculture as demonstrated by Brazil in recent years.


Here's the transcript of a recent NPR radio show on how Brazil has emerged as a major exporter of food:

Next we're going to explore how Brazil became an agricultural superpower. It is the world's biggest exporter of beef, poultry, orange juice and sugar cane. And it also supplies a quarter of the worlds soybeans. The credit goes in part to Brazilian scientists who've been working since the 1970s to make what was once an agricultural wasteland bloom.

And Brazil, which elects a new leader Sunday, promises to become even more productive in years to come. NPR's Juan Forero has the story from Brazils grain belt.

JUAN FORERO: Slowly, a powerful New Holland harvester advances over rolling hills here in Brazils dry, hot savannah, the Cerrado. In the cab is farm worker Luiz Tavares, who marvels as he cuts through golden stalks of wheat.

Mr. LUIZ TAVARES: (Foreign language spoken)

FORERO: This is a wheat thats resistant to plagues, he says, a wheat that has an especially high yield and is excellent for flour. Its wheat that Brazilian scientists created for this tropical climate and acidic soil. Paulo Kramer is the owner of this farm and he gives the credit to Embrapa, the government-run agricultural research institute.

Mr. PAULO KRAMER: (Foreign language spoken)

FORERO: When we started planting here, he said, we never thought wed be planting wheat. Wheats a cold-climate crop, Kramer said, usually found in places like Iowa or Argentina.

Barely two generations ago, many considered this 1,000-mile swath of low-lying trees and scrubland good only for raising cattle. The military government that ruled Brazil then decided, with unusual foresight, to create Embrapa. The head of its international wing is Francisco Souza, a tropical seed expert.

Mr. FRANCISCO SOUZA (Embrapa): Back in the '70s, Brazil imported most of the food. We had food crisis, the government at that time decided to really invest in modern agriculture.

FORERO: The nationwide system of laboratories that made up Embrapa was entrusted with improving Brazils soils. They also work on new crop varieties and find more efficient ways to fatten up cattle and hogs. Embrapa started by developing its know-how. And it did that by sending hundreds of young scientists to earn their doctorates in American universities. Among them was Thomaz Rein.

(Soundbite of footsteps)

Rein, a soil scientist educated at Cornell University, walks through experimental fields of sugar cane and beans. He stops in a stand of corn, the leaves of which look yellow and easily crumble in his hands.

Dr. THOMAZ REIN (Soil Scientist): So you see here the bottom leaves are necrotic, already dry, at this time, so this is a sign of nitrogen deficiency.

FORERO: The corn with the greener leaves, he said, was inoculated with nitrogen-fixing bacteria. Such is the work of Embrapa scientists trying to resolve problems particular to Brazil.

Mr. REIN: So the soil are very poor in terms of nutrients that are required by the plant like phosphorus, calcium, potassium, and what are called also micronutrients. And also the soil are very acid.

FORERO: The soil in the Cerrado, in fact, is so naturally toxic that roots cant grow well. Embrapa added just the right mixture of limestone and other nutrients to make the soil fertile.�And Rein said scientists determined that gypsum helped correct the acidity, permitting roots to reach deep for water.

Embrapas advances are important well beyond Brazil - in the tropical countries of Africa, which struggle to feed their people. As wind whips through a test field, Rein said Embrapa continues to tinker.

Some of its most recent advancements come with wheat. Wheat wont ever become a big export for Brazil, Rein said. But Embrapa is always looking to find ways for all crops to bloom.



Scientists Help Make Brazil An Agriculture Dynamo : NPR

 

[Trisonics]

The problem with India's agriculture is the large difference between what a farmer earns to what the end consumer pays. For example, a farmer would sell coconuts for about 1-3rs/coconut or even lesser but the end consumer pays about 15-20 Rs. The shop keeper claims he makes about 1-2 Rs profit. All the money is made by the middle traders who own the business for generations.

Its time the bigger players in the private industries step up and buy directly from the farmers!

