TTP fighters infiltrate into Chitral and attempt to seize villages/posts 6/9/23

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Lol Pak can't even get large areas of Balochistan under it's control, you are talking about Wakhan.

You're breaking my heart....

 

[Signalian]

The DAWN article quoted ISPR, and that area was in Chitral, and quite a bit inland too, not a border area.

The way RAW operates, the way it sends it handles, the way it creates an agony in one secluded part - the elements are adding up.

 

[SaadH]

PA Doesn't operate Ford pickup trucks and it doesn't match any vehicle PA operates. Perhaps it could have been taken in Afghanistan which explains the truck, for now it seems unconfirmed.

Weren't you the one arguing the footage of TTP lightning up PA teen dabba with poor soldiers getting slaughtered wasn't from Pakistan?

Wait a little we are working on it

You sure Amreeka bahadur hasn't threatened you slaves with seizing your Popa John's joints if you get any dumb ideas?

 

[Signalian]

Assuming someone wants to clear them out

How will elections be delayed if there is no terrorists


Pakistan airforce and all those intelligence assets should be decommissioned

We can use that money to build a hydro dam since we can't do anything in Afghanistan even when Daddy isn't there.

Or is Paf afraid of Afghanistan airforce

Hope can be fulfilled, not fantasies of yours.

Hope is there, it will always be, not that military will give up control of the country but the country will become peaceful eventually. The operations are taking place and they will take place, some of those operations, you will never hear about, others will be released in media especially where Pakistan loses lives of soldiers. That will be told.

My dear Bengali Baba, you and your family may have said goodbye to old east Pakistan forever for a better hope in western Pakistan. Perhaps you think your family made the wrong choice, who knows. But hopefulness and negativity will only give you high blood pressure as days pass away. The more you become older, the more you will become colder. Maybe you have died inside already ? I don’t know. But Pakistan is alive, so it’s machinery and military. Just like RAW envisions breaking Pakistan into smaller pieces so then it only has China as a formal rival to contend with, you may envision through the dust cloud of negativity that sarcasm and hatred will help you transform the notion in your head that nothing can be done unless certain parameters are met.

Carry on then, dear Bengali Baba, the “ul” in “Islam” with the reminder of Zia of Zia-ul-Haq may forever remind us that spewing hatred drives us towards the gallows of hopelessness not towards the victory, even if that means walking into the valley of shadow of death.

 

[PanzerKiel]

@PanzerKiel

This recent news of 7 TTP killed, they were engaged inside Chitral ?

Yes. Remnants holed up, surrounded and hounded.

 

[Jango]

The way RAW operates, the way it sends it handles, the way it creates an agony in one secluded part - the elements are adding up.

Wouldn't blame them. They sense an opportunity here in our current internal mess.

 

[arjunk]

If PAF launches drone strikes then all Taliban lovers (of which there is no shortage of in ex-FATA and KP, and now even urban areas thanks to Taliban Khan cult following) will be out on the streets drawing parallels between PAF and evil Kaafir USAF drone strikes.

Last time PAF openly struck Afghanistan there were protests all over the Pasthun belt because the terrorists were living with their family members who also got hit.

TTP was created when Pakistan was declared kaafir after sided with US in its war against terror in Afghanistan.

The real problem is the Afghanistan lovers in Pakistan. Not the Taliban's military prowess.

If PAF launches drone strikes then all Taliban lovers (of which there is no shortage of in ex-FATA and KP, and now even urban areas thanks to Taliban Khan cult following) will be out on the streets drawing parallels between PAF and evil Kaafir USAF drone strikes.

Last time PAF openly struck Afghanistan there were protests all over the Pasthun belt because the terrorists were living with their family members who also got hit.

TTP was created when Pakistan was declared kaafir after sided with US in its war against terror in Afghanistan.

The real problem is the Afghanistan lovers in Pakistan. Not the Taliban's military prowess.

This is also why ISPR calls drone strikes "artillery" in press releases.

 

[Jango]

This is also why ISPR calls drone strikes "artillery" in press releases.

I always wondered that

 

[FuturePAF]

If PAF launches drone strikes then all Taliban lovers (of which there is no shortage of in ex-FATA and KP, and now even urban areas thanks to Taliban Khan cult following) will be out on the streets drawing parallels between PAF and evil Kaafir USAF drone strikes.

Last time PAF openly struck Afghanistan there were protests all over the Pasthun belt because the terrorists were living with their family members who also got hit.

TTP was created when Pakistan was declared kaafir after sided with US in its war against terror in Afghanistan.

The real problem is the Afghanistan lovers in Pakistan. Not the Taliban's military prowess.


This is also why ISPR calls drone strikes "artillery" in press releases.

Smart to call drone strikes as artillery. It doesn’t carry the same psychological effect, but this is also why we need the Z-10ME firing their guns and recording the fights. We may even need commandos going in and doing a snatch and grab, pulling miscreant leaders and putting them into prison; doing a “perp walk” to show the SSG can reach out and get them. Ultimately so we can bargain with their relatives for an end to hostilities. It’s a riskier strategy but one that could neutralize the threat in a way that doesn’t give any propaganda material to the sympathizers on our side of the border.

