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Making India think " twice ".

I do not understand how this is a capability to make Indians Think twice, this is just a Nuclear tipped warhead an alternative to CKEM tech which they seriously lack, But India certainly has a War proven Capability Of a Missile which was not nuclear tipped when used in war but certainly did come with an Option which was Ignored by the Indian Army, The Pinaka Batteries of course with a lethal radius of around 1500-2000 metres with nuke tipped warhead...Although not proven yet... Free to disagree
 
You think Lahore is a Rasagulla or Gulab jamun that you will swallow with taste. Are you people in this world or leaving in space. Have you ever heard of gurilla warfare with anti tank/anti armour weaponary, house by house fight, hand to hand fight, lane to lane fight. First of all what do you think about entering into Lahore itself. Is it Gateway of India where you will go for a morning walk?
 
You think Lahore is a Rasagulla or Gulab jamun that you will swallow with taste. Are you people in this world or leaving in space. Have you ever heard of gurilla warfare with anti tank/anti armour weaponary, house by house fight, hand to hand fight, lane to lane fight. First of all what do you think about entering into Lahore itself. Is it Gateway of India where you will go for a morning walk?

This is 2011 not 1800 :lol:
 
I do not understand how this is a capability to make Indians Think twice, this is just a Nuclear tipped warhead an alternative to CKEM tech which they seriously lack, But India certainly has a War proven Capability Of a Missile which was not nuclear tipped when used in war but certainly did come with an Option which was Ignored by the Indian Army, The Pinaka Batteries of course with a lethal radius of around 1500-2000 metres with nuke tipped warhead...Although not proven yet... Free to disagree

well,we have proven battlefield nukes...
shakti 3,4,5 devices
are 0.3kt,0.2kt,0.5kt respectively....

We already has battlefield nukes in 1998...
we just need to arm the pinaka MBRL with these nuke warheads..
 
You think Lahore is a Rasagulla or Gulab jamun that you will swallow with taste. Are you people in this world or leaving in space. Have you ever heard of gurilla warfare with anti tank/anti armour weaponary, house by house fight, hand to hand fight, lane to lane fight. First of all what do you think about entering into Lahore itself. Is it Gateway of India where you will go for a morning walk?

lahore is just 25 km from border. it is difficult but not impossible to take over lahore if army moves forward with good strategy, moreover right from border to lahore city whole area is highly populated so i don't think pak will use any nuclear weapon agianst indian forces.
 
You think Lahore is a Rasagulla or Gulab jamun that you will swallow with taste. Are you people in this world or leaving in space. Have you ever heard of gurilla warfare with anti tank/anti armour weaponary, house by house fight, hand to hand fight, lane to lane fight. First of all what do you think about entering into Lahore itself. Is it Gateway of India where you will go for a morning walk?

U got so freaked out? It was merely an assumption..God!:disagree:
 
Leaving aside that tactical nuclear weapons were designed for large russian armored formations and given up long ago by everyone else.

Some genius has now developed a short range nuclear device designed to be used on Indian troops "after" they have invaded Pakistan, note the flaw in the argument, if they are ever deployed Pakistan will become the first nation in history to nuke itself.

this ignores the fits the production of a roughly 20-25 kilo nuclear device is going to give security people.

Ahmed Rasheed calls it: Pakistan's habit of negotiating with the enemy by putting a gun to its own head,
According to him, Musharaff had plans to do so during Kargil,in case India invaded from the south.
Of course,Pakistan's nuclear delivery systems weren't operational at that time(source: Line of fire)
 
Integrated battle groups of the Indian army have only one chance and thats the only chance , if they are to attack and capture desired targets inside Pakistan they must get it right the first time . They have a trump card in their hand which is the element of surprise.

On the other hand we have well prepared to fight this type of battle off quite well during Azam-e Nau 3 & 60 day long High Mark 2010. Both maneuvers were the biggest in Pakistan's history , Navy has done Shamsheer e behr to chip in their role.

We are going to give India the taste of its own medicine by fighting off a coordinated attack initiated by all three services of Indian military establishment by a joint & unprecedented response by all three services of the Pakistan military.

On the ground we have advantage of swift deployment and weapons systems ie Nasr , A-100 , Panters , M-109 Howitzers , SH-01 which provides massive fire power and damaging capability with versatile warheads and high accuracy.Its just a matter of time when the army will have to opt for WS-02 long range guided rocket system which will add another pixele to the picture.

This firepower and not to mention Infantry , spec ops , and mechanized units in a coordination can thwart the Integrated battle groups attack , the only problem would be right placement and early warning where our all time reliable ISI & other Early warning indicators and assets will come into play.

Once a warning is received , the air force , air defense will take charge and destroy any invading air crafts . For that matter assets like F-16s and new long range SAM systems ie MBDA Spada 2000+ , FT-2000 ARM , HQ-18 , HQ-09 , KS-01 will be the key.

