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Hi..

I don't know whether we can discuss other forums here or not, but i visited some pakistani defense forums, and all the pakistani members there, including senior military personnel, boast that during Israel-Arab war in 1965 or some year, Pakistani Air Force sent its jets to help the Arabs. And Israel Air Force was defeated by PAF, and PAF did not lose a single jet, and, Israel lost many(almost all).

I highly doubt that that happened.

Can somebody here tell me that what actually was the situation. Did it really happen, because some think tank members and military men are saying this.


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The story is true, except that it was the Israeli Air Force that did all the "winning". Israel lost around 20 jets while eliminating over 400 of it's enemies. In combat, any story that involves no losses should immediately raise a red flag.


For a more current evaluation of the IAF, look up the more recent war games they had with the US Navy.

You are referringto the the June 1967 Six Day War. During the first early hours of the war, Israel eliminated the Air Forces of most of it's Arab neighbors.

One of the many accounts ofthat first day of battle:

The Six-Day War started with a far-reaching air attack, code named “Moked”, to shatter the Arab air forces while their aircraft were still on the ground. The attack was planned even before General Mordechai (Moti) Hod, had been appointed Air Force Commander. The main element of the plan was to carry out a massive, simultaneous attack of Israeli first-line aircraft against all Egyptian air force bases - the main Arab air force. This required exact and detailed planning of departure times and approaches of each of the attacking forces, in order to ensure the element of surprise on every target. On the morning of June 5, the aircraft of the IAF took off from their bases and attacked Egyptian air force bases in Sinai and Egypt. During the first wave, eleven fields were hit (among them some that had also been attacked in the first wave).
In a short, efficient and decisive blow, approximately 300 Egyptian aircraft, including bombers, combat planes and helicopters, were destroyed in less than 2 hours. The main air threat against Israel was eliminated and the Israel Defense Forces achieved air supremacy when Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi aircraft attacked targets in Israel. Once it was clear that King Hussein, the Jordanian leader, had chosen to undertake a military campaign on the Jerusalem front, the Israel Air Force turned to the Jordanian airfields in Amman and Mafrak and destroyed a large part of the Jordanian Air Force. When the confrontation was further extended on the same day over Syria and Iraq, Israeli aircraft continued their combat against these countries and also destroyed their aircraft. Airfields attacked in Syria included Damascus, Damir and Seikel. In Iraq, the H-3 airfield in the vicinity of the Jordanian border was attacked. Before the end of the first day of fighting, the air forces of the participating Arab states had been destroyed, thereby determining the fate of the entire war. Israeli armored forces could then fight the battle under “clear skies”, and air force pilots were free to provide support to IDF ground forces in all the sectors, the breakthrough and transportation axes without leaving the rear of the State of Israel in danger of air attack. Israel Air Force losses in the fateful day of the battle were a total of 20 aircraft. Twelve pilots were killed, five were wounded and four captured.

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Feel sorry for thousands Arab lost, not Pakistan :pakistan:
 
Pakistan did not send any jets anywhere. We had pilots deputed with EAF, RJAF and Syrian AF and they got involved in some mixes and had the better of their Israeli counterparts. This does not mean that PAF won the war and folks should not necessarily boast about this all the time. It is in the past and now its just used to stick our thumbs in other people's faces. Not sure if Satter Alvi or M. Latif would be up this task themselves so not sure why we get all riled up over this?
 
Pakistan did not send any jets anywhere. We had pilots deputed with EAF, RJAF and Syrian AF and they got involved in some mixes and had the better of their Israeli counterparts. This does not mean that PAF won the war and folks should not necessarily boast about this all the time. It is in the past and now its just used to stick our thumbs in other people's faces. Not sure if Satter Alvi or M. Latif would be up this task themselves so not sure why we get all riled up over this?

By nothing so exciting this post, it is just interesting of thought from other nation and judgements.
 
it speaks about the quality and caliber of our pilots!
 
am i reading the same thign as everyone else??

what i read was

"Pakistani Air Force sent its jets to help the Arabs. And Israel Air Force was defeated by PAF, and PAF did not lose a single jet, and, Israel lost many(almost all)."

"The story is true, except that it was the Israeli Air Force that did all the "winning". Israel lost around 20 jets while eliminating over 400 of it's enemies. In combat, any story that involves no losses should immediately raise a red flag."
 
This question which RaptorRX707 quoted here was actually asked by and indian member from Israeli's and taken from an Isreali defence forum and believe me that indian guy was just playing with stories and making up facts just to get pampered by the israeli's and was doing makhan bazi stuff to them.

The actual thing was PAF downed israeli jets without loosing a single one but no all of them,but that indian member made it up by saying that according to Pakistani's PAF downed all the jets of isreali airforce (even an insane can't think of downing 400 jets with just 6-7 pilots) lol just to illude israeli's that how bigger liars Pakistani's are and how much they are degrading israeli's

you can check all posts of that indian member and look what he has to say

No offence to other indian members but what i said is true you can yourself check out that forum and read his comments yourself

I m sorry i can't post the link of that forum as its not allowed here
 
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Pakistan did not send any jets anywhere. We had pilots deputed with EAF, RJAF and Syrian AF and they got involved in some mixes and had the better of their Israeli counterparts. This does not mean that PAF won the war and folks should not necessarily boast about this all the time. It is in the past and now its just used to stick our thumbs in other people's faces. Not sure if Satter Alvi or M. Latif would be up this task themselves so not sure why we get all riled up over this?

True. One of the pilot even got the title "Sword of HUssein" for his bravery.
Out of the 20 Aircrafts that Israel lost, 9 were done by PAF pilots.
 
even Zaid Hamid told this that PAF participated in the war and shot down mant IAF jets without any loss
 
it is also reported that PAF pilots were using Punjabi and Pashto to communicate (because Israelis were listening to communications) and this wasn't understood by IAF then , so they were left guessing .
 
This should be in Pakistan. Iraqi AF Hunter aircraft piloted by PAF Saif-ul-Azam - 1967 Arab-Israel war. 2 kills (Mirage-III, Vatour Bomber).

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it is also reported that PAF pilots were using Punjabi and Pashto to communicate (because Israelis were listening to communications) and this wasn't understood by IAF then , so they were left guessing .

did IAF use urdu :cheesy::cheesy:

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This should be in Pakistan. Iraqi AF Hunter aircraft piloted by PAF Saif-ul-Azam - 1967 Arab-Israel war. 2 kills (Mirage-III, Vatour Bomber).

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certainly better option, what is it doing in the junk yard??? his name is written on the aircraft
 
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