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The Talibanisation of British childhood by hardline parents

By Yasmin Alibhai-brown
Last updated at 9:54 AM on 5th August 2010

Last November, on the steps of Tate Britain, I witnessed a scene that troubles me still.

A furious Asian father was shaking his young son and tearing up the picture his child had drawn.

The boy kicked and cried. Recognising my face from TV appearances I had made as a commentator on current affairs, the father came across to say 'hello'.

So I asked him what his child had done that had made him so angry. He explained that according to his Islamic mentors, drawing pictures of people was forbidden.
I was flabbergasted. After all, this was in the middle of Britain's multi-cultural capital - a modern metropolis, not some dusty backstreet in Kabul.

What harm can there be in a picture?

So I asked the man if he owned a camera. 'Yes,' he replied. 'And a video camera.'

So why, I asked, was it acceptable for him to take pictures, but not for his child to draw a stick figure?

'The madrasa teacher told me children are not allowed to,' he said, referring to the places of religious instruction for Muslim children, which are the equivalent of Sunday schools for Christians.

'I am not an educated man, so I must listen to them.'


You might think this encounter was a case of an ill-educated parent misinterpreting the teachings of his elders.

Alas, in the past year I have come to realise his attitude towards his child is far from unique.

Such fundamentalist beliefs about parenthood are not uncommon. In private, teachers, lecturers, community, youth and social workers have told me many more such stories of the suppression of simple childhood pleasures in the name of Islam.

An investigation by the BBC revealed one London school where more than 20 Muslim pupils had been removed from music lessons because their parents felt such teaching to be anti-Islamic.

Another one- off? No, the Muslim Council of Britain confirmed that music lessons are likely to be 'unacceptable' to 10 per cent of Muslims.

What should be a simple pleasure is instead seen by thousands of families as a symbol of moral decadence.

In my role as chair of the British Muslims for Secular Democracy (BMSD), which campaigns against fanaticism, many inner-city teachers have told me they feel paralysed by extreme demands.

Brainwashed Muslim parents ask school librarians not to lend their children storybooks. (Jacqueline Wilson, the former Children's Laureate, is targeted for 'leading children astray' with her stories that deal with contemporary social issues, such as single motherhood.)

Some Muslim children have been kept away from school visits to temples, churches and art galleries.

Teddy bears and pets are also branded un-Islamic.

How about the daughter of a relative of mine, who was having a birthday-party and invited all the girls in her class.

The Muslim pupils organised a boycott because she had invited 'unbelievers'.
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In one secondary school, a talented Muslim pupil was cast in the leading role in the George Bernard Shaw play Caesar And Cleopatra.

Her parents didn't seem to object, and all was going well until the dress rehearsal, when she turned up at school with bruises on her face, crying and refusing to go on stage.

The local imam had summoned her family and warned them that acting in plays was 'worse than whoredom'.

The father, an engineer, refused to be cowed, but the mother, scared of what people would say, beat her daughter and threatened to take her out of school (which she duly did).

In my role as chair of the BMSD, I am advising young people in such hard situations.

Take 13-year-old Femida, who lives in a refuge with her Jordanian mother, a wedding singer.

Her father, a convert to Islam, had become more and more authoritarian.

Mother and daughter fled after he took a hammer to the CD player and TV set, and tried to throttle his wife.

'He was screaming that he wanted to kill my voice so I could be a good Muslim,' says Femida.

I am also helping Sana, a beautiful, 20-year-old Somali woman. Her family was happy once. Her father, a teacher, believed in female emancipation.

They had books, radios and threw parties.

'I dress modestly, but I could buy nice clothes, wear earrings, dance,' she says.

Five years ago, her father died and her brother became head of the family.

At university, he had joined a radical Islamic society and Sana and her mother had to submit to his fanatical interpretation of Islam.

Sana has since had a breakdown.

I have met Muslim lawyers and academics who have turned to Taliban-style beliefs.

These men propagate Wahhabism - the joyless and backward Saudi belief system followed by Al Qaeda and espoused by hate preachers such as omar Bakri and his successor Anjem Choudary.

In 2003, Bakri told a journalist that their brand of Islam would get to increasing numbers of young minds and hearts.

It has - and to their parents, too.