What must be remembered is that this doctrine offers a limited but highly organized show of force giving a swift thrust in Pakistan's territory which means that the Indian high command is not sending its all assets at once given the fact that Pakistan can mobilize all of its assets way quicker than the Indian military as seen in 2000.

It also indicates that the IBGs would be backed by Indian air force , maybe MKI's which have a time gap of 1 minute/launch or more which means that launching all required MKIs in the air will give PAF enough time to put its assets in the air.

These IBGs would be short in numbers but highly equipped and trained , so would be the air force - they won't use mass amount of a/c in order to maintain their element of surprise - but it also is a weakness where Pakistan will capitalize by out-gunning those IBGs and IAF- fighters through unprecedented and disproportionate use of force.

The bottom line is , the Cold start though a smart doctrine will achieve little and lose more as the survival and coordination of the segments of the force put together would be vital to the mission which means that one hit by Pakistan military in the right spot will be a mission abort for instance if IBGs are backed by 100 IAF air crafts & PAF destroys -50-60 of them it will translate into all men in those IBGs getting annihilated and the other assets with indian IBGs wont be able to complete their task on their own while taking a massive toll from the ground and the air.

-------Regards: Aeronaut

Dude that was the most shallow scenario ever, what do you think India will sit and watch while Pakistan does all this ? Do remember wars are not fought just with weapons, India's far superior economy is its biggest strength, a naval blockade will end the war for Pakistan within the first week.
 
Leaving aside that tactical nuclear weapons were designed for large russian armored formations and given up long ago by everyone else.

Some genius has now developed a short range nuclear device designed to be used on Indian troops "after" they have invaded Pakistan, note the flaw in the argument, if they are ever deployed Pakistan will become the first nation in history to nuke itself.

this ignores the fits the production of a roughly 20-25 kilo nuclear device is going to give security people.

What is overlooked till now is that it can also deploy conventional HE warheads as well. Just consider a buggy which fires,runs and hides, then comes out and fires again, then again run off. Shoot and scoot will be a great advantage. It will not only increase surprise but also increase survivability of platform. This missile is seriously fast and Should be very accurate given it uses optical seeker. So even if it uses conventional HE warhead, it can blow out enemy fast and hard while the prey would have very almost no time to react. A TEL firing couple of fast ballistic missiles and running away, that should be very frustrating in itself that you dont know from where are these coming. Given if India ventures into Pakistan for surgical strikes. Not only PA but also PAF will have home courte advantage. If PAF keeps the skies clear for PA,then this missile can seriously blow some serious gas out of opponent, even if it is not Nuke tipped
 
What is overlooked till now is that it can also deploy conventional HE warheads as well. Just consider a buggy which fires,runs and hides, then comes out and fires again, then again run off. Shoot and scoot will be a great advantage. It will not only increase surprise but also increase survivability of platform. This missile is seriously fast and Should be very accurate given it uses optical seeker. So even if it uses conventional HE warhead, it can blow out enemy fast and hard while the prey would have very almost no time to react. A TEL firing couple of fast ballistic missiles and running away, that should be very frustrating in itself that you dont know from where are these coming. Given if India ventures into Pakistan for surgical strikes. Not only PA but also PAF will have home courte advantage. If PAF keeps the skies clear for PA,then this missile can seriously blow some serious gas out of opponent, even if it is not Nuke tipped

Thing is even if it is mobile for a large truck it sems an expensive solution to a shot and scoot anti armor role with only two shots and presumably a considerable reload time, yes it could be used with conventional explosives so can an ICBM but why would you go to all that trouble just to launch HE. If you want shoot and scoot you can do it a lot cheeper with some thing like a Simba.

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First of all India is not some delusional Moron tht doesn't take into consideration all assets of its adversary ...Unlike its past adversary.
I can in-fact assure u that not just twice but India thinks a 100 times ,cross referencing strategies and steps, and then deploy a strategy.
This article is nothing but a pipe dream.
Pakistan lacks Infrastructure to react fast enough to preplanned flashpoints...just having a capability is not enough ..being able to deploy it timely is what counts. With AEWAC and drones in this scenario do u think a single role capability with only a 60km radius can do much?Think again.
This is more of in a Rocket artillery capability, largely used for ground support.
 
You think Lahore is a Rasagulla or Gulab jamun that you will swallow with taste. Are you people in this world or leaving in space. Have you ever heard of gurilla warfare with anti tank/anti armour weaponary, house by house fight, hand to hand fight, lane to lane fight. First of all what do you think about entering into Lahore itself. Is it Gateway of India where you will go for a morning walk?

Ok.. Indian forces are on outskirts of Lahore.. 5 Km away.. Then what?? Will you use Nukes and kill millions in Lahore along with a few thousand indian troops and tanks??
 

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