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Japan is part of the West? I never knew that. I thought Japanese are East Asians and not Caucasians.

Japan since the time of Meiji Restoration has considered itself part of the West, they industrialized along with the West and perhaps from 1800s till mid 1900s they were the only country in Asia that could defeat a European country in an all out war.
 
Japan since the time of Meiji Restoration has considered itself part of the West, they industrialized along with the West and perhaps from 1800s till mid 1900s they were the only country in Asia that could defeat a European country in an all out war.
They thought they were the Asian leader to defeat the west, that's why they tried to create "Greater east asia co-prosperity sphere", but no east Asian countries like to follow them.
 
The thing is that Russia has NEVER BEEN A TRUSTED PARTNER OR ALLY FOR CHINA. In fact they have caused China even more damage than the West could ever dream of.
I recommend read ancient Chinese novel "Three kingdoms". History repeats.
 
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India is toast now

No more S-400s, AK-203s, Kamov Choppers

SU-30 MKIs, MIG-29s, T-90 tanks etc. will all die a painful death due to lack of spares.



Putin: Russia-China military alliance can’t be ruled out
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOVOctober 22, 2020 GMT



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Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks as he participates in the annual meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club via video conference at the Novo-Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow, Russia, Thursday, Oct. 22, 2020. (Alexei Druzhinin, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)


MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday there is no need for a Russia-China military alliance now, but noted it could be forged in the future.
Putin’s statement signaled deepening ties between Moscow and Beijing amid growing tensions in their relations with the United States. The Russian leader also made a strong call for extending the last remaining arms control pact between Moscow and Washington.
Asked during a video conference with international foreign policy experts Thursday whether a military union between Moscow and Beijing was possible, Putin replied that “we don’t need it, but, theoretically, it’s quite possible to imagine it.”
Russia and China have hailed their “strategic partnership,” but so far rejected any talk about the possibility of their forming a military alliance.
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Putin pointed to the war games that the armed forces of China and Russia held as a signal of the countries’ burgeoning military cooperation.
Putin also noted that Russia has shared sensitive military technologies that helped significantly boost China’s military potential, but didn’t mention any specifics, saying the information was sensitive.
“Without any doubt, our cooperation with China is bolstering the defense capability of China’s army,” he said, adding that the future could see even closer military ties between the two countries.
“The time will show how it will develop,” the Russian president said, adding that “we won’t exclude it.”
Russia has sought to develop stronger ties with China as its relations with the West sank to post-Cold War lows over Moscow’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea, accusations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and other rifts.
Putin on Thursday emphasized the importance of extending the New START treaty that expires in February, Russia’s last arms control pact with the United States.
Earlier this week, the United States and Russia signaled their readiness to accept compromises to salvage the New START treaty just two weeks ahead of the U.S. presidential election in which President Donald Trump faces a strong challenge from former Vice President Joe Biden, whose campaign has accused Trump of being soft on Russia.
New START was signed in 2010 by then-U.S. President Barack Obama and then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The pact limits each country to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed missiles and bombers, and envisages sweeping on-site inspections to verify compliance.
Russia had offered to extend the pact without any conditions, while the Trump administration initially insisted that it could only be renewed if China agreed to join. China has refused to consider the idea. The U.S. recently modified its stance and proposed a one-year extension of the treaty, but said it must be coupled with the imposition of a broader cap on nuclear warheads.
The Kremlin initially resisted Washington’s demand, but its position shifted this week with the Russian Foreign Ministry stating that Moscow can accept a freeze on warheads if the U.S. agrees to put forward no additional demands.
Putin didn’t address the issue of the freeze on warheads, but he emphasized the importance of salvaging New START.
“The question is whether to keep the existing treaty as it is, begin a detailed discussion and try to reach a compromise in a year or lose that treaty altogether, leaving ourselves, Russia and the United States, along with the rest of the world, without any agreement restricting an arms race,” he said. “I believe the second option is much worse.”
At the same time, he added that Russia “wasn’t clinging to the treaty” and will ensure its security without it. He pointed at Russia’s perceived edge in hypersonic weapons and indicated a readiness to include them in a future pact.
“If our partners decide that they don’t need it, well, so be it, we can’t stop them,” he said. “Russia’
Despite indications earlier this week that Russia and the U.S. were inching closer to a deal on New START, the top Russian negotiator said that “dramatic” differences still remain and strongly warned Washington against making new demands.
Sergei Ryabkov cautioned the U.S. against pressing its demand for more intrusive control verification measures like those that existed in the 1990s and aren’t envisaged by the New START. The diplomat argued that new control mechanisms could be discussed as part of a future deal, saying firmly that Russia will not accept the demand that amounts to “legitimate espionage.”
“If it doesn’t suit the U.S. for some reason, then there will be no deal,” Ryabkov was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying.
 
