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Turkey eyeing for new sphere of influence in Afghanistan






Turkey eyeing for new sphere of influence in Afghanistan

Afghanistan is all set for a new geopolitical game and is bracing for the advent of a new player, Turkey with the latter's grand potential ambitions and practices in West Asia.
Turkey has taken upon the task to secure Kabul Airport with the explicit backing of America despite the strong opposition of Taliban. While Ankara wants to secure Kabul Airport, behind this move there is an agenda: It seeks to create a new role for its strategic ambitions in West Asia and for which the place and geography is north of Afghanistan. Here is how.
Ankara has set out to incorporate Afghanistan in its "sphere of influence" potentially eying to roll out its influence into a new region stretching from Kabul to the borders of Central Asian states.
The contour of this ambition is the equivalence of strategic gaze fixed on a new region called "Southern Turkistan''. It came into light recently when some prominent pro-Turkish Uzbek elders urged the Taliban to give them an adequate share in power or else they would demand a new region named as "Southern Turkistan'' comprising north of Afghanistan with Kabul it's Capital. Without mincing words, Hikmet Cetin, Turkey’s former deputy prime minister and Nato’s former senior civilian representative for Afghanistan, says "Turkey has historical and moral responsibility to play a role in Afghanistan".
Since Turkey has a strong cultural and historical affinity with Turkic origin Afghan communities and Uzbek leader and warlord Gen Rashid Dostum is its closed proxy, the post-US Afghanistan offers a tempting opportunity for Ankara's strategic thinkers and practitioners to expand influence and project power.
The Turkish impending role in Afghanistan comes after Ankara's newly-gained confidence encapsulated in its robust successful expansionary strategic interventions in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Azerbaijan. Turkey is successful in employing levers across strategic, technological and tactical domains. For example, it has created its proxy non-state militias which it used in Idlib–Syria, Libya, Iraq and now plans to move to Afghanistan.
The US has already acquiesced to Ankara's demand whoever it wants to enlist in the protection of Kabul Airport including presumably its non-state militias out in Syria; in Afghanistan, it is already invested in Rashid Dostum and hence his private militia which is a ready force to be deployed wherever it deems fit. Then its suicide drone technology tipped the balance in favour of Azerbaijan in the latter's war with Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabakh disputed region.
With the thaw in relations with the US, stabilising the situation in its engagements in Syria, Libya and Iraq, Turkey is all prepared to unroll its game plan in Afghanistan. Here is how its mechanic will play out. Going forward, the Taliban in the wake of battlefield victories will unlikely give into maximalist demands by the present elements of the Kabul regime (including Rashid Dostum) who they consider as post 9/11 US proxies and a spent force leading to a potential stalemate. In other words, the Taliban's dialogue is linked with their preconceived mental framework i.e. not to concede a dominant role in power-sharing to the politicians monopolising Afghan state structure for the last two decades. It will snowball the two parties into a stalemate-like situation. The stalemate will coincide with no functioning government and as such all groups will be forced to rely on the use of militias.
This worse-case eventuality will morph into a bigger engagement for Turkey. Since it would be the only foreign but "resident" country in Afghanistan with its formidable military and strategic prowess, Ankara would have notionally carved the country in two halves, the north and the south. With Kabul as a capital, Turkey would seek a de facto "Southern Turkistan region'' indirectly managing the trade and border posts from Iran to CARs states to China. The Taliban will likely be pushed to the southern and western parts of Afghanistan as they would be denied tactical capture of important cities in the north by Turkey's air power.
Additionally, a contributing factor is the Kabul regime's balance of power being least sufficient to prevent the north of Afghanistan from falling into the Turkish strategic lap. The US is already realigned with Turkey's likely expanded role in Afghanistan. The last thing Washington wants is an Afghanistan hosting Chinese BRI/CPEC project and turning into a connectivity hub ultimately benefiting Russia, Iran, Pakistan and Beijing.
The whole potential geopolitical division of Afghanistan with mounting footprints of Turkey will likely employ the end of classic strategy–proxy warfare by all main players. The net outcome will surely be a civil war, Syrianisation of Afghanistan; even worse, geopolitics which have always been cold, calculated and ruthless, will heat up a notch with warfare technology this time around.
Turkey’s potentially expanded “sphere of influence” will likely set alarm bells in the neighbourhood of Afghanistan. This scenario will tempt GCC countries and Pakistan, in particular, to push back and mount across-domain counter-strategy. Notwithstanding, the Taliban strong opposition to any such eventuality, they have already signalled against any explicit Turkish role.
Regional countries, Iran, China and Russia having direct legitimate security interests in Afghanistan, will be watching Turkey's moves with suspicion, which could implicate their national security at some point in time. Since they have the highest stakes in the peace and stability of Afghanistan, the competing geopolitical interests and the imperatives of shared borders of these countries are at cross purposes with Turkey's ambitions and impending practices in West Asia. This will make conflict in Afghanistan inevitable.
Thus they will soon be scrambling for intervention to preempt Turkey's possible strategic foray into Afghanistan. And if Turkey creates an environment that leads to the notional or virtual division of the country along the line of "Southern Turkistan" and residual southern Afghanistan, it will certainly be a massive display of weakness of the geopolitical standing of bordering nations including Pakistan.
Meanwhile, in the immediate domestic situation of Afghanistan, Islamabad is facing a degree of pressure from the US to convince the Taliban for a Turkish role in securing Kabul Airport. A US diplomat in Islamabad put it succinctly: "Somebody has to guard that airport; it's got [to] happen or all the diplomatic missions will leave; (the) Taliban will accept it in the end because they don't want a mass exodus from Kabul". And Ankara wants to leverage its relationship with Pakistan (besides Qatar) to bridge between the Taliban and Turkey for a Turkish role in Kabul.
But Pakistan needs a two-pronged balancing act: first, tactically it has to eschew more pressure on the Taliban for the US/Turkish goal (Turkish deployment at the Airport). And second, Islamabad ought to avoid contributing (by default) to enacting any possible outcome of Turkey's grand ambition of "South Turkistan" in Afghanistan.
Jan Achakzai is a geopolitical analyst, a politician from Balochistan and ex-adviser to the Balochistan Government on media and strategic communication. He remained associated with BBC World Service. He is also Chairman of Institute of New Horizons (INH) & Balochistan. He tweets @Jan_Achakzai