The rapid spread of rigid, diehard Islam is deeply worrying. Yet those in power, focused on terrorist cells, seem oblivious to this other peril.

For many of us Muslims, this creeping Talibanisation of childhood is unendurable.

On September 10, 2001, in a newspaper column, I condemned the brutal Taliban rulers in Afghanistan, where girls and women, shrouded in full burkas, were beaten and denied health and education.

Joy was banished, as it was in China during the Cultural revolution. Unless stopped, I wrote, the Taliban would extend their reach beyond Afghanistan.

The very next day, Taliban-backed Al Qaeda operatives hijacked planes and brought down the Twin Towers.

The U.S., Britain and other allies went into Afghanistan to fight a war that goes on and on. Two reasons were given: to stop Al Qaeda and liberate the people from the oppressive regime.

I could never have imagined, nine years on, that the Taliban would be claiming to have 'won the war' in Afghanistan.

Or, much worse, that our politicians and Muslim 'leaders' here would allow their twisted ideology to spread across Britain.

Make no mistake, Taliban devotees are in our schools, playgrounds, homes, mosques, political parties, public service, private firms and universities.

And if we are to have any hope of combating them, we need to stop this attitude of appeasement and understand why so many Muslims are attracted to the most punishing forms of belief, suppressing women and children.

Eye-watering amounts of Saudi money goes into promoting Wahhabism.

They fund mosques, religious-schools, imams, conferences and trips to Saudi Arabia.

They are our wealthy allies and so are never questioned or stopped.

Free-thinking Muslims have lacked courage to oppose what is going on, while politicians do nothing for cynical reasons - best, they think, not to antagonise possible voters.

Meanwhile, the liberal position is to let people be and do what they wish within the law. Liberals tolerate the intolerable because they don't have to live with the consequences. Yet the problem is in part caused by liberal values.

Appalled by our excessively consumerist and permissive societies (as are many non- Muslims), Muslim families are trying to find ways to protect their children.

Samad Hussein, who runs a corner shop near my home, speaks for many when he says: 'When I first came to England, it was a nice country - polite, respectful.

‘People knew good behaviour. My older children had English friends, no problem.

'Now these girls, nearly naked in the roads, drinking and swearing, sex everywhere. I can't let my young daughters be like that.

‘So I send them to Muslim schools. I don't want to, but it is bad out there.'

The Wahhabi crusaders step in, exploit these fears and promise salvation.

They are as canny and persuasive as other cult leaders, and use modern technology to get to young people.

And then there is the connection with Muslim homelands, all of which are getting more Talibanised, Pakistan most of all.

The result is utterly corrosive, in particular for women and children who are paying the social price for fundamentalism.

Invaluable educational activities and ordinary pleasures are considered haram - sinful - by fathers and husbands.

Vulnerable as they are, children and young people cannot be expected to resist the rules and new order to protect their futures.

If this was happening in any other nation, we would be condemning it loudly.

Yet here, curtailed and deficient education endured by many Muslim children is seen as a religious entitlement, which, if opposed, apparently confirms Islamophobia.

Tolerant Muslims who fear and loathe the propagators of Bin Laden's Islam can see where this will lead.

Young British Muslims - too many of whom are way behind in educational achievements and at the bottom of the job market - will be affected unless we can find a way of stopping the ideologues.

The full burka has been banned in France (where the hijab - a headscarf - is also not allowed in schools) and other European nations will follow.

In Britain, where personal liberty is sacrosanct, such state actions would appear authoritarian.


To me, that hands-off approach makes no sense.

Why are we fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and indulging Taliban values here?

Even if it offends liberal principles, the powerful must find a way of stopping Islamicists from promulgating their distorted creed.

If they don't, the future is bleak for Muslims and the country. Many of us British Muslims care deeply about both.

The Talibanisation of British childhood by hardline parents | Mail Online
 
These arguments are all wrong. It is okay for orthodox or Sephardic Jews to hold on to their centuries old traditions, alienate themselves from society and hold extremist outdated beliefs yet still function fine for society. But Curses and Drone strikes on the family who want to give their children proper Islamic upbringing. Suddenly it becomes a political and social problem worthy of war. These are all cleverly crafted stories making a big deal out of absolutely nothing. Those who are in love with how the enemy is using media bias against their people by using religion as a leveraging tool should cross the border and switch sides. We don't need such people fighting for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, those who wish to call others extremists and stifle them in social life.
 
