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Russian Politician Wants Liaoning Aircraft Carrier Back That China Purchased From Ukraine

The Fujian, launched on June 17, has a conventional propulsion system not suited to prolonged operation in the high seas, because of the regular refuelling and maintenance involved
China’s naval nuclear reactor technology is not advanced enough to support an aircraft carrier, according to observers


Indian navy pilots can actually land fighters on the deck of aircraft carrier. As opposed to PLAN that has needed Russian pilots to do deck landings on its flat-tops. Some humility is indeed in order....


I guess. Russian pilots have to teach Indians how to use carriers at night. isn't it? Although I don't know when Russian pilots have the ability to take off and land fighter jets on aircraft carriers at night. lol.
 
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Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning

When the erstwhile Soviet Union disintegrated, Ukraine sold the Kuznetsov-class cruiser carrier to China. More than two decades later, a Russian political party has made a pitch to the Russian government to buy back the aircraft carrier from Beijing.

On January 5, a leader of the Russian Liberal Democratic Party, Sergey Karginov suggested that the Russian government buy back the Soviet aircraft carrier that Ukraine had previously sold to China, RIA Novosti reported.

The Liberal Democratic Party is a right-wing, ultranationalist party that supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Karginov told the media: “The unfinished aircraft carrier Varyag was handed over to Ukraine and then sold to China to convert it into a casino. After China received the ship, it completed its construction and renamed it the Liaoning ship. The ship was originally supposed to become one of the main ships of the USSR.
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Sergey Karginov
He suggested that the Russian government buy the aircraft carrier from China and induct it into service in the name of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the founder of his party who died last year. Zhirinovsky was an ultra-nationalist politician who shared Vladimir Putin’s disdain for Ukraine and other former Soviet countries.
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Varyag Aircraft Cruise Carrier

Karginov made a very blunt suggestion saying, “After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine preferred to sell it, in fact, for a price of a few bottles of vodka or price of scrap metal. Given the current situation, I propose that Russia buy this aircraft carrier from China, in the name of Zhirinovsky, the founder of the Liberal Democratic Party, and make it the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.”

The call for inducting the Liaoning carrier into the Black Sea Fleet is significant as the naval force stationed here has been pivotal in launching attacks against Ukraine. The pitch coincidentally comes when Ukraine has said there is currently just one Russian vessel with no Kalibr cruise missile in the Black Sea.

In addition, Ukraine has sporadically launched attacks against Crimea and the Sevastopol Port, which is home to Russia’s Black Sea fleet.
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Varyag during refitting

It may be a far-fetched idea to purchase China’s first-ever aircraft carrier Liaoning. However, it may be worth going back into the history of how China devised a master plan to acquire the vessel from Ukraine and went completely rogue in the process.

How China Acquired Its First Aircraft Carrier?
China launched its first aircraft carrier Liaoning named after a Chinese province in 2012. The vessel was a refurbished Soviet Kuznetsov-class cruiser carrier purchased in an incomplete state.

Due to its potent arsenal of 12 P-700 Granit anti-ship missile systems, Kuznetsov was technically classified as an “aircraft-carrying cruiser.” This technicality was crucial since the Montreux Convention forbade “aircraft carriers” from traveling from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean via the Bosporus Strait if they weighed more than 15,000 tons.

The second ship in its class, the Varyag, was barely two-thirds finished in Ukraine before the fall of the Soviet Union because it lacked weapons and electrical equipment. When work on the project ended in 1992, the cash-strapped Ukrainian government tried everything in its power to sell the 55,000 tons of useless metal decaying in its Mykolaiv shipyard.

The PLA Navy desired the Varyag, and the team was dispatched by Beijing to inspect it and advised to buy it. However, the Chinese leadership was concerned that acquiring a carrier might exacerbate tensions when the country was looking for foreign investors and opening its economy significantly. The People’s Liberation Army hatched a plan to purchase without raising eyebrows in the West.

In 1996, a group of PLA officers led by intelligence chief Gen. Ji Shengde approached Xu Zengping, a former PLA basketball player who had turned into a successful businessman organizing international events. The strategy was to have Xu purchase the carrier under his name, presumably so that it might serve as a casino. This would eliminate any scope of suspicion on the PLA.

Xu traveled to Ukraine in January 1998 and met with the proprietors of the shipyard. He agreed to buy the carrier for $20 million after four days of negotiations during which massive bribes were offered. The payment was made almost a year later with a late fee of $10 million superimposed on the negotiated amount.

The PLA had decided that the PLA Navy would later acquire and assemble the aircraft after the political environment had improved. A two-part news story revealed the plan by the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post in 2015.

After years of dilly-dallying and several obstructions related to its shipping to China, the carrier finally arrived at the port of Dalian in the province of Liaoning in March 2002. It was placed in a dry dock three years later to enable a thorough refurbishment operation, which included sandblasting away all the rust and restoring and fitting the engines in 2011.

The carrier was tailored to suit China’s requirements and was finally launched in 2012 and is now the mainstay of the PLA Navy. The Russian ultranationalist leader may want the carrier back, but it is doubtful that China would let go of a vessel acquired after several years of struggle and extensive planning.


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@Sharma Ji

:lol: :haha::omghaha::yay::chilli::victory::yahoo::lol::azn:

Foolish thought... More like a General political statement...
 
See how India boasts a Soviet light aircraft carrier that has been copied and assembled in 20 years. I can probably understand the Indian ignorance of aircraft carrier technology.

Indeed. Copying others' homework does not mean that you understand the materials and working principles.