 
Not true. Max 15% population is Turk unless you are including Hazaras who aren't Turk

Hazaras are Turco-Mongol but they are mostly Shia
and TALIBAN can not control Hazaras
 
The thing is, who appointed turkey as the spokesperson of all Turkic people, central Asians are so much more "Turkic" than Anatolia Turkey.

To be fair Turkey has more population than all other Turkic states combined even if people of Turkey are just Anatolians, Greeks, Armenians, etc who have been turkified linguistically. Turkey is the big brother of the Turkic world in a sense because of its size and power so maybe that's why they feel they are the spokesperson
Hazaras are Turco-Mongol but they are mostly Shia
and TALIBAN can not control Hazaras

Nope, wrong. Hazaras are mongols who speak Farsi an Iranian language but many Hazras have up to 50% Iranic genes so they don't look like typical mongols. There is no historical proof of Hazaras having anything to so with Turks.
I don't think Talibs will try to control them but rather give them local autonomy as long as they don't cause any problems like bringing Fatimiyoun and the likes and work too closely with Iran
 
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The thing is, who appointed turkey as the spokesperson of all Turkic people, central Asians are so much more "Turkic" than Anatolia Turkey.
Expect trouble in Xin Jiang from their presence…
 
To be fair Turkey has more population than all other Turkic states combined even if people of Turkey are just Anatolians, Greeks, Armenians, etc who have been turkified linguistically. Turkey is the big brother of the Turkic world in a sense because of its size and power so maybe that's why they feel they are the spokesperson
I wonder what does the central asian people think about that, I mean like they never put 16 turkic warriors behind their president. :woot:
 
Nope, wrong. Hazaras are mongols who speak Farsi an Iranian language but many Hazras have up to 50% Iranic genes so they don't look like typical mongols. There is no historical proof of Hazaras having anything to so with Turks

what about İranic genes ?


