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Pakistan army anger at Nato border tactics after forcing militants out

We should drop some leaflets in Kunars populated area just like we did in Srinagar and if they as local people don't do anything about it let's do it ourselves. A couple of retaliatory strikes will surely send a good message.
 
Well, this is very hypocritical of the Americans and Nato forces. We shed the blood of our fellow countrymen and we will not tolerate it if all our hard work and efforts go to waste! Seriously, if Americans keep up like this they will only damage their image even more in Pakistan!
 
if it's true why NATO is doing this??

This is apparently part of McChrystal's new strategy of 'protecting the population centers'. The argument being that since the US/NATO has 'constraints' in terms of the amount of resources and troops it can deploy, the resources and troops that it does deploy should be focused on areas with larger population concentrations. By focusing your resources on higher population density areas, you protect (or protect better) more people with the same number of troops and resources, and therefore get more 'bang for your buck'.

The reason Pakistan is critical of this move is that it ends up creating a similar dynamic to one that everyone in the West was criticizing Pakistan for a few months ago, and many still continue to do so. Criticizm that Pakistan was allowing large ungoverned areas to be used as 'safe havens' from where Taliban militants could launch cross-border attacks. Now this move by the US potentially creates large areas that the Taliban will be able to use as safe havens, barring the occasional raid or assault by NATO, and use them to launch attacks both in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Remember all the criticizm of 'why Pakistan was not deploying more troops to take on more Taliban' etc. etc.? At that time everyone and their mum was ranting about 'Pakistan is hand in glove with the Taliban'. No one wanted to accept that Pakistan had its own constraints and security considerations and priorities (and still does to a degree) given that it saw the Indian threat as a larger one compared to the Taliban threat, at that time.

Now the US is arguing that it has to abandon regions to the Taliban because of 'US constraints'. Why doesn't the US pull out troops from Japan, SK or elsewhere in the world, and dismantle those bases, to shore up its presence in Afghanistan?

As far as Pakistan is concerned, the US is doing nothing but 'waving at windmills' in all those places, wasting resources on Don Quixote quests.

Given the amount of criticizm directed at Pakistan when it was reluctant to deploy more resources (criticizm that continues to be directed at it because of a refusal to expand military operations into NW), and the trivialization of Pakistani concerns and constraints, there is level of bitterness and anger at this move by the US.
 
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My post isnt much related to this thread but any how sorry for it in advance:
NATOs gone LOCO the dumb retards are just straight stupid...There tactics in afghanistan show the same..
2)In afghanistan tribes use ANA and NATO to eleminate there rivals by giving false info on which NATO and Shumali mafia dont even investigate...
3They are giving arms to tribe to fight taliban which land in black market or are mostly used against them....
Majority of afghan population still supports taiban.....effect and confirmation can be seen in Operation Khanjar (dagar) in marjah in which Taliban miixed in population with local support and fled the operation hence resulting in a failure.
etc etc
 
Isn't they initially put them in pakistan. Give me a single reason they will not help them again.

So they did, and now TTP is enjoying safe heaven inside Afghanistan. And when PA move back, TTP will be send back to disturb pakistan.
 
Now it's Pakistan blaming the US for letting the Taliban slip away

While both Pakistan and the West have made significant military gains against the Taliban, they are critical of the lack of support they are receiving from their allies, says Con Coughlin.

Con Coughlin in Bajaur, North-West Pakistan
Published: 6:50AM BST 16 Apr 2010

The young, immaculately turned out Pakistani soldiers responsible for guarding the world's most inhospitable terrain were finding it hard to conceal their frustration. For the past 18 months, they had been fighting to drive thousands of Taliban militants from their strongholds in the remote tribal regions that straddle Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

The campaign reached its climax last month, when Pakistani forces finally dislodged the Taliban from heavily fortified positions in Bajaur, just a few miles from the forbidding mountain passes that lead to Afghanistan.