 

[TriptiD]

The way RAW operates, the way it sends it handles, the way it creates an agony in one secluded part - the elements are adding up.

I am curious how RAW sends militant into KP ? Where are they trained? Are they armed with Indian weapons ? Does Indian army support their infiltration?

 

[Jango]

Smart to call drone strikes as artillery. It doesn’t carry the same psychological effect, but this is also why we need the Z-10ME firing their guns and recording the fights. We may even need commandos going in and doing a snatch and grab, pulling miscreant leaders and putting them into prison; doing a “perp walk” to show the SSG can reach out and get them. Ultimately so we can bargain with their relatives for an end to hostilities. It’s a riskier strategy but one that could neutralize the threat in a way that doesn’t give any propaganda material to the sympathizers on our side of the border.

Agreed. We need to show some aggression and assertiveness rather than just rolling over. Look at how the Mexican army does it with cartel leaders, or Sri Lanka did. You do an intel based op, make some go pro videos, or at least general videos of the area pre op or post op, include the people into it.

Perhaps not cross border action or anything, but if we find some major terrorist leader, then make them an example of rather than hiding them somewhere in an ISI safe house or prison in some village. Do your interrogation, extract all intel and take action on that, then make him a psyops tool. That is what the ISI and ISPR should be focusing on rather than creating songs and nabbing twitter kids.

We did see an attempt at it with the Balochi guy, but we were still pandering to them by being all goody two shoes. Ajayen, rasta hai, wapis ajayen, ham bhatak gaye thay. No you weren't you moron, you took arms against the state and killed other people. Bhatakna hota hai keh larki nazar ajaye to us kay peechay bhago, not kill a guy.

Or on the flip side, perhaps our agencies fear that using those perp walk tactics

 

[FuturePAF]

Agreed. We need to show some aggression and assertiveness rather than just rolling over. Look at how the Mexican army does it with cartel leaders, or Sri Lanka did. You do an intel based op, make some go pro videos, or at least general videos of the area pre op or post op, include the people into it.

Perhaps not cross border action or anything, but if we find some major terrorist leader, then make them an example of rather than hiding them somewhere in an ISI safe house or prison in some village. Do your interrogation, extract all intel and take action on that, then make him a psyops tool. That is what the ISI and ISPR should be focusing on rather than creating songs and nabbing twitter kids.

We did see an attempt at it with the Balochi guy, but we were still pandering to them by being all goody two shoes. Ajayen, rasta hai, wapis ajayen, ham bhatak gaye thay. No you weren't you moron, you took arms against the state and killed other people. Bhatakna hota hai keh larki nazar ajaye to us kay peechay bhago, not kill a guy.

Or on the flip side, perhaps our agencies fear that using those perp walk tactics

Not fearful, but perhaps unimaginative when it comes to modern COIN. Modern COIN is an infinite endeavor that requires the finesse of western style police work and public relations, because they are adapted to a world where social media can create an impression that lingers.

Pakistan should be trying to learn from the Turks as well as perhaps the NYPD, the originators of the Perp walk; show the face to the media cameras, then bend his neck and walk him from the armored car or helicopter straight into court. See the videos of how they treated El Chapo Guzman. But you can’t release these people right away. Look at what happened when el chapo’s son was arrested and the government released him after the cartel pushed back.

These leaders should only be release after a treaty of surrender.

 

[Jango]

Not fearful, but perhaps unimaginative when it comes to modern COIN. Modern COIN is an infinite endeavor that requires the finesse of western style police work and public relations, because they are adapted to a world where social media can create an impression that lingers.

Pakistan should be trying to learn from the Turks as well as perhaps the NYPD, the originators of the Perp walk; show the face to the media cameras, then bend his neck and walk him from the armored car or helicopter straight into court. See the videos of how they treated El Chapo Guzman. But you can’t release these people right away. Look at what happened when el chapo’s son was arrested and the government released him after the cartel pushed back.

These leaders should only be release after a treaty of surrender.

My initial post missed it, but perhaps our agencies fear that this will be used as propaganda material by the enemy.

 

[TheSolution]

The real problem is the Afghanistan lovers in Pakistan. Not the Taliban's military prowess.

Exactly. Pakistanis are extreme cucks towards everyone especially the Muslim "bardarhood" countries, they literally are slaves towards them and still suck them off despite constant humiliation.

It's as if they have a kink for it, especially the Punjabis...

The state needs to simply stop promoting a narrative that produces cucks that suck up to every other Muslim state, but instead nationalists. Enough of these shameless brats that make every new country their father.

 

[FuturePAF]

My initial post missed it, but perhaps our agencies fear that this will be used as propaganda material by the enemy.

It has to be done carefully to not humiliate beyond the perp walk and only shooting at miscreants that are visibly shooting at our troops, so that went they are killed it will be shown as in the heat of battle.