India is toast now

No more S-400s, AK-203s, Kamov Choppers

SU-30 MKIs, MIG-29s, T-90 tanks etc. will all die a painful death due to lack of spares.



Putin: Russia-China military alliance can’t be ruled out
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOVOctober 22, 2020 GMT



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Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks as he participates in the annual meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club via video conference at the Novo-Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow, Russia, Thursday, Oct. 22, 2020. (Alexei Druzhinin, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)


MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday there is no need for a Russia-China military alliance now, but noted it could be forged in the future.
Putin’s statement signaled deepening ties between Moscow and Beijing amid growing tensions in their relations with the United States. The Russian leader also made a strong call for extending the last remaining arms control pact between Moscow and Washington.
Asked during a video conference with international foreign policy experts Thursday whether a military union between Moscow and Beijing was possible, Putin replied that “we don’t need it, but, theoretically, it’s quite possible to imagine it.”
Russia and China have hailed their “strategic partnership,” but so far rejected any talk about the possibility of their forming a military alliance.
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Putin pointed to the war games that the armed forces of China and Russia held as a signal of the countries’ burgeoning military cooperation.
Putin also noted that Russia has shared sensitive military technologies that helped significantly boost China’s military potential, but didn’t mention any specifics, saying the information was sensitive.
“Without any doubt, our cooperation with China is bolstering the defense capability of China’s army,” he said, adding that the future could see even closer military ties between the two countries.
“The time will show how it will develop,” the Russian president said, adding that “we won’t exclude it.”
Russia has sought to develop stronger ties with China as its relations with the West sank to post-Cold War lows over Moscow’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea, accusations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and other rifts.
Putin on Thursday emphasized the importance of extending the New START treaty that expires in February, Russia’s last arms control pact with the United States.
Earlier this week, the United States and Russia signaled their readiness to accept compromises to salvage the New START treaty just two weeks ahead of the U.S. presidential election in which President Donald Trump faces a strong challenge from former Vice President Joe Biden, whose campaign has accused Trump of being soft on Russia.
New START was signed in 2010 by then-U.S. President Barack Obama and then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The pact limits each country to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed missiles and bombers, and envisages sweeping on-site inspections to verify compliance.
Russia had offered to extend the pact without any conditions, while the Trump administration initially insisted that it could only be renewed if China agreed to join. China has refused to consider the idea. The U.S. recently modified its stance and proposed a one-year extension of the treaty, but said it must be coupled with the imposition of a broader cap on nuclear warheads.
The Kremlin initially resisted Washington’s demand, but its position shifted this week with the Russian Foreign Ministry stating that Moscow can accept a freeze on warheads if the U.S. agrees to put forward no additional demands.
Putin didn’t address the issue of the freeze on warheads, but he emphasized the importance of salvaging New START.
“The question is whether to keep the existing treaty as it is, begin a detailed discussion and try to reach a compromise in a year or lose that treaty altogether, leaving ourselves, Russia and the United States, along with the rest of the world, without any agreement restricting an arms race,” he said. “I believe the second option is much worse.”
At the same time, he added that Russia “wasn’t clinging to the treaty” and will ensure its security without it. He pointed at Russia’s perceived edge in hypersonic weapons and indicated a readiness to include them in a future pact.
“If our partners decide that they don’t need it, well, so be it, we can’t stop them,” he said. “Russia’
Despite indications earlier this week that Russia and the U.S. were inching closer to a deal on New START, the top Russian negotiator said that “dramatic” differences still remain and strongly warned Washington against making new demands.
Sergei Ryabkov cautioned the U.S. against pressing its demand for more intrusive control verification measures like those that existed in the 1990s and aren’t envisaged by the New START. The diplomat argued that new control mechanisms could be discussed as part of a future deal, saying firmly that Russia will not accept the demand that amounts to “legitimate espionage.”
“If it doesn’t suit the U.S. for some reason, then there will be no deal,” Ryabkov was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying.