Can you imagine India spending 20 years to copy the aircraft carrier to do such work?


no. This is beyond the capacity of Indians.

A country that has just learned to assemble aircraft carriers will talk about other aircraft carrier technologies. This is ridiculous. isn't it?

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@Sharma Ji

Not really...Chinese and Indian are not born knowing Aircraft carrier technology.

India is not having such resources and money as the Chinese navy has leverage.

Indian navy can't order the 2nd Aircraft carrier, pending for a decade. Making the infrastructure for such heavy shipbuilding is still not economical for India. We don't have enough money to spend on it..
 
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Can you imagine India spending 20 years to copy the aircraft carrier to do such work?
I agree. Indian copying skills are worse than that of Chinese.

China is miles ahead in copying and reproducing stuff at an unmatched pace. Salute.

This thread does appear to be a dubious one. No nation would resort to such a thing.
 
The Fujian, launched on June 17, has a conventional propulsion system not suited to prolonged operation in the high seas, because of the regular refuelling and maintenance involved
China’s naval nuclear reactor technology is not advanced enough to support an aircraft carrier, according to observers


Indian navy pilots can actually land fighters on the deck of aircraft carrier. As opposed to PLAN that has needed Russian pilots to do deck landings on its flat-tops. Some humility is indeed in order....


I have never seen a Russian pilot on a Chinese carrier.

But I have videos of Russian pilots landing on the Vikramaditya:

Russia has to teach Indians how to use the Vikramaditya -- which because it is port-bound for years on end hardly get used by Indians anyways.

And why would an Indian be talking carriers when India has no operational carrier at the moment?

The last time an Indian pilot flew off a ship's deck was two years ago. lol
 
Not really...
"India has decades of experience operating carrier aviation forces while China is still learning,” said John Bradford, the Singapore analyst
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I agree. Indian copying skills are worse than that of Chinese.

China is miles ahead in copying and reproducing stuff at an unmatched pace. Salute.

This thread does appear to be a dubious one. No nation would resort to such a thing.
Indeed. It's not just copying. Even assembly in India is terrible. India cannot even assemble a qualified aircraft carrier.

Would you expect India to assemble a super aircraft carrier like China's 003?

think about it. It takes India 20 years to assemble and copy a small aircraft carrier.
 
India is not having such resources and money as the Chinese navy has leverage.

Indian navy can't order the 2nd Aircraft carrier, pending for a decade. Making the infrastructure for such heavy shipbuilding is still not economical for India. We don't have enough money to spend on it..

 
This is a good example of how copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material. The US carriers that use EM catapults are nuclear powered, meaning there is almost an unlimited amount of electrical power available and makes sense. Nuclear-powered Ford and Nimitz-class ships have much more free storage capacity so they can store more jet fuel, weapons, and so on. While the Chinese carrier is fossil fueled so it normally would have an excess amount of steam and therefore should use steam catapults instead. The EM cats require vast amounts of electricity, meaning you'll be stressing the boilers to drive generators for electricity (losing efficiency) to use the cats. This will limit the sortie rates and cause more frequent fuel replenishment (thus limiting range or station time). This carrier is far from being operational anytime soon. The Chinese do have experience with carrier operations they have been for the past 10 years. But going from a ramp style to a catapult launch system is a very large step and one they are not familiar with.
US navy has been using catapult launch for decades and are the best in the world in carrier operations. Not just in ship board operations but also in aviation operations. China's propulsion technology is still several generations behind


May I ask, what's your intention with this post and thread? You post a simply ridiculous story from an Ultra-nationalist Russian idiot and immediately start to bash the CHinese for stupid things!
May I remind you to take a look at this mess and then start thing stones while sitting in a glass-house?

So much on being "behind"! :omghaha:

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"India has decades of experience operating carrier aviation forces while China is still learning,” said John Bradford, the Singapore analyst
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With a carrier force that is not worth the name of a carrier force, a carrier that was barely out at lea, with pilots barely ahving opertaional carrier-borne experiences on a fighter the IN itself want to get rid off!??

Wow
 
"India has decades of experience operating carrier aviation forces while China is still learning,” said John Bradford, the Singapore analyst
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I agree. Indian copying skills are worse than that of Chinese.

China is miles ahead in copying and reproducing stuff at an unmatched pace. Salute.

This thread does appear to be a dubious one. No nation would resort to such a thing.
Tell you a secret. Even the students of China Naval Aviation University are more professional than Indian pilots.

News title: Students of the Chinese Naval Aviation University take the qualification examination for night carrier-based aircraft takeoff and landing.


I'm glad to see that Indians only understand aircraft carriers as "copy and assembly"
 
Even assembly in India is terrible.
Our manufacturing isn’t as fast as China. Labour laws and other factors don’t allow us to make the timelines as in China.
India cannot even assemble a qualified aircraft carrier.
Indian Carriers are not Carriers? That sounds like a fanboy statement.

University are more professional than Indian pilots.
Ohh is it? Hail China and it’s universities.
I throw in my arms and surrender. Scared of your universities.
 
With a carrier force that is not worth the name of a carrier force, a carrier that was barely out at lea, with pilots barely ahving opertaional carrier-borne experiences on a fighter the IN itself want to get rid off!??

Wow
Your one is a stolen design and unlicensed development based on a t10k-3 prototype of the Su33 flanker D
There are multiple flaws in the design of j15 resulting in four known and multiple unknown crashes. It is confirmed that unstable flight control systems were the key factor behind the at least two fatal accidents couple of years ago
 

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