These arguments are all wrong. It is okay for orthodox or Sephardic Jews to hold on to their centuries old traditions, alienate themselves from society and hold extremist outdated beliefs yet still function fine for society.

Extremism in any way is wrong no one has brought in Jews get out of mindset that my evil is lower than yours, They may be function right for society but all these children that are mentioned above to vulnerable to extremist for the propagation of their nuisance


But Curses and Drone strikes on the family who want to give their children proper Islamic upbringing. Suddenly it becomes a political and social problem worthy of war. These are all cleverly crafted stories making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.

Really British families are drone striked? that new for me, you want to say that all the absurdity that stops children from simple pleasure is Islamic? A child can't even draw a few pics of his/her pleasure? we are not living in a stone age for the goodness sake

You can prove that these stories are all crafted? No you can't, you are only trying to escape it all by labeling it propaganda
 
There is a fine line between orthodoxy and militancy. I am not concerned about the rise of Islam in Europe like the rest of the racist crowd there. We have nothing to offer the west but our hardworking tax dollars. You know very well Dark Wave how Muslims are being treated in Britain. A few years ago it was fine to attend Islamic school, wear Hijab and get along fine. Now it is different, and now it seems out of some corners of our own populace, calls are being made to not only reform other Muslims, but abandon our faith to please others.
 
Mother and daughter fled after he took a hammer to the CD player and TV set, and tried to throttle his wife.

'He was screaming that he wanted to kill my voice so I could be a good Muslim,' says Femida.

Tradition of course. :disagree:
 
There is a fine line between orthodoxy and militancy.

may be but labeling these all as stories is not going to change the fact that all these children will be vulnerable to become terrorist tools, Period

You know very well Dark Wave how Muslims are being treated in Britain.

There are reasons behind this all, don't you think about that? Most of the Pakistanis in Britain have indulged themselves in crimes

i ask you again, is it haram for a Kid to draw a few pic? This is not Orthodoxy's this is
extreme case
 
Growing up in England they have a bigger chance of becoming tools for Mi6, the organization responsible for the secularization of Britain and responsible for making Islamic terrorists. I also do not condone when Mullahs brainwash and hijack children. But that is not happening in Britain.

contradictory statement, You say MI-6 is responsible for secularization of Britain when the very fact is that if it was not a secular state, Muslims would not not have been able to grow themselves into a sizable community & become members of Parliament

I also do not condone when Mullahs brainwash and hijack children. But that is not happening in Britain.

You seem to know better than writer or what?

But that is not happening in Britain. What they are doing is associating a puritanical practice of Islam with becoming a terrorist. This isn't right.

Again I am asking you do you think that making some pics for pleasure is also haram? whats not freaking haram for these people
 
There are quite a number of fundamentalist nutcases in the UK, whose only aim is to make England as an Islamic Emirate.

These guys give a very bad name to the Hardworking, peaceful muslims by their stupid exaggerations.
 
There are quite a number of fundamentalist nutcases in the UK, whose only aim is to make England as an Islamic Emirate.

These guys give a very bad name to the Hardworking, peaceful muslims by their stupid exaggerations.

So do you see these nutcases committing crimes and forcing the state into submission? The ones who do are imprisoned and we are fine with that. But majority of them are trying to preserve their identity. Not every fundamentalist is a terrorist.
 
The Muslims of parliament have to first join a Masonic lodge. This is how you are allowed to become a MoP. I am trying not to sound crazy but you can also find online how Mi6 has been cultivating terrorism.

**FACE PALM**

now tell me that Masonic Lodges are all satanist :hitwall: do you know that you just declared satanist the Pakistani-Brit politicians about which we are so proud

But majority of them are trying to preserve their identity. Not every fundamentalist is a terrorist.

so its about Identity Crisis? I see, 'while in rome do as romans do or simply get out of the rome'

Preservation of identity by denying children simple pleasure, WOW!
 
Muslims are being treated much better in UK then they are treated in their native countries.They should not act like traitors and not misuse the hospitality of British People.These turds should be prosecuted for treason.Thankfully other Paksitani Communities abroad are not so radical.I have plenty of Canadian-Pakistani friends and most of them are quite liberal and open minded.
 
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