US Seeks Vietnamese Base to Counter China

[India defense]

I feel US must have 2 airbase in India...One in Kashmir another in Arunanchal Pradesh

 

[shuttler]

Yeah right!

US could not win the war cause US has NO RIGHT and Vietnamese will stand for last. Not because, cause China support Viet Nam.

How China can defeat India when India Army getting "too close" to China Army, plus China just stands for a thief and India stand for Defense. Country first, Indian people will be the last man standing for China dare to touch India.

the indian mass was surprisingly a non entity during the Sino-indian war half a century ago!
they will go to their thousands nos of gods when the war is to break out between us!

 

[Relucent]

Have you seen how the 1967 nuke test was executed?



do you think Russia will not intervene?

Id say no Russia would do well not to come in...they have no direct interests ...and for what ?? Chinese misadventures??..hell no ...In fact there is gonna be no war...all sides have too much to loose.Trust me all this military maneuvering is only to keep peace rather than fight war. Deterrence is the word here

 

[Martian2]

Martian 2..why on earth would anybody think of taking on the combined might of USA INDIA ROK Vietnam ??? U in your senses??
U see the recent move to deploy 60% of us fleet in the pacific theater is to deter any aggression by china,and that is one hell of a deterrence.It is to mainly keep the Chinese on the talking table.No body here wants to attack China.On the other hand it will be stupid of China to use force.Your talk of defeating USA and punishing its allies is well only wishful thinking...not backed by actual might.
Honestly get off your castle in the air and look at the ground realities...China stands only to loose if it keeps on with this attitude.Ditch your attitude and try to live in peace.

This is not that hard to understand. The U.S. is a naval power. It is not a land-based power. On Eurasia, U.S. is weak.

U.S. was too terrified to fire a single cruise missile to help the Georgians.

I guarantee the U.S. will not lift a finger to help India or Vietnam. The United States has a policy of not helping losers. Outside intervention only occurs if they think you have a chance of winning. India and Vietnam are incredibly weak militarily and the PLA will overrun you in weeks before the first U.S. supply ship can dock.

You don't believe me?

Let me find the citation (see point #4 below) of the 1962 Sino-Indian War. India requested squadrons of fighters from the United States. The U.S. said "no." In fact, the United States didn't lend India a single bullet during the Sino-Indian War. China is like 100 times stronger today than in 1962. There is no way the U.S. would dare cross China for puny India or Vietnam.

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Four important lessons from 1962 Sino-Indian border war

1. When the People's Daily newspaper publishes an article warning you to back off, you better listen. It is a prelude to war. The Indians ignored the warning from the People's Daily in 1962 and they paid the price of defeat in the Sino-Indian border war.

This lesson is applicable today to Vietnam and the Philippines. After the People's Daily, Xinhua, and Global Times warned them of military action, Vietnamese and Filipino provocations in the South China Sea stopped.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On 22 September 1962, the People's Daily published an article which claimed that "the Chinese people were burning with 'great indignation' over the Indian actions on the border and that New Delhi could not 'now say that warning was not served in advance'."[37][38]
...
On 14 October, an editorial on People's Daily issued China's final warning to India: "So it seems that Mr. Nehru has made up his mind to attack the Chinese frontier guards on an even bigger scale....It is high time to shout to Mr. Nehru that the heroic Chinese troops, with the glorious tradition of resisting foreign aggression, can never be cleared by anyone from their own territory... If there are still some maniacs who are reckless enough to ignore our well-intentioned advice and insist on having another try, well, let them do so. History will pronounce its inexorable verdict... At this critical moment...we still want to appeal once more to Mr. Nehru: better rein in at the edge of the precipice and do not use the lives of Indian troops as stakes in your gamble." [38]"

