Russian Politician Wants Liaoning Aircraft Carrier Back That China Purchased From Ukraine

[GiantPanda]

"India has decades of experience operating carrier aviation forces while China is still learning,” said John Bradford, the Singapore analyst
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Please, India's experience is worth less than what a child learns in pre-school.

It certainly didn't help India maintain a working carrier arm!

New Delhi: The elite fighter pilots of the Indian Navy have not landed on an aircraft carrier for nearly two years and the wait is expected to get longer with the first landing on-board the INS Vikrant likely to take place only early next year

Why Indian Navy pilots haven’t landed on an aircraft carrier in 2 yrs & won't anytime soon

While INS Vikramaditya's repair and refit process is delayed, landing on aircraft carrier INS Vikrant will likely take place early 2023. Meanwhile, naval pilots train on a shore-based test facility in Goa.

theprint.in

 

[renhai]

Our manufacturing isn’t as fast as China. Labour laws and other factors don’t allow us to make the timelines as in China.

Indian Carriers are not Carriers? That sounds like a fanboy statement.

Oh, no. This has nothing to do with the labor law. Only India in the world needs 20 years to assemble small aircraft carriers.

Only relevant to the industrial base. Technology accumulation and personnel quality. and may involve bureaucratic corruption.

 

[LeGenD]

@waz @LeGenD Please do something about this nonsense thread title.

Eurasian Times article cited and its title is used. I do not recommend this source but some members use it.

 

[renhai]

Ohh is it? Hail China and it’s universities.
I throw in my arms and surrender. Scared of your universities.

Just curious. Can Indian carrier pilots take off and land at night?

 

[walterbibikow]

Please, India's experience is worth less than what a child learns in pre-school.

It certainly didn't help India maintain a working carrier arm!

New Delhi: The elite fighter pilots of the Indian Navy have not landed on an aircraft carrier for nearly two years and the wait is expected to get longer with the first landing on-board the INS Vikrant likely to take place only early next year

Why Indian Navy pilots haven’t landed on an aircraft carrier in 2 yrs & won't anytime soon

While INS Vikramaditya's repair and refit process is delayed, landing on aircraft carrier INS Vikrant will likely take place early 2023. Meanwhile, naval pilots train on a shore-based test facility in Goa.

theprint.in

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611993529815031810

 

[renhai]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611993529815031810

The Indian aircraft carrier uses the "super stealth" MiG 29K

 

[GiantPanda]

India had not launched an operational sortie from a carrier in two years.

This is China's carriers just last two weeks:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609927565749194757

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609778820697194498

 

[TopGun786]

The Fujian, launched on June 17, has a conventional propulsion system not suited to prolonged operation in the high seas, because of the regular refuelling and maintenance involved

China’s aircraft carrier No 4 not likely to be nuclear-powered: analysts

China’s naval nuclear reactor technology is not advanced enough to support an aircraft carrier, according to observers.

www.google.com

China’s naval nuclear reactor technology is not advanced enough to support an aircraft carrier, according to observers


Indian navy pilots can actually land fighters on the deck of aircraft carrier. As opposed to PLAN that has needed Russian pilots to do deck landings on its flat-tops. Some humility is indeed in order....

Dude... Seriously???
Believe me there are many sensible Indians on this forum,,,,have a mercy on your fellow countrymen. Don't embarrass them. Do not make comment on the things that you don't know.

 

[Deino]

Your one is a stolen design and unlicensed development based on a t10k-3 prototype of the Su33 flanker D
There are multiple flaws in the design of j15 resulting in four known and multiple unknown crashes. It is confirmed that unstable flight control systems were the key factor behind the at least two fatal accidents couple of years ago

And all what you said is plain wrong and proves you know nothing but all you can is re-babbeling stupid wrong claims.
Neither is the J-15 based on a flawed design, nor does it have an unstable FCS and there have not been "multiple crashes" - at least not more what can be expected during a most intensive process of build-up and training and surely less than the IAF and IN has!

And two fatal crashes - indeed one related to a FCS failure and one after a bird strike - is hih when you operate almost 100 J-15s since years? I'm pretty sure the MiG-29K has a higher failure and loss rate per flight hours than the J-15.

But please stick to your propaganda and continue to make a fool out of yourself.

 

[GiantPanda]

Seriously, indeed. India lost five MiG-29Ks in the past four years and it hadn't even been operating a carrier for two of those years!

And India only has 45 MiG-29Ks to begin with that hardly do any operational sorties. The J-15s on Shandong and Liaoning just during the last few weeks probably took-off and trapped on ship more than the Indian MiG-29Ks had in their entire lifetimes. And the Chinese carriers do about 7 tours a year each.

The J-15 is an extremely robust aircraft by any measure. But especially compared to the MiG-29K in Indian hands.

Indian Navy reports crash of fifth MiG-29K in four years

An Indian Navy Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K crashed in the Arabian Sea on 12 October.

www.janes.com

 

[walterbibikow]

Neither is the J-15 based on a flawed design, nor does it have an unstable FCS and there have not been "multiple crashes"

From the article:
The J-15 is too heavy to operate efficiently from carriers, has problems with its flight control systems, has crashed several times, and more, Sputnik reported

Russia rips China's J-15 fighter jet, which Beijing stole from Moscow

The J-15 is too heavy to operate efficiently from carriers, has problems with its flight control systems, which has led to several crashes, and more, Sputnik reported.

www.google.com

China Looks To Replace Its J-15 Carrier Fighter Jets Amid Reports Of Crashes

The People's Liberation Army Navy will need significantly more jets anyway if they want to make good use of their new carriers.

www.thedrive.com

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” a source told the SCMP
Indeed, during two of the incidents which resulted in J-15 crashes, the SCMP said the “flight control system was breaking down” on approach to the runway during Field Carrier Landing Practices (FCLP). That might suggest the J-15’s flight control laws are vulnerable to pilot induced oscillations or any number of other problems

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According to the SCMP, there have been at least four J-15 crashes that have resulted in at least one fatality and one case of serious injury due to what has been described as a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures.”

 

[Sharma Ji]

Both are Russian origin based carriers BUT one is Banta fodder sh!t while other is State of art latest cutting edge Technology.

hor chuppo

 

[walterbibikow]

And two fatal crashes - indeed one related to a FCS failure and one after a bird strike - is hih when you operate almost 100 J-15s since years?

50 J-15s not 100. Please don't embarrass yourself anymore

 

[VkdIndian]

Just curious. Can Indian carrier pilots take off and land at night?

Nope. Indian navy pilots have never landed on a carrier. They land only on land based runways.
They have been trying hard but have failed badly till now.
I wish they were half as good as Chinese pilots. Even your university students are better than Indian pilots as brought out by you. Great achievement by Xi.

 

[renhai]

Nope. Indian navy pilots have never landed on a carrier. They land only on land based runways.
They have been trying hard but have failed badly till now.
I wish they were half as good as Chinese pilots. Even your university students are better than Indian pilots as brought out by you. Great achievement by Xi.

Indeed.