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The number of U.S. casualties is known and published. Lists are printed. They cannot be hidden or swept under a rug.

If Mr and Mrs Jones send their son to war, and he simply vanishes, what are they going to do?

A) "Oh well, Bill is dead. We never got any news, no official word. Let's just keep quiet."

or...

B) Scream out WHERE IS OUR SON??! to every newspaper, journalist, blogger, senator, congressman, etc.
 
The number of U.S. casualties is known and published. Lists are printed. They cannot be hidden or swept under a rug.

If Mr and Mrs Jones send their son to war, and he simply vanishes, what are they going to do?

A) "Oh well, Bill is dead. We never got any news, no official word. Let's just keep quiet."

or...

B) Scream out WHERE IS OUR SON??! to every newspaper, journalist, blogger, senator, congressman, etc.

Mate, you need to understand that it works differently in Pakistan.. aka, Kasab's family also disappeared when they were found out by Pakistani media. So no Mr and Mrs Jones left to write to Newspapers/COngressmen/Senators about Bill.

Also dont forget that thousands of Pakistani military men lost in the Kargil battles which Pakistan could not accept as their army and the bodies had to buried in India as unclaimed terrorists.

So with such mindset, its pretty obvious that similar expectations exist from American casualties figures in Afghanistan.
 
These are all snippets generated by the Taliban propaganda arm. The language makes this very obvious.





We haven't had three tanks destroyed simultaneously even in pitched tank battles with Iraqi Republican Guard forces.

A simple google search will bring up a large number of these:

Taliban Propaganda watch

Some real beauties:

It has always amazed me how people seem to think there shouldn't be to many casualties in war. Or actually how compared to the length and scope of this war just how few casualties there actually have been. And you defininitly won't see them posting how high Taliban casualties are in comparison.

And your right about his source, you can tell he is a Taliban supporter.
 
Afghan troops ran and hid during deadly attack, investigation finds
RICHARD LARDNER

WASHINGTON— The Associated Press
Published Friday, Jun. 10, 2011 6:50PM EDT

As one of the deadliest battles of the war in Afghanistan raged, Afghan soldiers ran, hid and even stole personal items from the American troops fighting and dying at a remote outpost.

When the Oct. 3, 2009, firefight at Combat Outpost Keating ended, eight U.S. soldiers were dead and 22 more were wounded. A military investigation the results of which were released Friday said the 53 Americans at Keating fought heroically, repelling hundreds of insurgents, but the investigation also faulted U.S. ground commanders for leaving American troops in a vulnerable position. And the Afghan troops received a withering appraisal from soldiers who were interviewed by investigators.

The United States has spent billions of dollars since 2001 training and equipping the Afghan army and police. Afghan security forces capable of defeating insurgents and terrorists are an essential ingredient in the Obama administration's plans to begin withdrawing American forces, and senior U.S. national security officials speak optimistically of progress.

But first-hand accounts from the battle at Keating, detailed in witness statements included in the investigation, provide a different, highly critical view.

One of the harshest came from two Latvian soldiers stationed at Keating and responsible for mentoring the three dozen Afghan troops at the base in mountainous Nuristan province near the Pakistan border. In interviews conducted after the attack, the Latvians told the U.S. investigators that the Afghan soldiers lacked “discipline, motivation and initiative.”

Close to 300 insurgents attacked Keating at dawn with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and guns. As the chaos of combat enveloped the base, the Latvians said they saw three Afghan soldiers at the aid station waiting to be treated for minor scratches and cuts. An Afghan platoon sergeant was in a corner of the station, curled up in a fetal position, they told the investigators.

Later, they opened a door to one of the buildings and found several other soldiers and Afghan security guards sitting on beds “anxiously waiting.” None of them had weapons at the ready or made an aggressive move when the door swung open. In other buildings, they found Afghan soldiers “in ones and twos, hiding under blankets in the fetal position.”

Protein drinks, digital cameras and other personal items that belonged to the Americans were found in the overstuffed duffel bags of Afghan soldiers as they were being moved to another base on an Army helicopter after the battle had ended, investigators were told. “A majority of the duffels contained materials that had been pillaged from the U.S. soldiers' barracks rooms,” said a memo summarizing their comments.

A 19-page summary of the investigation's findings said there were 20 Afghan soldiers at Keating when the attack occurred. But the Latvians, who worked closely with the Afghans, said there were 36. After the battle, they could account for 21; three had been killed. Fifteen were missing, they told the investigators.