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2. Chinese weaponry stationed across from Taiwan can be moved to the Indian sector. In 1962, China moved heavy artillery. In the current context, China can move 1,800 short-range ballistic missiles from the Taiwan sector for use against India.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Chinese attention was diverted for a time by the military activity of the Nationalists on Taiwan, but on 23 June the U.S. assured China that a Nationalist invasion would not be permitted.[30] China's heavy artillery facing Taiwan could then be moved to Tibet.[31] It took China six to eight months to gather the resources needed for the war, according to Anil Athale, author of the official Indian history.[31] The Chinese sent a large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet through the Indian port of Calcutta.[31]"

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3. PLA's blitzkrieg will slice through the enemy's best troops.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Marshal Liu Bocheng headed a group to determine the strategy for the war. He concluded that the opposing Indian troops were among India's best, and to achieve victory would require deploying crack troops and relying on force concentration to achieve decisive victory. On 16 October, this war plan was approved, and on the 18th, the final approval was given by the Politburo for a "self-defensive counter-attack", scheduled for 20 October.[2]
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At 5:14 am, Chinese mortar fire began attacking the Indian positions. Simultaneously, the Chinese cut the Indian telephone lines, preventing the defenders from making contact with their headquarters. At about 6:30 am, the Chinese infantry launched a surprise attack from the rear and forced the Indians to leave their trenches.[36]

The Chinese troops overwhelmed the Indians in a series of flanking manoeuvres south of the McMahon Line and prompted their withdrawal from Namka Chu.[36] Fearful of continued losses, Indian troops escaped into Bhutan. Chinese forces respected the border and did not pursue.[7] Chinese forces now held all of the territory that was under dispute at the time of the Thag La confrontation, but they continued to advance into the rest of NEFA.[36]
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Western theatre

On the Aksai Chin front, China already controlled most of the disputed territory. Chinese forces quickly swept the region of any remaining Indian troops.[42] Late on 19 October, Chinese troops launched a number of attacks throughout the western theatre.[8] By 22 October, all posts north of Chushul had been cleared.[8]"

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4. In 1962, the United States rejected India's plea for military jets. Today, China is a well-armed thermonuclear power. What are the chances that the United States would be willing to supply India with a single bullet in the next Sino-Indian border war?

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Involvement of other nations

During the conflict, Nehru wrote two desperate letters to JFK, requesting 12 squadrons of fighter jets. These jets were necessary to beef up Indian air strength so that an air war could be initiated safely from the Indian perspective. This request was rejected. According to former Indian diplomat G Parthasarathy, "only after we got nothing from the US did arms supplies from the Soviet Union to India commence." [57] In 1962, President of Pakistan Ayub Khan made clear to India that Indian troops could safely be transferred from the Pakistan frontier to the Himalayas.[58]"

 

[shuttler]

Id say no Russia would do well not to come in...they have no direct interests ...and for what ?? Chinese misadventures??..hell no ...In fact there is gonna be no war...all sides have too much to loose.Trust me all this military maneuvering is only to keep peace rather than fight war. Deterrence is the word here

wrong. If China goes down the next target is Russia! That is why the Russians are standing so strong against the NATO voting on Syria and Iran issues! China is much more closer to Russia in geographical location and other ties than Syria and Iran!

A Chinese proverb says: " if the lips are gone, the teeth would feel the immediate cold"

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

I feel US must have 2 airbase in India...One in Kashmir another in Arunanchal Pradesh

not a good idea.

 

[surya kiran]

This is not that hard to understand. U.S. is a naval power. It is not a land-based power. On Eurasia, U.S. is weak.

U.S. was too terrified to fire a single cruise missile to help the Georgians.



I guarantee the U.S. will not lift a finger to help India or Vietnam. The United States has a policy of not helping losers. Outside intervention only occurs if they think you have a chance of winning. India and Vietnam are incredibly weak militarily and the PLA will overrun you in weeks before the first U.S. supply ship can dock.



You don't believe me?

Let me find the citation of the 1962 Sino-Indian War. India requested squadrons of fighters from the United States. The U.S. said "no." In fact, the United States didn't lend India a single bullet during the Sino-Indian War. China is like 100 time stronger today than in 1962. There is no way the U.S. would dare cross China for puny India or Vietnam.

