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Pak to import 1100MW of electricity from Iran

We have enough resource to make anything especially electricity do you have any idea about how much Iran will charge for this electricity we have 70% of population who even cant afford 2000 Rs per month bill of electricity/Gas etc. Our leaders are idiot and moneylover. Why we always dependent ourself on USA China Saudia and now iran ??? we have biggest reserve of

Iran has a vast surplus of electricity and they are looking to export it to several regional countries. There is nothing wrong with us buying a product or service if it meets our needs and is priced appropriately - which in this case, it is.

The US imports almost 100% of its toys from China. Does this mean all american children are "dependent" on China? Obviously not. Open trade is good.
 
Iran offered electricity at a very cheap price and we should take up this offer for our betterment.

Iran is a greet neighbor who is trying its best to be the best ally it can be and we should return the favor.

Long Live Iran.
 
but look at the article ,it is clearly stated that the project will complete within 5 years...lol 5 year is a long time span till thn we still have to suffer with load shedding so dun start jumping
 
Iran offered electricity at a very cheap price and we should take up this offer for our betterment.

Iran is a greet neighbor who is trying its best to be the best ally it can be and we should return the favor.

Long Live Iran.

Dude i swear you were slagging off Iran before, i apologise if I'm wrong :P A strong relationship with Iran is vital for Pakistans growth due to the close proximity with our oil-rich brothers :P I hope we can form a strong relationship with Iran as the closer we are to them the further our relationship with the US will become which will benefit us Pakistanis in the long-run.
 
actually 5 years is a little too much time considering our own on-going projects will be completing by that year.

They should have accelerated the installation projects and should have completed in 2-3 years maximm. 500 million dollars is also a big amount but if they have completed this project by year 2012 or 2013 it was worthy an investment.

No matter what it is far far better than generating electricity on RPPs but i would have preferred if they were to import 2200MW of electricity instead as agreed by Iran last month
 
There is nothing ive found in the Iranian press to corroborate this story. As far as the Iranian press has reported on energy-supply to Pakistan the Pakistanis are still yet to come to any final decision, and are as yet to have started building the necessary infrastructure to receive either natural gas or additional electricity from Iran from what they're already getting.

Searching through the news online for more on this i then happened to come across this quite remarkable and ingracious commentary from a former Pakistani ambassador towards Iran and its people.

It definitely warrants some attention. If not so much for its accuracy in reading Iran and Iranians than for its naivety and misguided presumptions of the same. Accusations that Iranians are getting increasingly sick of hearing from people’s like Pakistanis whom we neither know enough about nor care enough about to consider comparing ourselves or feeling ‘superior’ to.

If business between one country to the other is being delayed then it partly can be attributed to the side which is afflicted with feelings of insecurity/inferiority and attaches such unwarranted emotional baggage to dealing with Iran as the former Pakistani ambassador has so revealed below.

I can tell you that Iran is ONLY interested in doing business, nothing more. I fail to see the point of the rest of the baggage that Pakistanis try to bring to it is. Anyone care to offer a view?

Ive highlighted the most bizarre and off-the-point remarks when it comes to wanting to do business with Iran, or anyone else for that matter – Iran does not care to make such assessments and presumptions about Pakistan and Pakistanis when it comes to considering doing business with them. Not surprising then that this dead-weight pipeline project has gotten nowhere after over a decade given that the other side is prone to wanting to bring-up irrelevant baggage to what should be just short, simple, straight-up business.

Pipeline or pipedream?
Saturday, April 10, 2010
Zafar Hilaly


When America and China were at daggers drawn in the 50s and 60s American officials were aghast that Pakistan, an American ally (vide our membership of SEATO and the Baghdad Pact), had the temerity to befriend China. John Foster Dulles, a notorious Cold War creature, was in fits. He threatened to rain fire and brimstone on Pakistan. Astonishingly, we held firm and in the process earned the respect of China, which thereafter warmed to us and the rest, as they say, is history.

Yesterday Robert Blake, an American assistant secretary, who is not even an imitation Dulles, did the same, in so many words, when he said "we do not think it is the right time for this (the Iran- Pakistan pipeline) kind of cooperation with Iran" and suggested that "Pakistan should seek other alternatives". The reason, of course, is America's desire that no country have any truck with Iran until the dispute over Iran's nuclear programme is resolved. The fact that the pipeline is indispensable for Pakistan, in view of our growing energy requirements, mattered not a pitcher of warm spit to Mr Blake. Nor was he bothered about the fallout that scrapping the contract would have had on relations between two hitherto friendly neighbours. But then, why should he, when it comes to protecting his country's interests? America's "cold, untroubled heart of stone never muses on sorrow except her own".

