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ref:US to continue spy flights after jets 'pursued' by China over Taiwan - Telegraph

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US to continue spy flights after jets 'pursued' by China over Taiwan
Washington on Tuesday insisted it would continue spy flights over the Taiwan Strait after Chinese jets reportedly chased a US reconnaissance plane into Taiwanese airspace.

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Gen Chen Bingde Photo: Alexander F. Yuan-Pool/Getty ImagesBy Malcolm Moore, Shanghai and Alex Spillius in Washington
4:12PM BST 26 Jul 2011


Taiwan's defence ministry said it sent two F-16 fighters to intercept the Chinese Sukhoi-27 jets near the central line across the 113-mile wide Strait in late June, the first such incursion for 12 years.

The ministry said that the two Chinese jets quickly turned around. A spokesman added that he believed the incident was "an accident" and that Taiwan had been "in full control" of the situation.

China has long objected to US reconnaissance of its coastline, especially since a US spy plane and a People's Liberation Army jet collided in 2001 near Hainan island, killing the Chinese pilot. The crew of the US plane was detained for 11 days in a major diplomatic row.

Adm Mike Mullen, the top US military official, said: "We won't be deterred from flying in international airspace. The Chinese would see us move out of there. We're not going to do that, from my perspective. These reconnaissance flights are important."

But in an article for the New York Times chairman of the joint chiefs of staff stressed that the Pentagon wants to build bridges with Beijing.

Following his visit to China and his counterpart Gen Chen Bingde earlier this month, Adm Mullen said the US was considering an exchange of more junior defence officials.

"General Chen and I are considering more frequent discussions, more exercises, more personnel exchanges," he wrote.

"We both believe that the younger generation of military officers is ready for closer contact, and that upon their shoulders rests the best hope for deeper, more meaningful trust."

The relationship between China and the US should be based on "candid and forthright" talks rather than suspicion, he added.

He said that the time had come in the US to end reflexive suspicion of China, but admonished Beijing for cutting off ties whenever it didn't like "something we do".

"That can't be the model anymore. Nor can we, for our part, swing between engagement and overreaction," he wrote.

Though there are simmering fears in the region about China's increased military might, relations between China and Taiwan have eased lately as Taiwan's President Ma Ying-jeou has abandoned his predecessor's pro-independence stance and boosted ties with the world's fastest-growing major economy.

China still claims sovereignty over Taiwan, which the Kuomintang claimed sovereignty over in 1949 after losing control of the mainland during the communist revolution.

Though Washington has dropped official recognition of Taiwan, the US is still obliged by law to defend the country against Chinese aggression.

In January last year President Barack Obama authorised the sale of $6.4 billion (£3.9bn) in arms, including missile systems and helicopters to Taipei, prompting Beijing to suspend military contacts for a year.

The US administration is close to a final decision on whether or not to sell 66 new F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan by Oct 1.


ref:Two Chinese fighters 'pursue' US spy plane - Telegraph

Two Chinese fighters 'pursue' US spy plane
Two Chinese fighter jets reportedly crossed into Taiwan's airspace in late June in pursuit of a United States spy plane.
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A US U-2 reconnaissance plane Photo: REUTERS By Malcolm Moore
7:00AM BST 26 Jul 2011
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Taiwan's Defence ministry said it sent two F-16 fighters to intercept the Chinese Sukhoi-27 jets near the central line across the 113-mile wide Taiwan Strait.

The ministry said it was the first time that Chinese jets have breached its airspace since 1999 and that the two Chinese jets quickly turned around. A spokesman added that he believed the incident was "an accident" and that Taiwan had been "in full control" of the situation.

A Taiwanese newspaper, the United Daily News, said the Chinese jets had been in pursuit of a US U-2 reconnaissance plane. However, both the Taiwanese Defence ministry and the Pentagon declined to confirm the report.

China has long objected to US reconnaissance of its coastline, especially since a US spy plane crashed into a People's Liberation Army jet in 2001 near Hainan island, killing the Chinese pilot. The crew of the US plane was detained for 11 days in a diplomatic row.

However, Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, told reporters in Washington that the US would "not be deterred from flying in international airspace". He said: "The Chinese would see us move out of there. We're not going to do that, from my perspective. These reconnaissance flights are important".

Chinese Fighter Jets ‘Repel’ US Spy Aircraft26 Jul 2011(CNBC)[what's this]His spokesman later clarified that he was not referring to the alleged incident, but to the general principle of the US flying surveillance planes in the region.
 
PLAAF should send a couple of fighters to greet US surviellance aircraft over "international" air space!
 