Agriculture will slowly become one of the biggest profit making industries soon for the Indian entrepreneur. I know at least a couple of my friends who spoke about opening software companies but eventually settled to become farmers. They target farmers and buy crops from them at a fair price and sell them in the cities bypassing the local traders. They are helping farmers improve the age old methods of farming to get a higher crop. This is one industry that is very nascent to the Indian entrepreneur, once the realize the potential, we should see a lot more money and effort pouring in...

 

[kak1978]

The problem with India's agriculture is the large difference between what a farmer earns to what the end consumer pays. For example, a farmer would sell coconuts for about 1-3rs/coconut or even lesser but the end consumer pays about 15-20 Rs. The shop keeper claims he makes about 1-2 Rs profit. All the money is made by the middle traders who own the business for generations.

Its time the bigger players in the private industries step up and buy directly from the farmers!

Agriculture will slowly become one of the biggest profit making industries soon for the Indian entrepreneur. I know at least a couple of my friends who spoke about opening software companies but eventually settled to become farmers. They target farmers and buy crops from them at a fair price and sell them in the cities bypassing the local traders. They are helping farmers improve the age old methods of farming to get a higher crop. This is one industry that is very nascent to the Indian entrepreneur, once the realize the potential, we should see a lot more money and effort pouring in...

Yes, private sector is already coming to the aid of the farmers. See below. This is like a company that makes soaps and oil (Wipro) entering into tech and producing one of the largest software company except it is the other way now, Barati(a telecom gaint) entering agriculture. More will follow soon.

Bharti Wal-Mart to enroll 35,000 farmers
Bharti Wal-Mart plans to open its next cash-and-carry store in 45 days in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh

New Delhi: Bharti Wal-Mart Pvt. Ltd, the 50:50 wholesale retailing joint venture between Wal-Mart Stores Inc. of the US and India’s Bharti Enterprises Ltd, plans to enlist about 35,000 farmers in the next 5-year to source fresh produce as it opens more stores.
Currently, Bharti Wal-Mart sources fruits and vegetables from more than 600 farmers in Punjab and other states. Last week, it opened its fourth Best Price Modern Wholesale store in Kota in Rajasthan—its first outside Punjab, where it debuted in Amritsar in May 2009.
Bharti Wal-Mart plans to open its next cash-and-carry store in 45 days in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.’s president and chief executive Mike Duke said the joint venture’s sourcing programme will benefit about 1 million farmers and farm workers by 2015.
Duke is on a visit to India to lobby with the Indian government to open the multi-brand retail sector to foreign direct investment (FDI).
“If India opens foreign direct investment, we can contribute much more,” Duke told a conference organized by the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry. Liberalizing the sector will be a “huge opportunity for organized retailers like Wal-Mart, and above all for India,” he added.
At present, India allows foreign retailers like Wal-Mart, Carrefour SA and Tesco Plc to invest only in wholesale retail entities that do not sell to consumers directly.
Small traders do not want FDI in retail as they fear this would hurt their business. However, foreign retailers see growth coming from selling multi-brand products to India’s expanding middle class. Hoping to be ready when India opens up the sector, some of the world’s top companies, including Wal-Mart, Tesco and Carrefour, have either announced or already opened wholesale stores.
Duke said the opening up of the sector will benefit consumers as well as farmers and other suppliers and the economy in general. He said Wal-Mart will provide expertise and technology to farmers and bring efficiency to the supply chain.
Carrefour, which is planning to open its first cash-and-carry store in New Delhi, is also working with more than 100 farmers in two villages in Delhi and Haryana to source fresh produce. Germany’s Metro AG purchases fresh produce from nearly 2,000 farmers in various parts of India to feed its five wholesale stores.

Bharti Wal-Mart to enroll 35,000 farmers - Corporate News - livemint.com

 

[RiazHaq]

Yes, private sector is already coming to the aid of the farmers. See below. This is like a company that makes soaps and oil (Wipro) entering into tech and producing one of the largest software company except it is the other way now, Barati(a telecom gaint) entering agriculture. More will follow soon.