The inquiry was led by Guy Swan, an Army general. In the summary, General Swan said U.S. ground commanders had left the troops at Keating in a vulnerable position without adequate support. Gen. Swan recommended giving four officers letters of admonition or reprimand. A reprimand is more serious than an admonition. Both can negatively affect an officer's career.

Other documents show Stanley McChrystal, then the top U.S. general in Afghanistan, approved the decision to punish the officers – a captain, a major, a lieutenant colonel, and a colonel. For their privacy, their names were removed from the copy of the report posted on U.S. Central Command's website. The investigation said the soldiers from B Troop, 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry, were in a “tactically indefensible position” with an “unclear mission.”

The investigation said in the weeks before the attack there were reports of a large enemy force massing near Keating and preparing for an attack.

Those reports were sent up the chain of command, “but there was an inadequate response and ultimately a failure of intelligence to prepare the unit for the enemy's action,” according to the documents.

That failure probably resulted from commanders becoming desensitized to reports of pending assaults. The unit would frequently hear that as many as

100 enemy fighters were preparing to attack Keating and only a handful would appear. As a result, these reports began to be taken less seriously.

The investigation also said there were too few troops at Keating. And because the base had been scheduled to be closed, the construction of barriers and other defences weren't pursued “since improvements would be of limited duration,” the report said. Overall, the decision to abandon the base inadvertently “undermined base defense and preparedness” and made Keating an easier target for the enemy to attack, the investigation said.

But in agreeing with the punishments, Gen. McChrystal, who was removed last summer after a magazine article anonymously quoted people around him criticizing members of President Barack Obama's national security team, praised the officers' prior performance and acknowledged the tough circumstances they faced.

In a December 2009 memo, Gen. McChrystal said he recognized the “extremely difficult missions and extraordinary responsibilities we have given these officers in a challenging, complex combat environment.”

Even under the best of circumstances, defending Keating from a full-scale onslaught would have been daunting. The base was in a deep bowl, surrounded by high ground giving the enemy ample lines of fire. A nearby U.S. observation post called Fritsche, which was attacked at the same time, offered scant protection, the investigation said.

“Worst location I have ever seen in my 19 years for a fighting position,” a B Troop 1st Sergeant told investigators. “This spot should not have been chosen even during the best of conditions.”

Names were removed from the witness statements.

The soldiers from B Troop weren't supposed to still be at Keating when the attack occurred. McChrystal wanted to shut isolated bases and have U.S. forces focus on more populated areas in Afghanistan to protect civilians. Keating was to be closed in July or August of 2009. But the move was delayed when equipment and supplies needed to move the troops and their material were diverted to support operations by Afghan security forces in another area.

Keating was shut down three days after the attack.

Afghan troops ran and hid during deadly attack, investigation finds - The Globe and Mail
 
Afghanistan: 57 killed, 78 US vehicles wrecked in Mujahideen attack on one of the largest ever supply convoys

A recent report from Wardag province sates as many as 32 fuel trucks got burned down and more that 40 oil tankers with 6 military rangers were left fully wrecked, whereas more that 25 security guards, 30 drivers and two puppets of ANA were killed with several dozens fatally wounded during a five-hour long fighting that was underway aiming at one of the largest US-NATO invaders military supply convoys in different parts of Wardag province’s Syedabad district including Sheikhabad, Taaj Bagi, Aka Khel, Mamli Khel, Salar, Yousuf Khel and so on.

One of the Mujahids has been wounded, while the rest safely returned, the report pointed out, adding that Mujahideen seized some arms and ammo from the possession of the enemies.

More details in this upcoming Afghan War Coverage report inshAllah.
 
1500 dead. About as much as Tarawa, an island in the Pacific, size of a town and took three days. We may tire of trying to rebiuld, and any casualties are tragic.. butif you islamist hope that the casualty list will shock us, you will have to do better. ( and don't criy "wounded" at me, we had wounded at Tarawa too)
 
1500 dead. About as much as Tarawa, an island in the Pacific, size of a town and took three days. We may tire of trying to rebiuld, and any casualties are tragic.. butif you islamist hope that the casualty list will shock us, you will have to do better. ( and don't criy "wounded" at me, we had wounded at Tarawa too)

I wonder what ever happened to the Admin and mods that said awhile back that Terrorist supporters would not be tolerated on this site.
 
I believe its time this thread is closed.
 
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