Qatar: Talks with Pakistan over Mirage 2000-5s

[Falcon26]

Hi,

Abbotabad strike was with the permission of Gen Kiyani---.

As for the Atlantique---Paf never believed in " I am my brothers keeper "---. For Paf---they were the gods---and everyone else beneath them.

They deceived the navy in 1971---they deceived the army in 1971---and at Kargil---and they have not changed.

Paf knew that the Atlantique was flying out---and they knew that the iaf was in the air---yet---they did not send someone on their own to protect the brother---.

Just to fly behind it or in the vicinity to keep an eye---but know---they said---we had warned the navy and that was it---our duty is done.

Someone in the paf should have faced a court martial and a firing squad for that---.

Dude, you are overthinking and burning your brain cells in the process! At times of heightened crisis, it's normal for adversaries to shoot down each other's jets. The Turks and Greek routinely did this and even during the Kargil war, Pakistan shot down multiple Indian aircrafts and helicopters. Does this mean different Indian Air Force Squadrons were undermining each other? You need to see these incidents in the context of the war. The army planned and executed the Kargil war without informing the Air Force and even then the war was happening over the border. Pakistan's entire context was that the fighters were Kashmiri militants, why would the Air Force cross the border to defend "Kashmiri militants."

There needs to be some maturity else discussions will prove futile.

Also stop referring others as "gods" the PAF is not a "god" that's a twisted mentality. There's only one God.

 

[MastanKhan]

But sir that was really an expensive and advanced A/C and USA did not provide that to many countries

Hi,

Indeed it was very advance aircraft of that time---french equipment I believe---. Iaf was desperate to seek the revenge for its planes that were shot down---. Even arm chair general knew that---.

So when the Atlantique got shot down---the first question was---where was paf---why did it allow the Atlantique to take off on its own---the hostilities had ended---but aggressive gestures by india were going on---.

If the navy was stupid to launch the aircraft---why did the paf not take action on its own and fly cover---. Why did the base commander on his own made the decision to send an escort---.

See---the problem with the paf is that it does not have an oath to serve the nation---but to serve their own personal egos---and when they die---it is for their own glory first---.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

Indeed it was very advance aircraft of that time---french equipment I believe---. Iaf was desperate to seek the revenge for its planes that were shot down---. Even arm chair general knew that---.

So when the Atlantique got shot down---the first question was---where was paf---why did it allow the Atlantique to take off on its own---the hostilities had ended---but aggressive gestures by india were going on---.

If the navy was stupid to launch the aircraft---why did the paf not take action on its own and fly cover---. Why did the base commander on his own made the decision to send an escort---.

See---the problem with the paf is that it does not have an oath to serve the nation---but to serve their own personal egos---and when they die---it is for their own glory first---.

But was any investigation conducted afterwards, because the sad aspect his people get exonerated too easily in Pakistan.

 

[The SC]

Not sure how to back it up with convincing reasons.

Delta should be replaced with Delta? Why? Who set this rule? Europeans replaced delta with eurocanards. Mirage was replaced with Rafale which is a different design despite the wing shape being similar.

We have been operator of French aircraft no doubt but that does not make it obligatory to procure more aircraft from them. Not just for the sake of it.

F-16 can do everything as good as Mirage-2000 and then some more. It defies logic to add another type just for the sake of it. That does not make economic and logistical sense.

What can one do when he can't get more advanced F-16s? at least to get something as close as possible!

 

[MastanKhan]

But was any investigation conducted afterwards, because the sad aspect his people get exonerated too easily in Pakistan.

Who is going to investigate ' gods '---.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Who is going to investigate ' gods '---.

Hello Sir ; do you support this decision or is it too llittle too late

You have always been a fan of Mirage 2000

 

[jha]

Again same thing if buying 10 mirages money can be used to buy 5 SU 35 is better option build on it yearly and I'm sure PAF has fuel to fly them flying 10 mirages fuel is equal to fly 5 SU 35 use some sense

I buy better capable jet

Quality over quantity keep it in your mind

10 Old Mirage will buy you at max 1 Su-35...

 

[Paksanity]

What can one do when he can't get more advanced F-16s? at least to get something as close as possible!

Used F-16s are available I think. They can be upgraded to standards equal or better than M2K-5. Only if our diplomatic missions start serving nation's interest. Mirage 2000 is a decade too late.

 

[barbarosa]

Why now, why not before India in 1980? wonderful.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Qatar and Pakistan are said to be engaged in talks since the beginning of this year over a deal for the French-made aircraft of type Mirage 2000-5 in service with the Qatari Air Force (QAF). The following 391-word report sheds more light on the subject and tells what about the talks between Qatar and Pakistan over the deal and what aircraft Qatar might purchase to replace the Mirage 2000-5s. [Briefly reproduced in TR Weekly Issue No 23/27 – July 1, 2016] - See more at:

http://www.tacticalreport.com/view_news/Qatar:-Talks-with-Pakistan-over-Mirage-2000-5s/5055

The Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 is a fourth-generation advanced multirole combat aircraft, descending from the Mirage 2000 lineage, already proven under operational conditions with the air forces of eight countries.

Operational experience, especially within multinational forces, has shown the need for an increased fuel capacity and firepower. This requirement has been fulfilled with the introduction of the Mirage 2000-5 in operational service in 1997.

As new markets were conquered by the Mirage 2000-5, the users of the earlier versions became interested in the aircraft new capabilities.
New Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 aircraft complete existing fleets, and operational aircraft are modernised to gain the same operational capabilities.

The Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 incorporates new technologies and functionalities often derived from the experience gained in the RAFALE aircraft development.
The Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 is ideally suited to interception and air superiority missions.

The Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 is entirely suited to high-altitude interception operations at high supersonic speeds (Mach 2.2 at 50,000ft) thanks to its aerodynamic qualities and its engine, thus allowing it to counter high-performance hostiles. Thanks to a new external load configuration, with air-to-air missiles fitted on the side fuselage hardpoints, the new aircraft offers a much-enhanced firepower.

With these new characteristics, the Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 offers outstanding multirole capabilities and ranks among the best in its category, as demonstrated by its success on the export market.
The Mirage 2000-9, ordered by the United Arab Emirates, belongs to the family of the new Mirage 2000-5 Mk2, purchased by Greece.

 

[Super Falcon]

10 Old Mirage will buy you at max 1 Su-35...

Qatar is selling 30 million each mirage to us 2 mirages can be 60 million and with its systems missiles and upgrades 2 mirages easily go over 80 million

1 SU 35 new airframe latest upgrade cost you with system 72 million each
2 mirages old airframe upgrades needed 80 million

We are saving 8 million with SUKHOI 35

and we are getting newer powerful airsuperiority jet with more agility which PAF pilots never experienced cobra maneuvers not to forget thrust vectoring and top of it low radar signature

Mirages don't offer any thing like this

Please go to the link and see who is better

http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/149-214/Dassault-Mirage-2000-5-Mk2-vs-Sukhoi-Su-35

Mirages may be cheaper but fuel cost shows per nautical mile SU 35 Drinks lesser fuel

in all aspects flying costs SU 35 is winner and maintaining too

I provided detailed comparison
now no one can deny the SU 35 is better in all terms

If still someone denies he is utterly stupid

Hi,

Indeed it was very advance aircraft of that time---french equipment I believe---. Iaf was desperate to seek the revenge for its planes that were shot down---. Even arm chair general knew that---.

So when the Atlantique got shot down---the first question was---where was paf---why did it allow the Atlantique to take off on its own---the hostilities had ended---but aggressive gestures by india were going on---.

If the navy was stupid to launch the aircraft---why did the paf not take action on its own and fly cover---. Why did the base commander on his own made the decision to send an escort---.

See---the problem with the paf is that it does not have an oath to serve the nation---but to serve their own personal egos---and when they die---it is for their own glory first---.

Exactly the point you made I just don't understand why our PAF sleeping in entire war we lost alot due to PAF stupid foolishness

Madam dear do you remember in 1998 few days before the war broke up our airchief was thumping his chest that we will show india what PAF is made off we are well equipped best pilots etc


American intrusion inside 1000 km Pak another failure

Drone strikes failures

Our PAF was best in 80s it is worst airforce in Asia no plans not fulfilling the holes

Still no long range high altitude missile been not bought by them how they save us from IAFbetter in quality and in numbers

PAF 1 F16 VS IAF 2.50 SU 30
no comparison
PAF 150 JF 17 VS 400 TEJAS
no comparison
PAF 50 MIRAGE V VS IAF 50 MIRAGE 2005
PAF NIL VS IAF RAFALE
PAF NIL VS 50 MIG 29
PAF NIL VS 60 MIG 29K

there is no comparison neither in numbers nor in quantity

Destroying Taliban's is easy job but in war you need good equipment with best available technology

We lack dedicated airsuperiority jet even Israel has it they mixed the roles of F 16 Multirole with F 15 airsuperiority it is deadly combination made them with wars

 

[denel]

back - i dont know one fellow has a personal issue with what i write and keeps getting me banned - yet he and his fellow friends use foul words on my and insults.

back to topic again - remember these are just talks. talks can be for anything but does not mean they will materalise for sure.

If F-16s are available used, then that is the way to go. As we ourselves found out, French parts are not easy and cost a premium plus you have to deal with the french attitude that goes with it. Mirage 2000 makes sense only if you were going to get around 60; for 9 it is a waste of resources. instead it is better to focus on block 3. Between the cost of getting mirage 2k vs J10; i would have chosen the later in terms of compatibility and evolution with jf-17 eg data links etc.

 

[Arsalan]

F16s from EDA with MLU and other upgrades from Turkey seem to be the first priority.
That is other then JF17 of course!!

 

[Super Falcon]

What can one do when he can't get more advanced F-16s? at least to get something as close as possible!

Why not get better than F 16 and mirages

Socho ge achai ka tu hoga bhi acha

Khud ko kar bland itna ka khud khod Banda se pocho ka Teri raza Kia ha

Get rid of typical Pakistani mentality which hesitate to explore new opportunities in new platform just for the sake. Of old is gold

Our mentality is we buy corolla car but we not explore better Nissan Altima at same price

J 10 can be bought better than old airframe of these Mirages

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Qatar is selling 30 million each mirage to us 2 mirages can be 60 million and with its systems missiles and upgrades 2 mirages easily go over 80 million

1 SU 35 new airframe latest upgrade cost you with system 72 million each
2 mirages old airframe upgrades needed 80 million

We are saving 8 million with SUKHOI 35

Comparison

Name: Mirage 2000C

Constructor:
Dassault - Breguet
Armament: 2 cannon 30 mm
6300 kg max payload
Length: 14m36
Max Speed: 2,350 km/h
Ceiling: 17060 m
height: 5m20
Weight Max: 17000 kg
Range: 3335 km
Span: 9m13
Crew: 1/2 Engines:1



Name: SU-35 Super Flanker

Constructor:Sukhoi
Armament:1 cannon 30 mm
8200 kg max payload
Length: 21m96
Max Speed: 2,500 km/h
Ceiling: 18000 m
height: 6m84
Weight Max: 34000 kg
Range: 4100 km
Span: 15m16
Crew: 1 Engines: 2