This week, when I became one of the first Western journalists to reach Bajaur following the Taliban's defeat, the detritus of battle lay everywhere. Along the roads to the border villages stood semi-demolished houses riddled with bullet holes, where Taliban fighters had made their last, desperate stands. Occasionally, frightened children would peer from dilapidated alleyways and wave nervously at our passing convoy of military lorries.

At the border village of Damadola, where the insurgents lost their final battle, all that remained from their reign of terror was the network of caves they had carved into the surrounding mountains, which were filled with the dusty sleeping bags and clothes abandoned in their haste to escape the military's advance.

But even though Pakistani forces have inflicted a crushing defeat on the Taliban in the semi-autonomous tribal region of northern Pakistan, their senior officers are furious that hundreds of fighters escaped across the border into Afghanistan, where they are being housed and protected in camps set up by Afghan supporters.

Pakistani commanders insist that they informed their American opposite numbers that large numbers of Taliban were fleeing into territory that is supposed to be under US control, but they failed to intervene. Now the Pakistanis fear the Taliban will regroup in Afghanistan and launch a fresh offensive to re-establish its presence in northern Pakistan.

"We have done everything the West asked us to do," Col Nauman Saeed told me when we met at the headquarters of the Bajaur Scouts, who spearheaded the campaign against the Taliban. "We feel badly let down."

Previously, Nato commanders had accused the Pakistani authorities of not taking effective action against Taliban bases on their soil, which have been used to plan terrorist attacks against Western targets in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Now the Pakistanis are turning the tables on Nato. The irony of these claims will not be lost on the Americans, who faced similar accusations in late 2001, after they led the coalition that overthrew the Taliban government in Afghanistan. On that occasion, US forces failed to prevent the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies from escaping across the border to Pakistan, undermining attempts to capture Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, the Taliban's leader.

Since then, the insurgents have exploited the goodwill of Pashtun leaders in Pakistan's remote tribal areas to build a new administrative structure. They used this to terrorise the population through the strict application of sharia law, and also provided a haven for al-Qaeda terrorists. Pakistani intelligence sources believe that Ayman al-Zawahiri, one of bin Laden's key lieutenants, was given shelter in Bajaur itself.

The Pakistani military was finally forced to intervene after al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister, and the Taliban moved south and seized control of the Swat Valley, close to the capital of Islamabad.

But the fact that, nine years after Western forces first deployed to the region, there appears to be no proper co-ordination between Nato commanders in Afghanistan and their Pakistani counterparts does not bode well for the future success of this campaign.

After all, the whole point of the new strategy devised by General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of Nato forces, is that it involves those on both sides of the border working together to defeat their common enemy.

What I found particularly disconcerting during my visit this week to the war zone in Pakistan was that the complaints I heard from Pakistani officers were not dissimilar to those I heard from their British counterparts when I visited Helmand this year. While both sides have made significant military gains against the Taliban, they are critical of the lack of support they are receiving from their allies.

The British and Americans accuse the Pakistanis of not doing enough to stop Taliban fighters fleeing across the border, while the Pakistanis complain about the ease with which the Taliban can move in the opposite direction.

It is clearly in the interests of everyone that this impasse is resolved quickly, as the glaring disconnect between Nato and Pakistan threatens to undermine the entire international effort to prevent this region from being a haven for Islamist terrorists. And with President Obama sticking to his pledge to start withdrawing American troops from the region in July next year, time is of the essence.

Now it's Pakistan blaming the US for letting the Taliban slip away - Telegraph
 
why cant airforce take em out ? they are firing drones on our land we should do the same
 
why cant airforce take em out ? they are firing drones on our land we should do the same

Would probably have to insert intelligence/SF's to point out targets. The terrain in the region is pretty rugged, and lends itself to a guerrilla war with plenty of hiding spots.
 
The US never had the required number of boots on ground. All they were doing was debunking Pakistan to hide their failures. America entered a bad war and above all poor execution and threat analysis unless the objectives were different..!

The PA should consider to expand there area of operation into Afghanistan in order to eliminate these Irhabists.
 

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