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Ali mazloom the sirf apni zaat k liye sir g,,, agar kabhi Allah ki zaat ka masla hota toh log nazaray dekhtay Ali kay... :coffee:

Brother you know what what i say or you say may be taken as a conflict of interest even if we cite Quranic verses in favour of Ali' A.s rule ------- the eye opener for me was a well versed muslim convert's take on the early Islamic history, who would obviously subscribe to many of the Sunni doctrines but when he expanded on the occult history and proved how they were involved in plotting against a rightly guided Imam/Caliph even by our Sunni brethren's own standard -------


Allah Swt took His grace away from this ummah for defying Ali A.s in the battle field over a superstition .
 
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@SIPRA

O PaaJee,

NoorJan to rescue!

After tonights PakistanZindabad and Azaadi Movement... I do fear that the following song must be a sound track for the RegimeChange Enablers!

Phen di sister!

Enjoy you all, dear Paks!


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We couldn't wait for next elections. We couldn't wait to re-elect Khan. If United States government want to have any negotiations than they should know that we have chosen only Khan. They should respect our vote and continue their diplomatic relationship with him.
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Rate his Punjabi skills guys
@Great Janjua @lastofthepatriots @Mentee
Probably the craziest Punjabi I heard in a long time :coffee: I'd give it a 6/10
Half the battle is confidence
I've seen this before and it still makes me giggle like a child. The only time you will see Imran khan come across as panicky is him trying to grasp his mother tongue sad and amusing at the same time.

I give him a 5 out of 10.
 
Aa Andleeb mil k karain aaho zariyan...
To haaye Gul pukar, Main Chilaoun haye Dil...
 
Thank you for the detailed post. I shall reply later as I am only having access to a mobile phone and hence difficult to type.
On point 3, I am not saying that we are having a great system. It does need change but communism and socialism is not it. The Modi govt is trying to bring in a secular welfare structure including cheap housing for all, reliable water supply etc. The plumbing for a modern society is an identity and a bank account. This is force multiplied with cheap mobile platforms. One thing I am critical of Modi is that he is jot focusing on primary education and nutrition for children. The AAP is better on that count at least till now.
In short even to provide welfare you need to first create wealth.

Yes, reply when comfortable on a desktop etc and let us continue here in the 'Whatever' thread because our convo has become India-specific so it will be off-topic in that thread.

1. What is your objection to Communism ? Look at the illegally sanctioned North Korea. Though not a truly Communist society ( as it has a party system and is dynastically ruled ) it provides for example free housing and free education so unlike that Indian civil engineer's family I mentioned in the other thread which did a mass suicide pact because of the engineer's continued unemployment no North Korean family would have to suicide because they would face no socio-economic problems. Let alone India every country needs Communism because Communism when implemented truly will be the one to bring harmony to society. And two of the other ideals of Communism by themselves - Erasing of national borders and disbandment of national militaries - will bring a serene and harmonious atmosphere to the entire world. Wouldn't you want such a sight ?

2. About Modi, don't believe a word of that utter liar. He is only interested in find the nearest cameras to pose and bringing about a Hindu Rashtra. I am still waiting for the 15 lakh rupees per citizen and the 100 smart cities he promised in his prime ministerial manifesto in 2014. Eight years have passed and nothing has been done. But oh yes, he is very enthusiastic in investing billions in unnecessary projects like a new PM palace and those religion-linked statues ( like of Vallabhbhai Patel ) and other structures like Ram Mandir and renovating that temple in the Himalayas that was damaged in the floods some years ago. He spends the nation's resources on gods and not on humans. According to reports more than four million Indians died of COVID between 2019 and mid-2021 and most of them died because of structural failure in India's healthcare system. Some families with COVID patients mortgaged their houses to pay the hospital bills and other charges yet some couldn't save their family members. Did Modi take responsibility for this artificial tragedy ? Seven hundred farmers died in the one-year-long farmers protest in Delhi, the protest sites not too far from Modi's PM residence. Did Modi take responsibility for the farmer deaths ? That "Cheap housing for all" ( not Free Housing For All which it should be ) is a drama. The citizen wanting to have a "cheap" house has to have a loan approved from some lending institution first and then there will be much approval tangling from the government side. The article is from 2016 :
The builder’s website claims that the project is an initiative “aligned to the Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana (sic)”. Under its four criteria for eligibility, it says the applicants and co-applicants must be eligible for a loan from banks listed under the PMAY. Taking its claim further, it even says the house allotments might take place in Fadnavis’ presence, depending on his availability.
More truth is shed on this PMAY untruth :
We all know how the Centre’s Narendra Modi government led by the BJP never miss an opportunity in creating unending hypes on the so-called vikas or development under the current prime minister. One such huge hype is in flaunting the numbers claimed by the government on Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana (PMAY).