US need not 'cross' China for 'puny' India. We can take care of our selves today. And your country will not let go of 60 BN USD of international trade with India. Get real. The real politik is not handled by armchair warriors, but by seasoned diplomats in Beijing, thank god for that.

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(insert citation)

Eurasia? You must be the first person to say US is just a naval power and not a land power. Their SEAD technology is by far the best in the business. Same goes for their Airforce and space assets.

There is no defence protection pact between US and Georgia. Its only assistance. Japan and South Korea do have a defence pact. Guess what happened to Iraq when they lobbed into Kuwait, which was under the US umbrella? Get your facts right. Defence pacts are serious business.

India still controls Arunachal Pradesh and China recognised Sikkim. For all your crying on Chinese superiority all that you do even today is cry 'Core interest' 'Core interest'. Go figure why you could not and still cannot take AP by force. India of today is vastly different from 1962. Losers keep their citizens from accessing content because of an inferiority complex that citizens will learn more.

 

[shuttler]

This is not that hard to understand. The U.S. is a naval power. It is not a land-based power. On Eurasia, U.S. is weak.

U.S. was too terrified to fire a single cruise missile to help the Georgians.

I guarantee the U.S. will not lift a finger to help India or Vietnam. The United States has a policy of not helping losers. Outside intervention only occurs if they think you have a chance of winning. India and Vietnam are incredibly weak militarily and the PLA will overrun you in weeks before the first U.S. supply ship can dock.

You don't believe me?

Let me find the citation (see point #4 below) of the 1962 Sino-Indian War. India requested squadrons of fighters from the United States. The U.S. said "no." In fact, the United States didn't lend India a single bullet during the Sino-Indian War. China is like 100 times stronger today than in 1962. There is no way the U.S. would dare cross China for puny India or Vietnam.

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Four important lessons from 1962 Sino-Indian border war

1. When the People's Daily newspaper publishes an article warning you to back off, you better listen. It is a prelude to war. The Indians ignored the warning from the People's Daily in 1962 and they paid the price of defeat in the Sino-Indian border war.

This lesson is applicable today to Vietnam and the Philippines. After the People's Daily, Xinhua, and Global Times warned them of military action, Vietnamese and Filipino provocations in the South China Sea stopped.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On 22 September 1962, the People's Daily published an article which claimed that "the Chinese people were burning with 'great indignation' over the Indian actions on the border and that New Delhi could not 'now say that warning was not served in advance'."[37][38]
...
On 14 October, an editorial on People's Daily issued China's final warning to India: "So it seems that Mr. Nehru has made up his mind to attack the Chinese frontier guards on an even bigger scale....It is high time to shout to Mr. Nehru that the heroic Chinese troops, with the glorious tradition of resisting foreign aggression, can never be cleared by anyone from their own territory... If there are still some maniacs who are reckless enough to ignore our well-intentioned advice and insist on having another try, well, let them do so. History will pronounce its inexorable verdict... At this critical moment...we still want to appeal once more to Mr. Nehru: better rein in at the edge of the precipice and do not use the lives of Indian troops as stakes in your gamble." [38]"

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2. Chinese weaponry stationed across from Taiwan can be moved to the Indian sector. In 1962, China moved heavy artillery. In the current context, China can move 1,800 short-range ballistic missiles from the Taiwan sector for use against India.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Chinese attention was diverted for a time by the military activity of the Nationalists on Taiwan, but on 23 June the U.S. assured China that a Nationalist invasion would not be permitted.[30] China's heavy artillery facing Taiwan could then be moved to Tibet.[31] It took China six to eight months to gather the resources needed for the war, according to Anil Athale, author of the official Indian history.[31] The Chinese sent a large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet through the Indian port of Calcutta.[31]"