Bharti Wal-Mart to enroll 35,000 farmers
Bharti Wal-Mart plans to open its next cash-and-carry store in 45 days in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh

New Delhi: Bharti Wal-Mart Pvt. Ltd, the 50:50 wholesale retailing joint venture between Wal-Mart Stores Inc. of the US and India’s Bharti Enterprises Ltd, plans to enlist about 35,000 farmers in the next 5-year to source fresh produce as it opens more stores.
Currently, Bharti Wal-Mart sources fruits and vegetables from more than 600 farmers in Punjab and other states. Last week, it opened its fourth Best Price Modern Wholesale store in Kota in Rajasthan—its first outside Punjab, where it debuted in Amritsar in May 2009.
Bharti Wal-Mart plans to open its next cash-and-carry store in 45 days in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.’s president and chief executive Mike Duke said the joint venture’s sourcing programme will benefit about 1 million farmers and farm workers by 2015.
Duke is on a visit to India to lobby with the Indian government to open the multi-brand retail sector to foreign direct investment (FDI).
“If India opens foreign direct investment, we can contribute much more,” Duke told a conference organized by the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry. Liberalizing the sector will be a “huge opportunity for organized retailers like Wal-Mart, and above all for India,” he added.
At present, India allows foreign retailers like Wal-Mart, Carrefour SA and Tesco Plc to invest only in wholesale retail entities that do not sell to consumers directly.
Small traders do not want FDI in retail as they fear this would hurt their business. However, foreign retailers see growth coming from selling multi-brand products to India’s expanding middle class. Hoping to be ready when India opens up the sector, some of the world’s top companies, including Wal-Mart, Tesco and Carrefour, have either announced or already opened wholesale stores.
Duke said the opening up of the sector will benefit consumers as well as farmers and other suppliers and the economy in general. He said Wal-Mart will provide expertise and technology to farmers and bring efficiency to the supply chain.
Carrefour, which is planning to open its first cash-and-carry store in New Delhi, is also working with more than 100 farmers in two villages in Delhi and Haryana to source fresh produce. Germany’s Metro AG purchases fresh produce from nearly 2,000 farmers in various parts of India to feed its five wholesale stores.

Bharti Wal-Mart to enroll 35,000 farmers - Corporate News - livemint.com

Walmart's entry is not necessarily good news for suppliers and producers. Walmart is known to use its power as a bulk purchaser to pay extremely low prices to its suppliers.

And it'll hit the small retailers hard by putting many of them out of business.

 

[Peacefulll]

Walmart's entry is not necessarily good news for suppliers and producers. Walmart is known to use its power as a bulk purchaser to pay extremely low prices to its suppliers.

And it'll hit the small retailers hard by putting many of them out of business.

This Wal-Mart scaremongering is so silly. India already has huge domestic giants in retail such as Reliance Fresh, Big Bazaar (Future group), and many more besides. I ask all the Wal-Mart scaremongers, how is it that Reliance and others are accepted but not Wal-Mart?

Let Wal-Mart and Target come in, let India allow 100% FDI in retail. Let the giant MNCs like Wal-Mart come and built the storage, warehousing, logistics and distribution infrastructure to run their businesses. Let them provide competition to the domestic retailers like Reliance and Big Bazaar. The consumer is the biggest beneficiary.

There is enough room in India for all of them, and all the small retailers as well. I suggest that Pakistan also must do the same thing, allow 100% FDI in retail.

 

[Trisonics]

Walmart's entry is not necessarily good news for suppliers and producers. Walmart is known to use its power as a bulk purchaser to pay extremely low prices to its suppliers.

And it'll hit the small retailers hard by putting many of them out of business.

That is not correct. India is not the US. Walmart can never take over the scores of convenient stores located at the end of every street. They are in India for almost a decade (in Bangalore) and continue to plan and evolve a new strategy. Metro (from Germany??) has Sam's club like super stores in most of the metros already. If any company can make a mark it has to be Reliance, they have started to open smaller shops all across the metros. Indian cigarette giant ITC is also believed to be getting into this business.