Russia sees the writing on the wall, that Trump will lose and Biden will declare Russia as no 1 threat, pushing Russia and China in alliance
 
As predicted. Logical move that is totally justifiable.

Putin announced this even as Indian defence secretary was in Russia begging Putin to fast track military equipment.

Russia was angry that India was joining the Quad.

All indications are that Putin is cancelling the yearly summit with India. :chilli:


Amid border tensions with China, Defence Secretary Ajay Kumar leaves for Moscow ahead of India-US meeting
India
Times Now Digital
Updated Oct 19, 2020 | 09:30 IST


According to the sources, the Defence Secretary's Russia visit is to sort out the minor irritants in various ongoing defence-related projects.


Defence Secretary | Photo Credit: PTI
New Delhi: Ahead of two-plus-two dialogue between India and the United States, Secretary of Defence Ajay Kumar on Monday left for Moscow to ensure the progress of new projects. According to the sources, the visit is to sort out the minor irritants in various ongoing projects.
About 60 to 70 per cent of the weapons the armed forces use is Russian. India still uses a lot of Russian weapons, including fighter aircraft like the Sukhoi-30, the MiG-29 and transport planes like the Il-76, Kilo-class conventional and Akula class nuclear submarines and the T-72 and T-90 tanks and BMP infantry combat vehicles.
Considering the border tensions with China along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, they require huge amounts of spares and the possibility of easy access to them and also, their manufacture in India may be discussed, reports Times Now's Srinjoy Chowdhury.

Amid LAC standoff, 8th round of India-China talks this week, 1st since change of command at HQ 14 Corps
EAM Jaishankar and Chinese FM Wang Yi meet in Moscow amid fierce India-China border standoff near Ladakh
Russian President Vladimir Putin expected to visit India for bilateral summit in October, says MEA

Indian and Chinese armies have been locked in a bitter standoff in multiple locations in eastern Ladakh since mid-May. Both countries have since stepped up monitoring of their largely unsettled 3,488 km (2,167 miles) border.
It is to be noted Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to visit New Delhi later this year. The visit initially planned for mid-September has been delayed due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
India, US ready to sign BECA
India and the United States are ready to sign the BECA or Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Cooperation, the final "strategic" agreement that will lead to closer ties between the armed forces of the two countries.
An announcement will be made during the two-plus-two meeting on 26-27 October in New Delhi. Already the two countries have activated all the three foundational agreements with both using each other’s designated military facilities for refuelling and replenishment.
During the two-plus-two, US deputy secretary of state Stephen Beigun and US defence secretary Mark Esper will meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi as well as his National Security Advisor Ajit Doval.

As predicted. Logical move that is totally justifiable.

Russia-China-Pakistan-North Korea-Turkiye-Iran are forming the anti US alliance.
 
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Russia sees the writing on the wall, that Trump will lose and Biden will declare Russia as no 1 threat, pushing Russia and China in alliance

The headline speaks for itself
"Putin: Russia-China military alliance can’t be ruled out "

It looks more like a bargaining chip

A formal alliance between Russia and China will drive Europe into arms of USA
Why would China want that ?
 
There is a mutual pact between India and Russia, that both will not use military against each other. If India is joining Quad, it not against Russia and Russia understand it. Russian and China corporation can't be against India bcz it doesn't make any sense for Russia. Russia and India relation is very deep and older than Russia-China relation. Both can't dump each other.
@LeGenD plz change the title and make it real.
 
The headline speaks for itself
"Putin: Russia-China military alliance can’t be ruled out "

It looks more like a bargaining chip

A formal alliance between Russia and China will drive Europe into arms of USA
Why would China want that ?

yes it is a bargaining chip, otherwise they would've announced yes its done...
 
There is a mutual pact between India and Russia, that both will not use military against each other. If India is joining Quad, it not against Russia and Russia understand it. Russian and China corporation can't be against India bcz it doesn't make any sense for Russia. Russia and India relation is very deep and older than Russia-China relation. Both can't dump each other.
@LeGenD plz change the title and make it real.

