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J-31 stealth fighter designed for export, says PLA admiral

J-31 stealth fighter designed for export, says PLA admiral

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The J-31, China's second prototype fifth-generation stealth fighter, designed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, will be produced for the export market instead of for China's air force and navy, according to Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong of the PLA Navy in a People's Daily report.

While the Washington-based Strategy Page said the J-31 has the potential to become a future carrier-based stealth fighter for the PLA Navy, Zhang said it is unlikely the plane will serve aboard Chinese aircraft carriers. Unlike the J-20 designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group, the J-31 was never a development program intended for the Chinese military, Zhang said.

Like the FC-1/JF-17 Xiaolong or Thunder multirole fighter designed jointly by China and Pakistan, the J-31 will be most likely be a model intended for export to China's allies and strategic partners, which may include countries like North Korea and Iran. Chinese fighters are a much cheaper alternative to US fighters for developing countries, even those which are able to buy military hardware from the United States.

A model of the J-31 was first displayed at the Zhuhai Air Show in Guangdong province last November, where it was described as a fighter to open China's overseas market. It was called the "Advanced Fighter Concept," according to the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC). The model was displayed again at the opening of the Beijing international Aviation Exposition on Sept. 25, under the new name of "China Concept Fighter." Sources from AVIC told People's Daily however that the "China Concept Fighter" is not the J-31.
 
It would be nice if India can buy just about 5 aircraft to only troll our neighbors :devil: :rofl:

And then crash a couple of them saying they had mechanical failures :devil:
 
It would be nice if India can buy just about 5 aircraft to only troll our neighbors :devil: :rofl:

J31 or any fighter from China are not comparable to USA or Russian fighters, Chinese do not have even proper engines and avionics which play crucial part.

PAK FA is a cheaper and better option in stealth fighter market.

PAK FA is going to enter earlier than any chinese stealth fighter and going to sweep the market.
 
J31 or any fighter from China are not comparable to USA or Russian fighters, Chinese do not have even proper engines and avionics which play crucial part.

PAK FA is a cheaper and better option in stealth fighter market.

PAK FA is going to enter earlier than any chinese stealth fighter and going to sweep the market.

Okay - let's say 1 ? :azn:
 
J31 or any fighter from China are not comparable to USA or Russian fighters, Chinese do not have even proper engines and avionics which play crucial part.

PAK FA is a cheaper and better option in stealth fighter market.

PAK FA is going to enter earlier than any chinese stealth fighter and going to sweep the market.

The Chinese have had far more experience in dealing with fifth generation avionics (such as AESA, passive detection, L-band) than Russia, have produced far more models of such systems, and have more companies that take part in the research. The PLAAF, PLAN, PLAGF have already inducted such similar systems in their aircraft, warships, vehicles, while Russia's single airborne AESA is yet to enter service.

PAK FA has an arguable comparison against the J-31, considering that both aircraft exhibit respective emphases.

Sure, the WS-15 engines may not be in service, but neither is Russia's Al-41.

And in correspondnce to Russia's history of selling hardware, "cheapness" is not exactly a likely merit of the T-50.
 
Russian tech even though it is rugged is reliable and cheap. Russian Radars are powerful and comparable to any radar in the market.


Regarding avionics Russians are also co operating with India. India do have the experience related to Su 30 MKI. India successfully integrated Israel and European avionics into su 30 MKI and have a decade of experience.



The Chinese have had far more experience in dealing with fifth generation avionics (such as AESA, passive detection, L-band) than Russia, have produced far more models of such systems, and have more companies that take part in the research. The PLAAF, PLAN, PLAGF have already inducted such similar systems in their aircraft, warships, vehicles, while Russia's single airborne AESA is yet to enter service.

PAK FA has an arguable comparison against the J-31, considering that both aircraft exhibit respective emphases.

Sure, the WS-15 engines may not be in service, but neither is Russia's Al-41.

And in correspondnce to Russia's history of selling hardware, "cheapness" is not exactly a likely merit of the T-50.
 
Russian tech even though it is rugged is reliable and cheap. Russian Radars are powerful and comparable to any radar in the market.


Regarding avionics Russians are also co operating with India. India do have the experience related to Su 30 MKI. India successfully integrated Israel and European avionics into su 30 MKI and have a decade of experience.