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3. PLA's blitzkrieg will slice through the enemy's best troops.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Marshal Liu Bocheng headed a group to determine the strategy for the war. He concluded that the opposing Indian troops were among India's best, and to achieve victory would require deploying crack troops and relying on force concentration to achieve decisive victory. On 16 October, this war plan was approved, and on the 18th, the final approval was given by the Politburo for a "self-defensive counter-attack", scheduled for 20 October.[2]
...
At 5:14 am, Chinese mortar fire began attacking the Indian positions. Simultaneously, the Chinese cut the Indian telephone lines, preventing the defenders from making contact with their headquarters. At about 6:30 am, the Chinese infantry launched a surprise attack from the rear and forced the Indians to leave their trenches.[36]

The Chinese troops overwhelmed the Indians in a series of flanking manoeuvres south of the McMahon Line and prompted their withdrawal from Namka Chu.[36] Fearful of continued losses, Indian troops escaped into Bhutan. Chinese forces respected the border and did not pursue.[7] Chinese forces now held all of the territory that was under dispute at the time of the Thag La confrontation, but they continued to advance into the rest of NEFA.[36]
...
Western theatre

On the Aksai Chin front, China already controlled most of the disputed territory. Chinese forces quickly swept the region of any remaining Indian troops.[42] Late on 19 October, Chinese troops launched a number of attacks throughout the western theatre.[8] By 22 October, all posts north of Chushul had been cleared.[8]"

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4. In 1962, the United States rejected India's plea for military jets. Today, China is a well-armed thermonuclear power. What are the chances that the United States would be willing to supply India with a single bullet in the next Sino-Indian border war?

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Involvement of other nations

During the conflict, Nehru wrote two desperate letters to JFK, requesting 12 squadrons of fighter jets. These jets were necessary to beef up Indian air strength so that an air war could be initiated safely from the Indian perspective. This request was rejected. According to former Indian diplomat G Parthasarathy, "only after we got nothing from the US did arms supplies from the Soviet Union to India commence." [57] In 1962, President of Pakistan Ayub Khan made clear to India that Indian troops could safely be transferred from the Pakistan frontier to the Himalayas.[58]"

That is one piece of good example backing your argument that the US will not support a warfare in which their own interest is not jeopardised!

The US has a ranking of their allies / strategic partners. I wonder where is india in the ranking?

During WW2, when did the US army set foot on the Pacific and declared a war against the Japanese? ..Not until their land - Hawaii was attacked!

 

[northeast]

wrong. If China goes down the next target is Russia! That is why the Russians are standing so strong against the NATO voting on Syria and Iran issues! China is much more closer to Russia in geographical location and other ties than Syria and Iran!

A Chinese proverb says: " if the lips are gone, the teeth would feel the immediate cold"

We should not trust those cunning russian，they are more dangerous than US.

 

[Martian2]

Eurasia? You must be the first person to say US is just a naval power and not a land power. Their SEAD technology is by far the best in the business. Same goes for their Airforce and space assets.

There is no defence protection pact between US and Georgia. Its only assistance. Japan and South Korea do have a defence pact. Guess what happened to Iraq when they lobbed into Kuwait, which was under the US umbrella? Get your facts right. Defence pacts are serious business.

India still controls Arunachal Pradesh and China recognised Sikkim. For all your crying on Chinese superiority all that you do even today is cry 'Core interest' 'Core interest'. Go figure why you could not and still cannot take AP by force. India of today is vastly different from 1962. Losers keep their citizens from accessing content because of an inferiority complex that citizens will learn more.

I disagree.

Georgia was in a more privileged position than Japan or South Korea. The treaties with Japan and South Korea were signed before the development of Chinese 3.3-megaton thermonuclear warheads. It is my judgment that those Japanese and South Korean treaties are not worth much more than the paper they were written upon.

In the face of Russian thermonuclear power, the U.S. said adios to Georgia.

In the face of Chinese thermonuclear power, the U.S. will also wish the Japanese and the Koreans the best of luck in dealing with China. Adios baby!

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Let's see what NATO itself has to say about Georgia's privileged position.

NATO - News: NATO Secretary General praises Georgia

"Apr 3, 2012 – “Georgia is a special partner for NATO. You are committed to our operations, to NATO accession, and committed to reforms … In all, Georgia is ..."

