Naval Forces SAT to exercise with SSGN in Pakistan

[Irfan Baloch]

Small Numbers and not much is available about SSGN operations in Internet that could be reason for my ignorance in this regards about SSGN's Potential so thanks for providing some Clarity about their previous Operations and different situation they encounter.

I have clarified of mistaking SSGN with US Marine instead its Navy Seals and they are also very Potent Spec ops as well. Pakistan need to grow their total Spec ops size by providing opportunities to Good performing Military and Paramilitary soldiers in Training and should Introduce INTEGRATED Training Program of SSG, SSGN and SSW for Seniors to perform their respective roles with Different Tactics to enhance their Capabilities in operation.

raising and maintaining large number of special ops force takes money and resources and the most rare and precious of them all is the actually the right person.
but there is always a way.. world armies have differing levels (fill in all that apply, capacity, training, equipment, lethality, potency) of special forces

America
the ones that I know
like US NAVY seals and US Army's Delta force are top end top tier
then their green berets, marines, 101, Army rangers etc. also class as special forces. who tops who? well ti depends who you ask


UK
Special Boat services and SAS are top end then there are the British paras and the Royal Marine commandos
you will be surprised that SBS beat SAS as well in their training and intensity. people who drop out of SBS in later stages of screening are recommended to try out SAS. and the capability and track record of SAS is a legend on its own.

I didnt mean to do a run down of top ten or top 100 here but just wanted to give an example.that yes it might be possible to have a little bigger special forces strength but there would be always among them that will be top end. best of the best. and they cant be many in numbers.

its just impossible under the natural circumstances unless we have advances in nano technology and biosciences to make special super soldiers who are actually farmed not born from normal parents.

 

[MilSpec]

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Whats up with the gloves?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

@Zarvan @Gazi

US TIER 1 SPECIAL FORCES : SILENT AND DEADLY Somewhat helpful

Remember the Tier system isn't a ranking of the Special Mission Units but a priority of funding.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Forget the marine forces and SSGN, the entire naval arm needs to be given a bigger budget. It is a joke compared to regional navies currently. That won't happen until the Pakistan's armed forces reevaluate their priorities, and the economy improves.

Due to fast changing maritime security challenges faced by Pakistan, the entire defense budget needs evaluation and focus needs to be increased tremendously on Pakistan Navy and Pakistan Air Force. A weak Air Force cannot defend the Pakistani airspace, Pakistan Army or Pakistan Navy. No matter how much the strength of the Pakistani Army, without air cover they will be vunreble to attacks.

 

[Neptune]

Whats up with the gloves?

They are Pakistani SSGN and these are nomex gloves but not the ones we see on the hands of fighter pilots. I have tried that before on my hand. It provides the most reliable protection in a VBSS exercise/mission. Fire and explosion resistant, fast rope. However, it decreases the mobility and grip. It's harder to point a firearm when using it. Most VBSS teams around the World use these "firefighter-looking" gloves be it rarely or oftenly. Today, Oakley's tactical gloves are the most common. But it's arguable whether these gloves provide the same level of protection as these you see on SSGN, definitely they don't. But some individuals including US military personnel still prefer nomex gloves used by pilots, although Oakley like gloves are nomex as well but AFAIK. But they say that it's more comfortable. Oakley gloves had been purchased for SAT before but many operators are seen to be using back pilot-nomex gloves instead.

Standard issue nomex gloves for pilots:

Oakley tactical gloves used by SAT operators:

 

[Neptune]

just like that?
even gathering a crowd for victory march of Nawaz league or Iftikhar Chodhary's judiciary movement is not as easy as you made it sound.
before we move on
we need to separate the Pakistan Marine force and the SSGN. both are miles apart in terms of their role, responsibility, manpower and capability
if you had seen the marine force then you would have thrown up before mentioning them in the same sentence with SSGN.


even America with all its military strength , unlimited funds and access to top end technology is known to only have a force of 2000 US Navy SEALs

these special forces guys (now I am talking about the real deal here not the fancy clothes) are a different breed, they are evolved from the normal human beings, their body chemistry is different from us their endurance and their tenacity is above the normal threshold of a human being.
they are really hard to find and filter out from the raw human resource. just their initial screening results in many deaths... forget about the actual training.

the real strength and capabilities of SSGN is classified, consider each individual operative as a few million dollar weapon. I am sorry but there wont be any pictures of them in the media and those guys with the oven gloves are not SSGN


I dont have any background data on Turkish SAT
but the origin of SSGN dates back to 60s. yes it is modelled on US Navy SEALs but its far from being a novice. it conducted operations in all major conflicts with India and actually dealt devastating blows to the Mukti Bahini terrorists but without going any further all I can say is that those small victories were not converted into a political victory and stability and east Pakistanis were lost to us well before Indian forces made their last move and crossed the borders. SSGN's UDT experience also dates back to the 60s our operatives train with British Special boat services and American Navy SEALs.

in short SAT might have its own tricks up its sleeves but it wont be "teaching" an amateur