Hazaras are ultimately a result of several Turco-Mongol tribes mixing with the local population

even Pakistani Hazaras haplogroup C-M217 at 40% ( Mongolic ) and Haplogroup R1b at 32% ( Turkic )



Turkey and Afghanistan were only sovereign muslim countries in 1920s

ATATURK and King of Afghanistan AMANULLAH KHAN in 1928 ( both leader kicked British in the war of independence )
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The thing is, who appointed turkey as the spokesperson of all Turkic people, central Asians are so much more "Turkic" than Anatolia Turkey.
they appointed themselves :cheesy: :cheesy: :omghaha:
Expect trouble in Xin Jiang from their presence…
pakistan and china just announced a partnership for afghanistan i dont think turkey will have much success in afghanistan!
 
Expect trouble in Xin Jiang from their presence…
if our leaders can't deal with such minor issues, forget about dealing with the US in the next few decades, so it is how it is.:-)
 
if our leaders can't deal with such minor issues, forget about dealing with the US in the next few decades, so it is how it is.:-)
That’s why region solution and way forward for Afghanistan needs to be reached quickly.

That will disallow outside countries to use it to destabilize the region and stop it from achieving the economic potential which can be achieved through regional connectivity.
 
Expect trouble in Xin Jiang from their presence…
Worry about the terrorism in Pakistan right now You know, where a dozen of Chinese engineers just been murdered in your own backyard of Pakistan lol
if our leaders can't deal with such minor issues, forget about dealing with the US in the next few decades, so it is how it is.:-)
If China bothers us, there will be hell in your cities. Just ask Syria and Iraq
LOL look at this Afghan interpreter living in his USA.

Your daddy America couldn't touch Pakistan in 20 years. Daddy America wasn't alone and had the help of India and NATO forces. What are you going to do Afghan swine? You people beg for Pakistani ID cards and passports. Your kind are willing to sell limbs to live in Pakistan.

LOL your soldiers are shitting in their pants and deserting their posts as we speak. Many Afghan soldiers sought refuge in Pakistan LOL You think Erdogan is going to save you now?

You want to fight against a nuclear power and a military machine be my guest foolish Afghan. We will turn you into subatomic molecules. You are nothing with or without outside help.
Iran will not help their Iranic brothers Afghanistan ??:woot:
 
How interesting it is that Turkey seems to project this "exceptionlist" attitude nowadays.

Afghanistan isn't anyone's playground or property. Afghanistan belongs to the Afghans, period. All these NATO-yuppies, including Turkey, maybe thumping their chests right now. But in the near future, the sight they will witness, would be one of horror and disbelief.

From day one, every military that has ventured into Afghanistan as invaders, has always been too full of themselves and sure of their power. The thing is, what the Afghanistan Mujahideen have and the invaders do not, is something they (invaders) will not ever be able to attain.

At this pivotal moment in history, the most crucial aspect to Afghanistan, for Pakistan ..... is for Pakistan to establish a concerted and directed effort, toward peace and reconciliation between Afghans. Pakistan must recognize that addressing this issue of peace between the Afghans, cannot be achieved without engaging and establishing a solid understanding and cooperation with Iran.

Sectarian divide is the most crucial aspect of instability in Afghanistan. This has been exploited by all those who have tried to interfere in Afghanistan. Be it the Saudi-Wahhabis, be it America/Britain, be it Bharat or be it Turkey.

The greatest task for Muslims of the region, is to bring about a rapprochement between Shias and Sunnis of the region. We have to engage in constructive and productive discussion with Iran in order to bring an end to the bloodbath that is about to take place in Afghanistan.

No other country has more at stake in the Peace process in Afghanistan, other than Pakistan and Iran. And the day we Pakistanis and Iranians achieve this peace ..... huh, on that day the enemies of Islam shall quiver in their boots.

For there is nothing, I repeat ... nothing of substance in ethno-sectarian identity. This is what Islam vanquished when it arrived with Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, over one thousand four hundred years ago. Today Pakistan and Iran have a once in a lifetime opportunity to heal and bring together the Shias and Sunnis of Islam.

We have to do it, there is no other option, no other direction and no other thought.
 

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