Wake up and smell coffee. This is 2020 not 1980. Russia is not USSR.
Russia sees the writing on the wall, that Trump will lose and Biden will declare Russia as no 1 threat, pushing Russia and China in alliance
The headline speaks for itself
"Putin: Russia-China military alliance can’t be ruled out "

It looks more like a bargaining chip

A formal alliance between Russia and China will drive Europe into arms of USA
Why would China want that ?

Russia already declined US offer to rejoin expanded G7 without China.

Russia Refuses To Join Any Alliance Against China
By Vusala Abbasova July 27, 2020
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Peskov's statement came at a time when Russia and China are seeking closer ties as a hedge against U.S. President Donald Trump’s approach to trade and global affairs.
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The Russian Foreign Ministry made it clear that it won't join any alliance against its eastern partner, while Washington took fresh aim at provoking the world to rise up against Beijing.
Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the ministry, said that Moscow will continue cementing relations with Beijing as they are a fundamental factor for stability and security in the world, describing U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's remarks as an attempt to "drive a wedge" between Moscow and Beijing.
"We view Mike Pompeo’s words about a possibility to drag Moscow into the U.S. campaign against China as another naive attempt to complicate the Russian-Chinese partnership and to drive a wedge in the friendly ties between Russia and China," Zakharova said in a press statement on July 24, according to TASS. "We will be strengthening cooperation with the People’s Republic of China, which we view as a crucial factor for stabilization in the world."
Disputes between China and the United States have replaced those between Russia and the U.S. particularly after the speech of U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in California on July 23, when he aimed directly for Xi Jinping calling the Chinese leader "a true believer in a bankrupt totalitarian ideology." In his speech, Pompeo urged democracies around the world to join "a new alliance" to counter China.
Zakharova said that "not only do the tensions provoked by Washington in relations with Beijing do harm to the United States and China, but also they seriously complicate the international situation in general".
"Those two countries are permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and they play a major part in world affairs," Zakharova stressed. "Alongside the other five members, they bear a special responsibility for maintaining global security."
Earlier, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov reaffirmed his country's opposition to joining any alliance aimed against anyone, especially against China, as Beijing is Moscow's ally and partner.
Commenting on Pompeo's remarks on July 24, Peskov stated that Russia does not enter into alliances against other states, and all its political associations "are aimed at developing good neighborliness and mutual benefits," adding that the two nations have "relations of a special partnership nature."
Peskov's statement came at a time when Russia and China are seeking closer ties as a hedge against U.S. President Donald Trump’s approach to trade and global affairs, which has pitted Washington against Beijing over coronavirus outbreak especially. In recent months, President Trump has repeatedly blamed the Chinese government for failing to contain the Covid-19 outbreak, which has hit the U.S. most.
Connections between Russia and China run deep in a number of fields: energy, arms production, trade in national currencies and strategic projects in transport and supporting infrastructure. Russia shares a 4,209 km (2,615 mi) border with China.
A deepening of Russo-Chinese relations fostered by Western policies and actions, particularly after the outbreak of the Ukrainian crisis in 2014 and the allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
In addition, when Europe has been diversifying its supplies away from Russia, following western sanctions being imposed on Russia, the Kremlin moved forward with its pivot towards Asia in order to diversify its economic activities. Currently, China is Russia's most important partner in Asia.
In turn, a deepening of Russo-Chinese energy ties is a part of Beijing’s clean air policy that helps China switch from reliance on coal and other carbon-emitting sources, which provide about 60 percent of the country's energy total needs, to more eco-friendly resources like natural gas.
At the same time, bilateral defense cooperation between the two sides is on the rise. Last year, Russia and China held military drills dubbed Center-2019. The exercises were aimed at defeating terrorism and ensuring security in Central Asia, involving approximately 1,600 troops, over 300 pieces of weaponry, and nearly 30 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters from Beijing, making China the largest foreign participant at the drills.
A year earlier, Russia and China held exercises with 300,000 troops near the Chinese border, called Vostok-2018, which was Russia's largest war games since the Cold War.


 
or China and Russia think that if they formed an alliance, whole remaining world will be against them.
 