Very interesting history of SSGN, SBS is not the one we know it used to be before though I miss these Tommies.
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I'd like to make a short brief on SAT Group Command's history.
Well SAT was founded by the US Navy SEALs/UDT teams themselves in 1963 as the Underwater Commando (SAK). USN pulled out their hands years after when some of SAKs were sent to Virginia for SEAL instructor trainings. After their return, the Naval Forces have set their own agenda.
Unlike Pakistan, where the main SOF/SF unit is the Army's SSG, Turkey's premier special operations unit is the Navy's SAT. Some people say it's the army's ÖKK but even at the domestic service code of TAF, it clarifies the main duty of ÖKK, they are more up to arming and training of civilians in wartime. They have different missions. Noone really knows anything about them.

Aegean Sea, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Southeastern Region (COIN), Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Italy (Capture of a senior PKK terrorist), Mediterranean, Gulf of Aden, Indian Ocean, Yugoslavia (designating targets for air strikes), Azerbaijan (providing training to 641st Special Naval Warfare Unit since early 2000s) Greek Islets, Lebanon, Somalia and more. SAT was involved almost everywhere where it was needed.

@Horus we can learn from SSGN about midget subs even if they (SAT) doesn't operate any since we can't know what they'll procure in future.



 

[RescueRanger]

@Zarvan @Gazi

US TIER 1 SPECIAL FORCES : SILENT AND DEADLY Somewhat helpful

Remember the Tier system isn't a ranking of the Special Mission Units but a priority of funding.

Pakistani manufactured Kevlar gloves:

Safety Gloves & Hoods - Lyra (Pvt) Ltd

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Whats up with the gloves?

Pakistani manufactured Kevlar gloves:

Safety Gloves & Hoods - Lyra (Pvt) Ltd

thank God this guy isnt wearing em:

Very interesting history of SSGN, SBS is not the one we know it used to be before though I miss these Tommies.
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I'd like to make a short brief on SAT Group Command's history.
Well SAT was founded by the US Navy SEALs/UDT teams themselves in 1963 as the Underwater Commando (SAK). USN pulled out their hands years after when some of SAKs were sent to Virginia for SEAL instructor trainings. After their return, the Naval Forces have set their own agenda.
Unlike Pakistan, where the main SOF/SF unit is the Army's SSG, Turkey's premier special operations unit is the Navy's SAT. Some people say it's the army's ÖKK but even at the domestic service code of TAF, it clarifies the main duty of ÖKK, they are more up to arming and training of civilians in wartime. They have different missions. Noone really knows anything about them.

Aegean Sea, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Southeastern Region (COIN), Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Italy (Capture of a senior PKK terrorist), Mediterranean, Gulf of Aden, Indian Ocean, Yugoslavia (designating targets for air strikes), Azerbaijan (providing training to 641st Special Naval Warfare Unit since early 2000s) Greek Islets, Lebanon, Somalia and more. SAT was involved almost everywhere where it was needed.

@Horus we can learn from SSGN about midget subs even if they (SAT) doesn't operate any since we can't know what they'll procure in future.



PNS IQBAL is the headquarter of commander SSG(N). The commander SSG(N) is placed under the command of Commander Coastal areas. During the post 1965 war analysis Pakistan Navy felt the need of establishing a Special force, which could be used for covert offensive operations against enemy shore based facilities and the units at sea or in harboursAs a consequence, training volunteers for frogman / special Ops formed a new offensive arm for Pakistan Navy in 1966. Shortly after raising, the capabilities of this elite group were multiplied through the acquisition of midgets, chariots and combat/ auxiliary diving equipment. The training of volunteers selected from all branches of the Navy for Special Service Group (Navy) was conducted on the lines of British Special Boat Squadron (SBS), British Special Air Services (SAS) and US Navy SEALS. They were to be trained as frogmen, commandos, paratroopers and operators of special craft of multiple roles. During the initial years, basic training of SSG (N) was conducted at Diving School PNS HIMALYIA and the advance training at PNS IQBAL, which was commissioned on 29 March 1967 as the home of SSG (N). Since 1968, all SSG (N) training is being conducted at PNS IQBAL.

Within a few years of rising, SSG (N) participated in PAK-INDO war of 1971. During this war SSG (N) was divided into two groups for X-craft and SEAL Ops respectively.

SEAL Group participated in Counter Insurgency (CI) Ops in East Pakistan. Apart from the PN S/M, X-Craft were the only platform, which patrolled the enemy’s water for weeks.

During first two decades of its inception SSG (N) capabilities were confined to frogmen Ops with overwhelming focus on underwater covert insertion through X-Craft and chariots. However through a well thought out training philosophy SSG (N) transformed into a potent out fit capable of operating at Sea, Sub Sea, Air and Land dimensions. Through out its history of almost 4 decades unit has been performing diversified Ops as per the dictates and employment directives of higher HQs.

 

[Aliya Hayat]

Good initiative by Pak Navy

 

[Zibago]

Somali pirates here we come.