As has been the case with this government’s penchant for fudging the data, here too the government has been found promoting a misleading advertisement with claims of completing the construction of 10 million houses under PMAY. But, the breaking news is that this is nowhere closer to the truth.

There is nothing new about government sponsoring housing schemes in India. The first government sponsored housing scheme came into being was immediately after the independence to provide housing for the refugees who came to India after partition. Till 1960 around 500,000 houses were provided by the government in different part of northern India under that scheme. In 1957, another scheme – Village Housing Scheme (VHP) was launched as part of Community Development Movement (CDM) to provide loans up to ₹5,000 per unit to individuals and cooperatives.

But this scheme was not successful because only 67,000 dwelling units could be constructed under VHP till the end of fifth five year plan in 1979. Another similar scheme was started in 4th five year plan – House Sites-cum-Construction Assistance Scheme (HSCAS) transferred to the States from 1974-75.

Then came Indira Awas Yojana in 1985 as it went on to become the biggest and most comprehensive housing programme in India. It has its origin in National Rural Employment Programme (NREP) and Rural Landless Employment Guarantee Programme (RLEGP) started in 1980 and 1983 respectively. To start with, it was a sub programme of RLEGP. In 1989, IAY was subsumed by Jawahar Rozgar Yojana (JRY). It was declared an independent Scheme in 1996 and it remained as one till the name changed to Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana in 2016.

Ministry of Rural Development (MoRD) progress report of PMAY throws some interesting numbers on the year wise number of houses constructed. The first shock comes when one see only 246,388 houses completed under the scheme “prior to 2012-2013”. And it says 144,442 houses completed in 2013-14, 125,977 in 2013-15, 223,702 in 2015-16, 2,707,103 in 2016-17, 1,543,195 in 2017-18, and 4,990,807** for 2017-2019 till 27 July 2018.

Anyone who looks at this data will be under the impression that these are the number of houses constructed every year and total 95,90,784 houses have been completed since Modi govt came in to power. Wrong! But, don’t blame yourself for being tricked. Because tricking an average voter appears to have been the real design behind creating this misleading data.

Truth be told, these are not the number of houses constructed! According to a report by Ministry of Rural Development, building 99,89,825 houses were its total target. 99,22,838 was the target fixed by states. 1,05,23,278 people got registered themselves for the houses. 43,27, 290 houses were completed till 27 July 2018 from 26 May 2014, when the Modi govt came in to power. In real term, this means that 10,38,550 houses were completed every year since May 2014. Since, by prime minister’s own admission, his government’s target was to build 1 crore houses by the end of December 2019, he’s effectively been able to achieve only 43.3% of his target. They will still need to construct 56.70 lakh houses more between now and April next year.

If the government has been able to achieve 43.3% target in more than four years, what are the chances of it achieving the remaining 56.7% in just eight months? They have the liberty to brush it aside calling it yet another jumla (fake promise).

But, this is not the only Jumla. Let us check the numbers prior to 2014-15. This govt press release gives out the total number of constructed house under the IAY till 2009 March. Till then, It says 2.87 crore houses were constructed under the IAY since the inception of the scheme in June 1985. That is nearly 12 lakh houses per year; that is 1.5 lakh houses more than Modi government’s annual average since 2014. This number will also help most of you to see the Modi government’s claims that only 246,388 houses were completed prior to 2012-13 in new perspective.

UPA years vs Modi’s term

Out of the total 2,86,88,000 houses constructed till 2009 March under IAY, 82,97,305 houses were constructed under UPA 1. UPA 2 added another 99,60,000 houses in the next four years – till 31 March 2013. It is a bit tough to authenticate the numbers of 2013-14 in the absence of numbers presented by the UPA because most of the documents pertaining to IAY are either hidden or have been deleted including the annual report of Ministry of Rural Development. But, the MoRD’s annual report of 2012-13 says that from 1 April 2012 to 31 March 2013, 13,88,000 houses were completed under IAY and 34,47,000 houses were under construction.