 

[kak1978]

Walmart's entry is not necessarily good news for suppliers and producers. Walmart is known to use its power as a bulk purchaser to pay extremely low prices to its suppliers.

And it'll hit the small retailers hard by putting many of them out of business.

The only people that WalMart like giant retail stores is bad for are the middle men. These stores will have efficient supply chains. The small retailers can be resellers of products from these giant stores. Customer will get a fair/ competitive pricing. Not to mention the employment opportunities to many.

 

[RiazHaq]

Whys is India not a scientific power, asks an Op Ed in The Hindu:

.....It is the robustness of scientific research and innovation that sets apart great powers from the mediocre ones.

We have good scientists, but why has India not produced outstanding scientists who make path-breaking discoveries that will make the world sit up and take notice? Should we continue to be satisfied with tweaking borrowed technologies? Is reverse engineering an innovative phenomenon?

All debates about scientific research inevitably end up zeroing in on the deficiencies of our educational system as the root cause of the abysmal record in scientific research. This is only part of the story.

A nation's culture — belief systems, values, attitudes — plays a significant role in determining the quality of scientific research. The Oriental attitudes differ from the Occidental values in many respects. Asian societies are basically collectivist, that is, the collective good of society ranks higher than individual happiness and achievements. People do not ask what they can do for their country; they are always asking what the country will do for them. They look up to the state for guidance, leadership and direction. There is no burning individual ambition to excel and achieve something new.

In the West, individuals try to achieve their potential through their own efforts, aided and facilitated by enabling laws and institutions. Self-reliance is the key objective of life. An independent life requires a free and questioning mindset that takes nothing for granted and constantly challenges conventional wisdom. Children are encouraged to push the frontiers of knowledge by self-examination and open-minded enquiry. It is only a sceptical and dissenting mind that often thinks out of the box to explore new vistas of knowledge.

Collectivism promotes conformism and deference to authority whether it is parents, elders, teachers or the government. It is heresy to question established values and customs.

We pass on our passivity and uncritical attitudes to our children. No wonder, the educational system encourages rote learning and unquestioning acceptance of what is taught in the classrooms and stated in the textbooks. How can we expect our children to suddenly develop an enquiring and inquisitive attitude when they have been brought up in a milieu that discourages ‘disruptive' thoughts?

India and China were once advanced nations before foreign rule drained their resources and sapped their willpower and scientific traditions. Cultures tend to become conservative and defensive when subjected to long spells of colonial exploitation.

Indians are great believers in destiny. But our tradition does not frown upon free will and individual excellence. We must realise that our ability for free action remains unhampered despite what destiny may hold in store for us.
Fear of failure

Another flaw in our culture that prevents individual excellence is the fear of failure. The stigma associated with failure makes our children risk-averse while choosing their courses and careers.

Scientific research is a long-drawn war on received wisdom that requires many battles before it can be won. Science was not built in a day. Some of the battles can end in defeat. In the West, they celebrate failure as a stepping stone to success.

Educational reforms must be preceded by mental deconditioning of parents, teachers, educationists and policymakers — throwing away the cobwebs of uncritical submissiveness to conventional knowledge. Let us bring up a generation that will not hesitate to ask inconvenient questions. This generation will be the torch-bearer of a scientific revolution that will unleash cutting-edge research to make the Nobel Prize committee sit up and take notice....

The Hindu : Opinion / Open Page : Why India is not a great scientific power

 

[DarK-LorD]

Here is a quick comparison of different sectors of the economy in India and Pakistan in terms of employment and GDP contribution:

Country..Agriculture(emp/GDP)...Textiles...Other Mfg.....Services

India........60%/16% .........10%/4%.....7%/25%...........23%/55%

Pakistan......42%/20%........12%/8%......8%/18%...........38%/54%

Haq's Musings: Agriculture and Textiles Employ Most Indians and Pakistanis

Looks like Indian labor is more efficient.
7% of India's industrial manpower contributes to 25% of GDP.
23% of India's services manpower contributes to 55% of GDP.