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CNN) -- The Taliban have met with U.S. officials to discuss possible peace talks, but do not want to negotiate with Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government, a Taliban spokesman said Tuesday.

The spokesman's comments, rejecting a key American condition, could potentially derail American efforts for Afghans to reach a negotiated end to the decade-long war.

In an e-mail response to questions from CNN, Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid denied previous reports that the Taliban had been invited to meet with the Karzai government in Saudi Arabia, saying that talks with what he called a "puppet" government were pointless.

"We have never been asked to attend talks with Karzai administration officials in Saudi Arabia, but even if we are asked to attend, we won't because (the) Karzai government is a puppet and unauthorized, and meeting with them will not be beneficial in solving the issue," Mujahid wrote in a message from an e-mail account regularly used by the Taliban to issue statements.

The spokesman, in answers that he said had taken some time to consider, said the Taliban wanted direct discussions with the Americans.

"The issue is...who is powerful and has got the power to make a decision, and who hasn't, and everyone around the world knows that the one who has got the authority in opposition to the Mujahideen (the Taliban) is America," he wrote.

The e-mail also contained the Taliban's first open recognition that they have met with U.S. officials in Qatar.

The spokesman said: "The representatives of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan have had trust-building meetings with an American delegation in Qatar."

U.S. officials have been trying to jump start peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan officials through secret discussions over the past year.

The nascent process has been marred by dissatisfaction from the Afghan government that they were not included at the start.

The Taliban's demand to talk with U.S. officials and not the Karzai administration throws a wrench in the U.S. State Department's demand that all talks be Afghan-led and Afghan-owned.

Mujahid's statement went on to add that the Taliban sought confidence-building measures from the Americans for talks to proceed.

"The trust-building phase is totally up to Americans," the spokesman wrote, "and they have to take measures and our conditions are as follows: Exchange of Guantanamo prisoners, the establishment of political office (in Qatar), removing the sanction lists of the UN (against Taliban figures)."

Mark Thornburg, acting U.S. Embassy spokesman in Kabul, said officials would not comment on individual statements from the Taliban.

"However, as Ambassador (Marc) Grossman said during his last visit to Kabul, the ultimate goal of our efforts has been and remains to create the conditions for a peace process among Afghans," Thornburg said. "The United States, regional countries and the international community have repeatedly reaffirmed their support for an Afghan peace process to bring Afghans together to decide and chart a better future for Afghanistan."
 
The ultimate aim of Taliban is to capture the seat in Kabul and establish Islamic Emirate. Karzai is a weak puppet and the power lies in the hands of the warlords backed by different countries and parties. Of course Taliban will not talk with Karzai as Taliban believe Karzai will leave as soon as US/NATO leaves. Anyway, US/NATO will not leave Afghanistan completely and will have bases all over the country with mobile units which will confront any hostile forces. So Taliban can't dream of gaining the same power they had before US/NATO came to Afghanistan.
 
The ultimate aim of Taliban is to capture the seat in Kabul and establish Islamic Emirate. Karzai is a weak puppet and the power lies in the hands of the warlords backed by different countries and parties. Of course Taliban will not talk with Karzai as Taliban believe Karzai will leave as soon as US/NATO leaves. Anyway, US/NATO will not leave Afghanistan completely and will have bases all over the country with mobile units which will confront any hostile forces. So Taliban can't dream of gaining the same power they had before US/NATO came to Afghanistan.

Without a puppet government in place, having small bases and mobile units would be suicidal. Right now they are unable to prevent attacks on their forces, how are they going to with a hostile non receptive government in Kabul?
 
Without a puppet government in place, having small bases and mobile units would be suicidal. Right now they are unable to prevent attacks on their forces, how are they going to with a hostile non receptive government in Kabul?

Taliban will not be able to control 90% of Afghanistan this time around. At most they might control the pashtun dominated areas. The days of Taliban dominance are over. The Northern Alliance is much better equiped. They have more power today than ever before. Even wihtout their charismatic leader Massoud, they are no push over. The best Taliban can hope for is to come to a compromize and join the government and the country to be ruled by Sharia law.

It would be suicidal for Taliban to attack American bases. The American air power means Taliban will not able to gather in large numbers because they will become targets of American drones. Afghanistan has signed an agreement with America so I doubt there will be hostile non receptive government in Kabul, maybe only on paper.
 
Why not Taliban will be apart of the new Afghanistan one way or another , Personally Afghanistan needs the Population Exchange for example sending Tajiks and Uzbek to their native countries.
 
Taliban will not be able to control 90% of Afghanistan this time around. At most they might control the pashtun dominated areas. The days of Taliban dominance are over. The Northern Alliance is much better equiped. They have more power today than ever before. Even wihtout their charismatic leader Massoud, they are no push over. The best Taliban can hope for is to come to a compromize and join the government and the country to be ruled by Sharia law.