Happily Foreign Minister Qureshi worked up the courage to reject Mr Blake's gratuitous advice. Mr Blake must have thought that Pakistan, being a client state, would obey his firman. However, as he will come to learn, the times are changing, so much so that even Hamid Karzai, America's satrap in Kabul, can bite the hand that feeds him with impunity.

In any case it is not as if the Pak-Iran pipeline will start pumping tomorrow the 750 million cubic feet of gas that it is expected to supply daily. Even if construction were to start today the project would take five years to complete. And, that too, may not be possible because we are finding it difficult to scrape up the billions needed to construct the pipeline. Moreover, it is unlikely that the US-Iran standoff will continue indefinitely. Neither country can afford to let it spin out longer than another three years. Impending UN sanctions will hurt Iran, however much Iran may claim to the contrary. In any case, the self-imposed timeline that the Americans have in mind to prevent Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon capability does not extend beyond that. Something, therefore, will have to give and hence, for the meek-hearted amongst us, to jump to answer Mr Blake's summons would have been premature. In fact, if the nuclear issue is resolved satisfactorily, we may even have an American company bidding to finance and lay the pipeline. And if, God forbid, the present standoff ends in war then the project will anyhow become moot.

Nor should we be misled by American offers to consider "alternative" sources. The possibilities of a civilian nuclear deal with the US are remote. Congress is unlikely to entertain the prospect given our poor proliferation record. In any case, our demand for gas by 2014 will reach 8 billion cubic feet per day, whereas, at the moment, production is less than 4 billion cubic feet per day. Even if we include gas from Iran, and from the one LNG plant that is in the offing, there will still be an estimated shortfall of 2-3 billion cubic feet of gas per day by 2013-14. So great are our needs that we need to import gas wherever it is available and, as luck has it, it is located next door -- not to do so would be idiotic.

The energy crisis Pakistan confronts has proved devastating for the economy and, along with cancelled orders on account of the recession, has brought about a near meltdown. The impact on the daily lives of the populace is no less severe. The figures speak for themselves. The electricity shortage has now reached 4,000MW and nearly 40% of the populace have to make do without electricity. Only 18% of the populace have access to pipeline gas for cooking and heating. Merely by converting from oil to gas piped from Iran our existing power facilities would add 25% more to their power output owing to the enhanced efficiency of generators powered by gas. Hence, Iranian gas is a vital need. Such an agreement should, in fact, have been concluded much earlier, and probably would have been, had our leaders a mite more sense.

Moreover, the political fallout of a decision to scrap the agreement with Iran would be grave and long lasting. Iran and Pakistan have never really warmed to the other in the way that China or Turkey have to Pakistan. True, the Shah had great regard for Pakistan's leaders and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was an intimate of the Iranian Royal family. And during our wars with India the Shah did offer tangible support. But who can forget the Shah's boast in 1971 that in the event of Pakistan disintegrating Iran would seize Balochistan? Or that, as Iran's coffers overflowed with petro- dollars, following the 1973 oil boycott, the Shah's megalomania increased and "big brother" Pakistan of 1947 was viewed and treated as the proverbial "poorer cousin" by 1977? The innate sense of racial superiority, never far from the surface among high-born Persians, also boiled over. Considering Persians a race apart, the Shah went as far as to offer anyone in Pakistan of Persian descent Iranian nationality. And when the brothers Agha Shahi and Agha Hilaly declined the "honour" he was genuinely astonished. It never occurred to the King of Kings that it was they who felt insulted by his offer which implicitly questioned their loyalty to Pakistan.

Imam Khomeini of course found it impossible to hide his distaste of Zia-ul-Haq going as far as to ask a delegation of army officers, who called on him at Qum in 1979, to overthrow the usurper. In return Zia, a Salafist, identified himself with the Saudis and ever since relations between Iran and Pakistan have been vexed. At one time the two countries were engaged in a proxy war in Afghanistan with Iran backing the Northern Alliance and Pakistan the Taliban. Relations have improved but not all that much. Iran remains wary of Pakistan's American connection. Nevertheless, Iran has been mostly circumspect in cultivating Pakistan's Shias although her exuberance, now and then, does spill over.

That said, scrapping an agreement concluded after long and tortuous negotiations, purely to please the Americans, would have understandably been considered a gratuitous insult by Iran and one timed deliberately and spitefully to further isolate Iran. It would have almost certainly propelled Iran further towards India, strengthened the sectarian divide within Pakistan, invited Iranian interference and made an eventual settlement in Afghanistan more remote.