A formal alliance between Russia and China will drive Europe into arms of USA
Why would China want that ?

LOL

It is the US & EU/NATO who have pushed Russia into China's embrace

Germany rejects Trump’s proposal to let Russia back into G7

By Alexandra Brzozowski | EURACTIV.com

27-07-2020


German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, 21 July 2020. [EPA-EFE/YANNIS KOLESIDIS]

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Germany has rejected a proposal by US President Donald Trump to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin back into the Group of Seven (G7) most advanced economies, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a newspaper interview published on Monday (27 July).

Trump raised the prospect last month of expanding the G7 to again include Russia, which had been expelled in 2014 following Moscow’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region.

But Maas told Rheinische Post that he did not see any chance for allowing Russia back into the G7 as long as there was no meaningful progress in solving the conflict in Crimea as well as in eastern Ukraine.

Russia itself could make the biggest contribution to becoming part of the G7 format again by contributing to a peaceful solution in the Ukraine conflict, Maas said.

Russia is still part of the G20, a broader grouping including other emerging-market economies.

“G7 and G20 are two sensibly coordinated formats. We don’t need G11 or G12 anymore,” Maas said in reference to Trump’s proposal to invite not only Russia, but other countries to G7 meetings.

Maas described the relationship with Russia as “currently difficult” in many areas.

“But we also know that we need Russia to solve conflicts such as those in Syria, Libya and Ukraine. That will not work against Russia, but only with Russia.”

“But Russia also has to make its contribution, which is very slow in Ukraine,” Maas said.

Germany, which took over the rotating six-month EU presidency on 1 July, has taken on a mediating role in the conflict in Libya as well as in Ukraine.

When presenting Berlin’s EU Council presidency priorities to the European Parliament in June, Maas told MEPs that engaging with Ukraine and Russia will be a priority for Germany in the next six month.

“We want to prepare for the time when we could again talk more intensively about strategic relations with Russia,” Maas told MEPs but warned that this would require certain preparations and explained that “a solution in Ukraine is needed to change or restore the EU’s strategic relations with Russia.”

In late June, the Council decided to roll over the sanctions against Russia targeting specific economic sectors for a further six months, until 31 January 2021, while Germany had stepped up its calls for punitive measures against Russia over a 2015 cyberattack on the German Bundestag and the recent murder of a Georgian citizen on German soil.




'Normandy format' talks on Ukraine to be EU presidency priority, says Germany's Maas
Engaging with Ukraine and Russia will be a priority for Germany during its presidency of the EU Council, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas told a meeting of the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee (AFET) while presenting Berlin’s EU Council presidency priorities on Monday (13 July).





EU against admission

The EU’s chief diplomat, Josep Borrell, in June rejected the idea floated by the White House to reinvite Russia to this year’s G7 gathering hosted by the US, saying the conditions had not been met.

“The G7 cannot become G8 (…) until Russia changes its course. This is currently not the case,” Borrell told reporters in Brussels, stressing that “cooperation amid like-minded partners is crucial more than ever”.

His remarks came after US President Donald Trump said he would postpone a Group of Seven summit until September or later and expand the list of invitees to include Australia, Russia, South Korea and India.

The EU is not a member of G7, but the Council and Commission chiefs are attending its summits as guests.

In June, Trump told Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call about his idea of holding an expanded Group of Seven summit later this year with a possible invitation for Russia, the Kremlin and the White House said.

Trump said the G7 Group has become “very outdated” and should transform into the “G10 or 11 vs G1”, a reformed club to unite against China.

“Changing the format of G7 is not the prerogative of the chair (of the meeting),” Borrell added in a swipe against Trump.

The other six G7 members – France, Germany, Italy, the UK, Canada and Japan – remain sceptical about the inclusion of Russia, which was excluded from the then G8 by Trump’s predecessor Barack Obama in 2014 over its annexation of Crimea, with Britain and Canada having already spoken out against the idea of readmitting Russia.



 
Russia and Iran will not trust India after India has now become a US vassal state.

Russia-China-Pakistan-North Korea-Turkiye-Iran are forming the anti US alliance
Russia and Iran will not trust India after India has now become a US vassal state.

Once Biden wins, US will dump Modi too.
 
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