 

[shuttler]

Eurasia? You must be the first person to say US is just a naval power and not a land power. Their SEAD technology is by far the best in the business. Same goes for their Airforce and space assets.

There is no defence protection pact between US and Georgia. Its only assistance. Japan and South Korea do have a defence pact. Guess what happened to Iraq when they lobbed into Kuwait, which was under the US umbrella? Get your facts right. Defence pacts are serious business.

India still controls Arunachal Pradesh and China recognised Sikkim. For all your crying on Chinese superiority all that you do even today is cry 'Core interest' 'Core interest'. Go figure why you could not and still cannot take AP by force. India of today is vastly different from 1962. Losers keep their citizens from accessing content because of an inferiority complex that citizens will learn more.

Same thing! China today is immensely different from half a century ago. india is just as defeatable as 1962!

We should not trust those cunning russian，they are more dangerous than US.

trust then verify!

 

[northeast]

Same thing! China today is immensely different from half a century ago. india is just as defeatable as 1962!



trust then verify!

No,it's stupid to trust in russia.even in the wwii,GB and US didn't trust soviet.we must always prepare for their betryal.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

Same thing! China today is immensely different from half a century ago. india is just as defeatable as 1962!



trust then verify!

Ahhh we have an arm chair general here i would advice you read throughly Sun Tzu art of war before ranting about military victory's.

 

[shuttler]

No,it's stupid to trust in russia.even in the wwii,GB and US didn't trust soviet.we must always prepare for their betryal.

you wont distance the russians more than the americans will you? Not until they are our enemies, they are closer to us than the country to the far west side of the Pacific

 

[Martian2]

This is probably my last post in this thread. I've said basically everything I wanted to discuss. Anyway, to tie up some loose ends, let me wrap things up.

1. Superior American conventional military power is useless against the asymmetric Russian strategy of relying on tactical nuclear weapons. Wherever a large American base is located near Georgia, the Russians will nuke it.

2. China will just laugh at American conventional military power on land. China is the world's premier missile power. China will launch over a thousand SRBMs, IRBMs, cruise missiles, and MLRS at major American military bases. America cannot establish a major base of operations near China's border.

Therefore, I am correct when I say that the United States is primarily a naval power in relation to China or Russia. The American leverage on China is through control of the seas near the Persian Gulf. That is why China must compromise with America. However, if China feels threatened by American military bases in India or Vietnam then military considerations take precedence over commercial interests.

If provoked by Neo-Cons, China will drive out those American bases and annex territory from host countries to create a large buffer zone. This explains the lack of American military bases in India.

The Indian government is not dumb enough to hand its foreign policy over to a bunch of Neo-Cons. You never know what those crazy Neo-Cons will do. If the Neo-Cons screw things up, an one-million-strong mechanized PLA may show up on India's doorstep.

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Preview Of Next Sino-Indian War

The Chinese combined-arms exercises on the Tibetan plateau show that China will hammer India with air power (J-10, J-11B, Su-27, and Su-30), attack helicopters, armor columns, and mobile heavy artillery (e.g. MLRS and howitzers) in the next Sino-Indian war.

Though it is not shown in the photographs, the opening salvo in the next Sino-Indian war will most likely start with a massive attack by Chinese cruise missiles on Indian military installations.

The Indians better say their prayers. They're not going to last very long against that much Chinese firepower.

Joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area_XINHUANET
English.news.cn | 2011-10-22 08:37:23 | Editor: An

A photo taken in this Autumn shows the army aviation troop taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Xing'an)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows a Jian-10 fighter taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Xing'an)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows a self-propelled weapon system of missile and gun taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Yinghua)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows tanks taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Yinghua)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows a Jian-10 fighter taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Yinghua)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows the tanks during a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Yinghua)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows a Jian-11 fighter taking off during a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Yinghua)

A photo taken in this Autumn shows a self-propelled howitzer taking part in a joint military drill of air and land forces held on west China's plateau area which reached an altitude of 4,500 meters above the sea level. (Xinhua/Liu Xing'an)

[Note: Thank you to Greyboy2 for the post.]