It would be suicidal for Taliban to attack American bases. The American air power means Taliban will not able to gather in large numbers because they will become targets of American drones. Afghanistan has signed an agreement with America so I doubt there will be hostile non receptive government in Kabul, maybe only on paper.

the Afghans need to learn how to form coalitions instead of warlords representing ethnic groups trying to conquer their own lands/country
 
Yes they shouldn't talk because Karzai isn't an authorized master/creator of Taliban; well done Taliban you trust USA more than your own blood brothers that shows how traitor you are to your land, Emirate or whatever you want is a dream now; enjoy support from some people today but once you are no use for them you will be kicked by your own supporters/donors.

War has no solution they should come and talk face to face; they don't have the momentum which they had in 2009.
 
Why not Taliban will be apart of the new Afghanistan one way or another , Personally Afghanistan needs the Population Exchange for example sending Tajiks and Uzbek to their native countries.

What an example! if this can be applied to Tajiks and Uzbeks then why not to almost every other country on this planet and starting just from our own neighborhoods?

keep your advises with yourself sir!

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the Afghans need to learn how to form coalitions instead of warlords representing ethnic groups trying to conquer their own lands/country

Today our problem is not Taliban but these f*cking warlords who have created a lot of mess inside and outside the government.
 
What an example! if this can be applied to Tajiks and Uzbeks then why not to almost every other country on this planet and starting just from our own neighborhoods?

keep your advises with yourself sir!

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Today our problem is not Taliban but these f*cking warlords who have created a lot of mess inside and outside the government.

They don't belong their also the Sunni-Shia divide played a big part remember the Taliban killed Shia's, it can't because other countries are not Trash heeps like Afghanistan, there will be a big tension between Tajiks against the Pushtuns. Greece and Turkey had population Exchange and came out well.
 
They don't belong their also the Sunni-Shia divide played a big part remember the Taliban killed Shia's, it can't because other countries are not Trash heeps like Afghanistan, there will be a big tension between Tajiks against the Pushtuns. Greece and Turkey had population Exchange and came out well.

How come Tajiks and Uzbeks are shia? eh

Germans are most racist people on the earth and have polluted this planet since their existence. Go learn some history and save your f*cking euro.
 
How come Tajiks and Uzbeks are shia? eh

Germans are most racist people on the earth and have polluted this planet since their existence. Go learn some history and save your f*cking euro.

Actually no the racism is in afghanistan, you have taliban we kill shia's and examples such as Hazara getting pulled over by the taliban and getting shot. I know the truth is hard but you have to accept them sometimes.
 
Actually no the racism is in afghanistan, you have taliban we kill shia's and examples such as Hazara getting pulled over by the taliban and getting shot. I know the truth is hard but you have to accept them sometimes.

Hazaras are not Tajik, Uzbek kiddo; you better think twice before you reply.
 
the Afghans need to learn how to form coalitions instead of warlords representing ethnic groups trying to conquer their own lands/country

Afghanistan because of its geography has always be a decentralized state since its inception. The different regions of the country are disconnected from each other so there is always oppurtunity for local warlord to create their own little kingdoms because central government is so weak. The lack of central authority has caused these problems. The lack of a strong army and institutions are the reason for this situation and our neighbours also haven't helped by backing different factions.
 
Why not Taliban will be apart of the new Afghanistan one way or another , Personally Afghanistan needs the Population Exchange for example sending Tajiks and Uzbek to their native countries.

Tajiks are natives of this land now called Afghanistan and hazaras have been living here since the time of mongols. Tajiks are the descendents of Bactrians, Soghdians, Arians and other older Iranic tribes. Its their native land. The modern country of Tajikistan was created by the USSR. The border in that part of the world don't make much sense. While you have Afghanistan (land of Afghans(pashtuns)), more Afghans(pashtuns) live in Pakistan than Afghanistan 0.o. More Tajiks live in Afghanistan than Tajikistan 0.o. These boundries created by colonialists are just lines on paper. They will be removed soon and harmony shall prevail.
 
What an example! if this can be applied to Tajiks and Uzbeks then why not to almost every other country on this planet and starting just from our own neighborhoods?

keep your advises with yourself sir!

no i wont, because this is a forum.


Today our problem is not Taliban but these f*cking warlords who have created a lot of mess inside and outside the government.

your problem is corruption and poverty...we have similar problems on our side. Hell, so does the whole sub-continent.

Afghans have only seen war. It's a vicious cycle.


sooner or later, Afghans need to set aside their stupid ethnic rivalries.....this is where Islam should help unite people, regardless of their stupid languages or ethnicities. These stupid secondary things should not get in the way of national unity.



as for Pakistan -- well you people often blame us for all your miseries. That's your biggest problem.
 

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