Nobody denied that Russia has powerful radars.

However to say that they are "superior" to any Chinese radar is an outdated pretense.
 
Nobody denied that Russia has powerful radars.

However to say that they are "superior" to any Chinese radar is an outdated pretense.

I go by the history, China is yet to field a superior radar than Russia.
 
I go by the history, China is yet to field a superior radar than Russia.

Great, then start going by 2004, when the KJ-2000 entered service:

KJ-2000 -- 2004 (L-band AESA, 450 km range, 14th institute)
KJ-200 -- 2007 (L-band AESA, 14th institute)
Y-8 AWACS -- 2008
J-10B -- 2008 (X-band AESA, 1152 T/R modules, 14th institute)
J-11B -- 2008 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-15 -- 2009 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-16 -- 2012 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-20 -- 2011 (X-band AESA, 1800 T/R modules, 14th institute)
J-31 -- 2012
ZDK-03 -- 2011 (AESA, 14th institute)
KJ-500 -- 2013 (AESA, 14th institute)

The list does not even include the naval ones and ground based ones.

Now name a radar that Russia current fields that is superior to a Chinese one.
 
Great, then start going by 2004, when the KJ-2000 entered service:

KJ-2000 -- 2004 (L-band AESA, 450 km range, 14th institute)
KJ-200 -- 2007 (L-band AESA, 14th institute)
Y-8 AWACS -- 2008
J-10B -- 2008 (X-band AESA, 1152 T/R modules, 14th institute)
J-11B -- 2008 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-15 -- 2009 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-16 -- 2012 (X-band AESA, 1760 T/R modules, 450 km range against 1 m^2 target, 607th institute)
J-20 -- 2011 (X-band AESA, 1800 T/R modules, 14th institute)
J-31 -- 2012
ZDK-03 -- 2011 (AESA, 14th institute)
KJ-500 -- 2013 (AESA, 14th institute)

The list does not even include the naval ones and ground based ones.

Now name a radar that Russia current fields that is superior to a Chinese one.

Naval radars and Awacs radars are not the topic we are discussing here, they are bulky are in a different league together.

We are discussing fighter aircraft AESA radar.

Phazotron Zhuk AE/ASE :Assessing Russia's First Fighter AESA

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The Zhuk AE developed for the MiG-35 and legacy MiG-29 upgrades is the first Russian Active Electronically Steered Array (AESA [Click for more ...]) antenna equipped radar to be disclosed publicly. The manufacturer, NIIR Phazotron, has released a considerable volume of technical literature detailing the design philosophy and technology employed in this radar. This paper explores, in radar engineering terms, antenna and transmit receive channel related design features, and the cardinal performance parameters for this radar. While this pre-production radar operates at the lower end of the X-band and has a lower transmit receive channel count than Western radars of similar aperture size, it delivers power-aperture performance superior to all but the very latest Western small aperture fighter radars. The Zhuk AE employs lower density liquid cooled quad channel transmit receive module packaging technology which is comparable to first generation US AESA designs.

A parametric analysis and power aperture modelling is performed on the proposed Zhuk ASE, which is a scaled up version of the Zhuk AE following the model of the Zhuk MSFE built for the Flanker. The Flanker sized Zhuk ASE radar with existing Russian transmit receive module technology will deliver around 60 percent higher raw power aperture performance compared to US APG-79 (F/A-18E/F BII) and APG-81 (JSF) class radars, and if fitted with transistor technology permitting 15 Watts/channel or more, as proposed by NIIR Phazotron, it will outperform the N035 Irbis-E (Su-35BM) and all currently deployed US fighter radars other than the APG-77(V)2 (F-22A Raptor). The earliest feasible IOC for the Zhuk ASE on the Flanker is estimated at 2010.

Phazotron Zhuk AE: Assessing Russia's First AESA


Airshow China 2012: Russia showcases AESA radar with view to Chinese co-operation

Airshow China 2012: Russia showcases AESA radar with view to Chinese co-operation - IHS Jane's 360

Interesting thing the article mentions is that Russia is vying to help chinese in AESA technology.
 
Russia just has old Soviet technology, they cannot develop new technologies like AESA radars and Drones.

In terms of capacity, may be Russia is equally or more capable because of longer field experience but they may not have enough resources to subject as much as China can and has been subjecting since well over two decades now.
 

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