It's interesting how the US resorts to using U-2s when they have reconnaissance satellites. It shows that they are not really trying to spy on Chinese facilities, but to prove a point, mostly make a political statement.

The fact that China sent only its old Su-27s also shows that the Chinese did not take it seriously and does not consider them a threat.
 
PLAAF should send a couple of fighters to greet US surviellance aircraft over "international" air space!
The PLAAF should. We could use the targets for non-lethal weapons system practice. A couple of buzz passes by a pair of supercruising F-22 would make for good entertainment on Youtube. The Chinese government would filter Youtube tootsweet.
 
It's interesting how the US resorts to using U-2s when they have reconnaissance satellites. It shows that they are not really trying to spy on Chinese facilities, but to prove a point, mostly make a political statement.

The fact that China sent only its old Su-27s also shows that the Chinese did not take it seriously and does not consider them a threat.
I hope ALL Chinese believe that. I really do.
 
The PLAAF should. We could use the targets for non-lethal weapons system practice. A couple of buzz passes by a pair of supercruising F-22 would make for good entertainment on Youtube. The Chinese government would filter Youtube tootsweet.

I thought you learned from prior incidents that the side that sends their aircraft close to a country's airspace is the side that gets buzzed.

Whether the US government blocks the footage or not is up to debate.
 
I thought you learned from prior incidents that the side that sends their aircraft close to a country's airspace is the side that gets buzzed.
Close...But no cigars. In international airspace, Chinese fighters are just as vulnerable as their targets. How do you know that our F-22s have not been around anyway? That TR-1 makes for a good distraction, no?

Whether the US government blocks the footage or not is up to debate.
I said Chinese government. Am willing to bet that we will have no problems showing the world how Chinese fighters got caught totally unaware by US 'stealth' fighters.
 
Buried deep within the article is something very disturbing..... but not unexpected.
The administration opposes the sale of updated fighters to a friendly country.
Another ally pushed under the bus.

China wants to throw its new found economic power around to claim the entire South China Sea? They are also drilling for oil off US coastal waters? Really? This belligerence must be dealt with some how.... maybe we can surprise China with a sale of some more Apaches to Taiwan.

I hope to God we never lose our military superiority in a world as dangerous as this.
 
Buried deep within the article is something very disturbing..... but not unexpected.
The administration opposes the sale of updated fighters to a friendly country.
Another ally pushed under the bus.

China wants to throw its new found economic power around to claim the entire South China Sea? They are also drilling for oil off US coastal waters? Really? This belligerence must be dealt with some how.... maybe we can surprise China with a sale of some more Apaches to Taiwan.

I hope to God we never lose our military superiority in a world as dangerous as this.

Yea bankrupt yourself to death.
 
Common Gambit, take it easy.. you guys are an ex-superpower and on the verge of getting bank-corrupt. You guys need to see and feel things staying on the ground now so don't think all you intend is actually now doable. Live and let live.. this is the bottomline at which everybody can mutually agree.
 
Maybe it wasnt the US, maybe the Black Cats are back in action :)
 
lol we own our own debt all we need is a bill to streamline it . us is the superpower china cant even get little tiwan and Philippines under its belt, if the us wanted to it could crash chinas economy with QE , tariffs, and jobs bills along with a re-shoring effort. BTW you must not knwo what bretton woods is, if you did you would see the us cannot go bankrupt.

and if china wants to escalate things i would love to see our 21 B-2's and 200 f -22 and what ever else is ina hanger in some base in the desert run all over your coastal cities.
 
Close...But no cigars. In international airspace, Chinese fighters are just as vulnerable as their targets. How do you know that our F-22s have not been around anyway? That TR-1 makes for a good distraction, no?

Therefore who buzzes who is a choice of pilot. And how do you know China has not sent her fighters as well?


I said Chinese government. Am willing to bet that we will have no problems showing the world how Chinese fighters got caught totally unaware by US 'stealth' fighters.

But the problems arise if your assets are surprised by their Chinese counterpart, and that has happened before.
 
Therefore who buzzes who is a choice of pilot. And how do you know China has not sent her fighters as well?
If the F-22s decides to buzz the Chinese fighters, there is nothing the Chinese can do. They cannot see them. The American reconnaissance aircraft is in international airspace, whatever China do in international airspace will have consequences. If the recon aircraft was being escorted, the Chinese fighters could be shot down without them knowing about it.

But the problems arise if your assets are surprised by their Chinese counterpart, and that has happened before.
Good luck on finding the F-22s. Chinese physics does not work in international airspace.
 

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