So, let’s take a very conservative one third of 34,47,000 as the completed number of 2013-14. It adds another 11,49,000 houses to the four year cumulative number of 99,60,000. That means, 1,11,09,000 houses were constructed under Indira Awas Yojana by UPA 2 in their 5 year tenure. It takes the total number of houses constructed under IAY in UPA 1 & 2 tenure is 1,94,06,305. That is an average of 19,40,630 houses per year. But, what MoRD is displaying on its website is only 2,46,388 houses constructed prior to 2012-13.

Modi is notorious since his days as Gujarat Chief Minister for manipulating the data to create a hype on his administration and government and show the opponents in negative light. But, the manipulation here by him is extraordinary even by his own standards. Nearly 4 crore houses were built till 31 March 2014, but 41 lakh houses have been completed since Modi became the PM. But for Modi fans, what the PM says usually serves as the gospel truth. Facts usually tend to become intended casualties for them.

Note: All used data, numbers and other relevant informations are collected from MoRD Annual Reports, CAG reports on IAY, PIB releases and planning commission reports.

3. Yes, every citizen should have an identity, of a person who is given every human right, every justice and has the right to make an opinion and debate in the real interest of the country including in the national people's hall. Direct Democracy. Do you and I have that identity in India ? :) As for having a bank account, money is an artificial that if it should exist it should be only for enabling the citizen to potentially have equal access to all the non-basic goods and services in society. You in the future should have anything that Mukesh Ambani or Donald Trump has now. Isn't that fair and just ? Such a system I propose in this thread and the bank should be only one, owned by the governance system on behalf of the citizens and operate on interest-less basis and non-profit-making basis.

4. About creating wealth, what is wealth in the first place ? I quote this post of mine :
1. Money : Communism ( and Socialism ) recognizes that money is an artificial concept that came about among humans because of the impracticality of barter system unlike you an anti-Communist who seem to consider money to be a divinely ordained thing. Do you think Nature creates a list in the night sky through alphabets written by star arrangement, a list that daily lists the names of those who should be poor and those who should be rich ? Money came about for that aforesaid reason and is now mostly maintained because of the existence of profit. I quote a section from part 2 of Muammar Gaddafi's Green Book which is in better words than mine :
The final step is for the new socialist society to reach a stage in which profit and money disappear. Society will become fully productive; the material needs of society will be met. In this final stage, profit will disappear, as will the need for money.

The recognition of profit is an acknowledgment of exploitation, for profit has no limit. Attempts so far to limit profit by various means have been reformative, not radical, intending to prohibit exploitation of man by man. The final solution lies in eradicating profit, but because profit is the dynamic force behind the economic process, eliminating profit is not a matter of decree but, rather, an outcome of the evolving socialist process. This solution can be attained when the material satisfaction of the needs of society and its members is achieved. Work to increase profit will itself lead to its final eradication.

2. Wealth : You mistakenly consider wealth to be just money but the actual wealth is the resources in the society - human and material - which should be arranged to enable a society where the material needs of the citizens are balanced between individual satisfaction and the common good which will make the society harmonious and evolved. Now, since we have decided that money is artificial we have to speak of abolishing it but at a later point because we need to currently compensate for human labor and we don't yet have molecular replicators that produce objects for free. But since money has to exist for now but not contribute to injustice and class oppression we have to have an evolved money system within a society, in fact throughout humanity, so that evolved money system is what I have written. It is a money system yet manages to abolish the economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ) and enables a welfare system where every citizen has free access to all basic amenities and has potentially equal access to all other goods and services in society. This is the actual distribution of wealth. Don't stop yourself from reading it just because it has the label of Communism, just read it.

5. About education and nutrition for school students, firstly, education should be free to all levels, in fact the education system should be remade into one where there is no competition for exam marks and then the consequent dog-eat-dog competition for employment where the employment candidate puts forth his or her number of years in the "education" system and the marks he or she got therein as the defining criteria to get the employment regardless of the intellectual capability or lack-of of the candidate. Secondly, about nutrition the school students should be given two eggs each every day. Egg is the best nutritious food. Unfortunately, that Hindutvadi group ISKCON which supplies mid-day meals to many schools illegally deprives the school students of the nutritious egg because of irrational religious reasons.
 