In view of the ramifications and the negative impact of such a move on Iran-Pakistan relations, the foreign minister was wise to speak out and scotch the possibility of any such move. It may also be worth the foreign minister's while, when he next sidles up to Hilary Clinton and inclines his head to mention in her ear that Pakistan has not only no intention of scrapping the agreement on the pipeline with Iran but plans to work assiduously to improve relations with Iran. And, just as we did not budge when similarly advised by America to shun China, we have no intentions of being guided in our relationship with Iran by American preferences. The hallmark of a self-respecting nation is what she does and not what others do or threaten to do.

The writer is a former ambassador. Email: charles123it@hotmail.com

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=233539]

Regards
 
e iran there was this news sometimes back too so i think there are some chances .
 
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUE WITH IRAN IS? we have a large shia community! our president is shia we have commonalities in culture!

the word "KHUDA HAFIZ"

comes from persia not arab! and yet we have issues with iran?

if the saudis can warm up to indian relations we can warm up things with iran!
 
^ ای ایران Not sure what you find disturbing in the article.it is a well balanced article.
 
Our Shortfall of Electricity around 4 - 5000 lol so this 1000 Megawatt already not much to fullfilll over requirement :)

loooti jaoo is mulk ko sab....
 
Our Shortfall of Electricity around 4 - 5000 lol so this 1000 Megawatt already not much to fullfilll over requirement :)

loooti jaoo is mulk ko sab....

either they should have imported 2200MW and we should have started receiving by year 2013 maximum or 1100MW is more than enough. Our energy requirements in 2015 will reach about 31,000MW and we have enough projects in pipeline to fullfill this demand by 2015.

pakistanenergyrequireme.jpg


Remember its a long term project so 1100MW i guess is a good decision when we see we will start receiving this electricity by 2015.

There will be many small dams completed, many hydropower projects will be nearing its completion including Neelum-Jhelum and IP gas pipeline project will also be nearing its completion by 2015.

Year 2016 - 2018 is very import for us where we will have bhasha dam completed and many other coal projects must have been completed by then and not to forget major chunk of IP gas pipeline shall be used to generate electricity
 
we are just trying to catch up.
need to plan for the future as well so that future generations don't suffer from what are going through at the moment.
we also need to make sure that we don't waste energy. when we get stuff we start wasting it. individual also need to take initiatives in this regard.
 
we are just trying to catch up.
need to plan for the future as well so that future generations don't suffer from what are going through at the moment.
we also need to make sure that we don't waste energy. when we get stuff we start wasting it. individual also need to take initiatives in this regard.

you are right........... it has been said many times on tv that if peoples are Pakistan start using Energy savers instead of Incandescent bulbs they could save upto 1200MW of energy today.

Usually we have a shortage of 2000MW - 3000MW in off-peak time and saving this much of energy can help government to fullfill the requirements of our energy.

We have a energy shortage of about 4000 - 4500MW at peak time for this year and if we as an Individuals voluntarily use Energy savers and try to use the minimum of electricity we can save our electricity as well as reduce our electricity bill
 
i fail to understand why pakistan doesn't opt to use THAR COAL RESERVE or make more dams!

BLOODY POLITICS is costing our country in terms of progress industrial development and whatever you name it!

the need for dams is way to urgent!
 
Our Shortfall of Electricity around 4 - 5000 lol so this 1000 Megawatt already not much to fullfilll over requirement :)

loooti jaoo is mulk ko sab....



Moreover, as the pakistan's population is growing and pakistan is progressing the average rate of electricity consumption will also grow.

And if the electricity demand grows even by 10% per annum of the current demand in pakistan.

So, by the time the electricity from Iran available to pakistan, the electricity demand in pakistan will be raised by 3000 mega watt.

Hence, it will be nit of much help. It can't bridge the gap of demand supply as per present requirements of Pakistan how can these small quantity of electricity generated by Iran gas plant and chinese nuclear plants will suffice the demand.


current deficit of 4500 megawatt + 3000 mega watt = 7500 mega watt of power deficit by 2012 in pakistan.


In Future pakistan will get:

The power from Iran 1000 MW + Nuclear power plants by china around 1000 MW + Misc. projects 1500 MW = 3500 MW maximum


7500MW - 3500 MW = 4000 MW i.e. at the same level of power shortage as on 2010, so 12-22 hrs of power cuts will remain in future.

Also, one must remember in near future demand will grow more rapidly and the gap of demand and supply will be more and more.


So the need of the hour is to build large scale capacities or remain in the illusion that these will meet the need.
 

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