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@jamahir Han bhai, suna Hai tum janav dhari hoker logon ko gotr btaogy kch arsy bad?

Ha ha. The lovely Shehla Rashid once said something like if she had lived in Kashmir a thousand years ago she would have been an oppressed lower caste Hindu ( though that caste system actually carries on among Kashmiri Muslims even today unfortunately ). I and all other progressive Indians including progressive / rational Muslims should do hijrat to sensible, safer societies whether Bangladesh or even war-ravaged Socialist Syria or Russia etc and help develop them and make a stand from there. India seems to be too far gone into insanity unless the sensible ones in the military take a stand and defeat the filth.

Coincidentally, about Vallabhbhai Patel I made two posts just yesterday, here and here.

About India's "national song" Vande Mataram ( there is an additional song, Jana Gana Mana, which is called the "national anthem", LOL ), I reject Vande Mataram because it is an utterly anti-secular anti-Muslim Hindutvadi song which celebrates a Hindu goddess as the anthropomorphic representation of India. Why should I a Muslim accept this, celebrate this ? Why should I a Communist accept a Hindutvadi, mythology-filled song ? This Bharat Mata / Vande Mataram unpleasantness wouldn't have risen if right in 1947 the founding people of India, sensible though some were : (a). Had not used humanoid representation of the country whether motherland or fatherland, (b). Had prepared the masses for a Humanist, progressive, Communist future where Indians should be participating in exhorting the peoples of Earth towards a borderless humanity with the artificial Nation State concept to be abolished and towards this use Rabindranath Tagore's exhortation essay against nationalism - use this element of Tagore instead of that unthoughtful "Jana gana mana" national anthem also written by Tagore.

Many Indians speak of peace and unity in the world yet contradictorily they are utterly and unthinkingly nationalist, utterly non-sensible. When Rakesh Sharma went to space in 1984 to stay on the USSR space station Salyut-7 being launched in a USSR spacecraft, Soyuz, he was put in a short teleconference by the USSR with PM Indira Gandhi, IG asked Rakesh Sharma how did India look like from space. Sharma said "Saare jahaan se accha, Hindustan humaara" and that declaration by him is celebrated even today, including by Modi and his bhakts. But there are some contradictions in the that. Firstly, "Saare..." was part of something written by Iqbal before the Partition and he then became Pakistan's national poet. The Bhakts are unwaveringly anti-Pakistan yet they celebrate Rakesh Sharma's declaration. Secondly, Sharma was in space only through the technology of the internationalist USSR which had helped in the development of India a lot, though the West had helped a lot too, so India had nothing to feel so great about itself. Surely, the Soviets had a Hindi translator in their control room and he or she must wondered about Sharma's ungratefulness and lack of pan-humanist thought. Thirdly, India's national poet is Rabindranath Tagore and as I quote from the Wikipedia page about him he was "a humanist, universalist, internationalist, and ardent anti-nationalist". What would he have thought about Rakesh Sharma's narrow, nationalist, anti-pan-human declaration ? Fourthly, Rakesh Sharma was in space, from where almost no national border can be visibly separated from the border of another nation, national being an artificial human-made concept. Sharma is in space where Nature's splendor and vastness is most visible to humans and yet he does this tuchchi baat ? I have read a few accounts of stayers on the International Space Station saying how beautiful and vulnerable Earth looks from space. Sharma ji went to space much before them yet all he could declare were India's non-existent "glories that are immeasurable compared to other countries" ? Why are so so many Indians so undelicate, so unthoughtful, so anti-pan-humanity, so arrogant even in presence of the utter supremeness and undeniably enclosing presence of Nature ? India should have had a single national song for the society - a lyrical expansion of the Communist slogan, "Laal salaam", or the localized, modernized and bettered version of The Internationale because those two would be better by a light-year than the tribalist, narrow, non-secular, anti-inclusive and non-sensible "Jana gana mana" and "Vande mataram"? @Mentee @Goenitz @Bilal9 @Vapnope @N.Siddiqui @DrJekyll @stevia
 
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Ha ha. The lovely Shehla Rashid once said something like if she had lived in Kashmir a thousand years ago she would have been an oppressed lower caste Hindu ( though that caste system actually carries on among Kashmiri Muslims even today unfortunately ). I and all other progressive Indians including progressive / rational Muslims should do hijrat to sensible, safer societies whether Bangladesh or even war-ravaged Socialist Syria or Russia etc and help develop them and make a stand from there. India seems to be too far gone into insanity unless the sensible ones in the military take a stand and defeat the filth.

Coincidentally, about Vallabhbhai Patel I made two posts just yesterday, here and here.

About India's "national song" Vande Mataram ( there is an additional song, Jana Gana Mana, which is called the "national anthem", LOL ), I reject Vande Mataram because it is an utterly anti-secular anti-Muslim Hindutvadi song which celebrates a Hindu goddess as the anthropomorphic representation of India. Why should I a Muslim accept this, celebrate this ? Why should I a Communist accept a Hindutvadi, mythology-filled song ? This Bharat Mata / Vande Mataram unpleasantness wouldn't have risen if right in 1947 the founding people of India, sensible though some were : (a). Had not used humanoid representation of the country whether motherland or fatherland, (b). Had prepared the masses for a Humanist, progressive, Communist future where Indians should be participating in exhorting the peoples of Earth towards a borderless humanity with the artificial Nation State concept to be abolished and towards this use Rabindranath Tagore's exhortation essay against nationalism - use this element of Tagore instead of that unthoughtful "Jana gana mana" national anthem also written by Tagore.

Many Indians speak of peace and unity in the world yet contradictorily they are utterly and unthinkingly nationalist, utterly non-sensible. When Rakesh Sharma went to space in 1984 to stay on the USSR space station Salyut-7 being launched in a USSR spacecraft, Soyuz, he was put in a short teleconference by the USSR with PM Indira Gandhi, IG asked Rakesh Sharma how did India look like from space. Sharma said "Saare jahaan se accha, Hindustan humaara" and that declaration by him is celebrated even today, including by Modi and his bhakts. But there are some contradictions in the that. Firstly, "Saare..." was part of something written by Iqbal before the Partition and he then became Pakistan's national poet. The Bhakts are unwaveringly anti-Pakistan yet they celebrate Rakesh Sharma's declaration. Secondly, Sharma was in space only through the technology of the internationalist USSR which had helped in the development of India a lot, though the West had helped a lot too, so India had nothing to feel so great about itself. Surely, the Soviets had a Hindi translator in their control room and he or she must wondered about Sharma's ungratefulness and lack of pan-humanist thought. Thirdly, India's national poet is Rabindranath Tagore and as I quote from the Wikipedia page about him he was "a humanist, universalist, internationalist, and ardent anti-nationalist". What would he have thought about Rakesh Sharma's narrow, nationalist, anti-pan-human declaration ? Fourthly, Rakesh Sharma was in space, from where almost no national border can be visibly separated from the border of another nation, national being an artificial human-made concept. Sharma is in space where Nature's splendor and vastness is most visible to humans and yet he does this tuchchi baat ? I have read a few accounts of stayers on the International Space Station saying how beautiful and vulnerable Earth looks from space. Sharma ji went to space much before them yet all he could declare were India's non-existent "glories that are immeasurable compared to other countries" ? Why are so so many Indians so undelicate, so unthoughtful, so anti-pan-humanity, so arrogant even in presence of the utter supremeness and undeniably enclosing presence of Nature ? @Mentee @Goenitz @Bilal9 @Vapnope @N.Siddiqui @DrJekyll @stevia
Tum nain phir lamba post likha 😢
 
Why are so so many Indians so undelicate, so unthoughtful, so anti-pan-humanity, so arrogant even in presence of the utter supremeness and undeniably enclosing presence of Nature ? @Mentee @Goenitz @Bilal9 @Vapnope @N.Siddiqui @DrJekyll @stevia

They ape Hollywood mantra and western trends like crazy -----.

Tum nain phir lamba post likha 😢

Pdf ki shobha brh gy , majay ka hai post jara dhyan lgao
 
They ape Hollywood mantra and western trends like crazy -

Well, something much more than Western trends. It is the Hindutvadi mind at work - a feeling of superiority than other humans while benefiting from them and a non-acknowledgement of Nature.
 

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