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Who gets to be a Muslim in Pakistan?

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Who gets to be a Muslim in Pakistan?

If Muhammad Ali Jinnah were alive today only half of Pakistan would consider him a Muslim. The ethnic, sectarian, and tribal fault lines have reached such depths that the nation once founded to be the homeland of Muslims is now bickering over who gets to be called a Muslim.

The latest poll by the US-based Pew Research Center has exposed the depth of sectarian fault lines where only one in every two Sunni Muslims in Pakistan accepts Shias as Muslims. While many believed that such extreme sectarian views were held only by the fanatics lying at the margin, the Pew Center’s findings reveal that such intolerant and extremist views are in fact mainstream in Pakistan. Even Jinnah, a Shia Muslim and the founder of Pakistan, today would not have escaped the sectarian extremism in Pakistan.

Based on a comprehensive survey comprising face-to-face interviews with 38,000 Muslims in 39 countries and territories, the Pew Research Center paints a picture of the diverse religious beliefs amongst Muslims. The sectarian strife varies a great deal from Azerbaijan where 90 per cent of Sunnis believe Shias are Muslims to Kosovo where only 20 per cent hold the same view. In Arab countries where Shias account for fewer than 5 per cent of the population (e.g., Jordon, Egypt, and Morocco) the majority believes that Shias are not Muslims. On the other hand Arab countries with significant Shia populations, i.e., Iraq and Lebanon, show signs of sectarian harmony where overwhelming majority of Sunnis accept Shias as Muslims.

The same survey could not be conducted in India, Iran, and Saudi Arabia because of security concerns for the enumerators.

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The seeds of sectarian and religious extremism sown by the late General Zia-ul-Haq’s regime are now bearing fruit in Pakistan making it an extremist anomaly even in the region. In the neighbouring Afghanistan, where successive wars have destroyed the physical infrastructure and the social fabric, sectarianism is much more contained than in Pakistan. Eight-three per cent of Sunnis in Afghanistan, contrary to only 50 per cent in Pakistan, accept Shias as Muslims. Even in Bangladesh, which split before General Zia’s regime took control, 77 per cent of Sunnis believe Shias are Muslims. Similarly, 40 per cent of Sunnis in Bangladesh and only 7 per cent in Pakistan accept Ahmadis as Muslims. The stark differences between Bangladesh and Pakistan are indicative of the sustained growth of religious intolerance in Pakistan.

Many in Pakistan would question the motives behind the Pew survey while others might question the robustness of results derived from a survey of few thousand respondents. Some would argue that such surveys by western organisations are intended to further exacerbate sectarian strife in Pakistan. Others would contend that results based on surveys are not credible.

It is rather odd to see such lame arguments being repeated every time new evidence is brought to bear on sectarian violence in Pakistan. It is more than convenient for those who benefit from the status quo to discredit reports by others while at the same time they do nothing else to verify these findings. It is extremely disappointing to realise that even after several thousand deaths in sectarian violence, independent studies of it, causes and motives do not originate within Pakistan.

Many in Pakistan mistakenly believe that survey-based research is not credible and maintain that unless the entire population is polled, the results would not be credible. For them findings derived from Gallup polls and Pew surveys are dubious at best. Again, this exposes the poor state of social science education in Pakistan. Across the globe most, if not all, economic and social policy is based on findings derived from data captured in surveys. Multi-billion dollar businesses rely on samples of 1,500 to 3,000 respondents to conduct market research and devise business strategies. Even census in most countries is not based on the entire population.

The confusion about basic research methodology exists even amongst university educated Pakistanis because they were not exposed to the fundamentals of research methods. However, this does not prevent them from using their ignorance to ignore the uncomfortable truth about the moral decay that now confronts Pakistan in its most violent manifestation.

As Pakistanis at home and abroad celebrate the Independence Day, they must ask themselves if they would like to live in Jinnah’s Pakistan or the Taliban’s Pakistan. In Jinnah’s Pakistan there is no room for sectarian bigotry or violence. In Taliban’s Pakistan violence will be the norm. In Jinnah’s Pakistan, “… you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship… You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”*

* Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947.



Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is the Associate Dean of research and graduate programs at the Ted Rogers School of Management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at murtaza.haider@ryerson.ca
 
In daily life I've never met any sunni who thinks Shias are not Muslim, our laws are not defined in such a way.

One really has to wonder what was the group selection PEW went to.

I am sure a similar group selection methodology was used as the survey which showed majority of Balochis do not want independence..

About daily life, well a lot of times are not very forthcoming about their real views on such sensitive issues...
 
A baseless article, without any research. These peoples are sitting thousand miles away, just based on rumors and false news from news channels, without any ground reality making analysis. And even if they do survey....the just do in major cities.. whereas the 75% Pakistani population lives in Villages or small towns.
 
A baseless article, without any research. These peoples are sitting thousand miles away, just based on rumors and false news from news channels, without any ground reality making analysis. And even if they do survey....the just do in major cities.. whereas the 75% Pakistani population lives in Villages or small towns.

By this you mean that rural population is more educated and the survey results would be better in this regard?

The results will be even worse.
 
A baseless article, without any research. These peoples are sitting thousand miles away, just based on rumors and false news from news channels, without any ground reality making analysis. And even if they do survey....the just do in major cities.. whereas the 75% Pakistani population lives in Villages or small towns.

If this article is baseless, could you provide us with something more reliable than this to show the true picture of what is happening there?
 
One really has to wonder what was the group selection PEW went to.
All answered in the report and its appendices.

I'm rather surprised at the results: Pakistan is in the middle of the pack and Kosovars' and neighboring Albanians' responses sharply contrasted.

I think everyone should consider the import of Malik Usman's words: there is a difference between what things ARE and what they are CLAIMED to be and since the Pew survey is open and scientific that means MU's words are starkly in the latter category. Why should his opinion be respected, then?

Note the Saudis wouldn't let the survey take place at all on security grounds. So much for the fine words of the Crown Prince: link
 
I am sure a similar group selection methodology was used as the survey which showed majority of Balochis do not want independence..

About daily life, well a lot of times are not very forthcoming about their real views on such sensitive issues...

37% of Balochis want independence, although this number is big but they don't speak for the 63% who want to stick with Pakistan. So, if a survey agency like PEW would collect data from only these 37%, who knows that they would call the independence seeking Balochis to be 98%...

If this article is baseless, could you provide us with something more reliable than this to show the true picture of what is happening there?

Well, we live in Pakistan so we know the true picture. The recent examples are the shows that go on in Ramadan on nearly every channel where both Shia and Sunni ulemas sit side by side and donot impose fatwaas on each other but rather agree on each matter discussed.
 
Haq Nawaz Jhangvi was the scholar who brought Non Islamic beliefs among certain factions of shia to attention of the masses..
He became a very influential Muslim scholar in Pakistan and even abroad,and was later killed by presumably shia activists.
His followers formed "Sipah e sahaba" and they and shia diaspora were up in arms against each other for some years.

But then again..if you want to discuss these topics,you are in the wrong place,better join a religious forum.
 
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

With this defination given by Prophet Muhammad PBUH, everybody who believe in above is Muslim and so are Shias. No Doubts About it.
 
All answered in the report and its appendices.

I'm rather surprised at the results: Pakistan is in the middle of the pack and Kosovars' and neighboring Albanians' responses sharply contrasted.

I think everyone should consider the import of Malik Usman's words: there is a difference between what things ARE and what they are CLAIMED to be and since the Pew survey is open and scientific that means MU's words are starkly in the latter category. Why should his opinion be respected, then?

Note the Saudis wouldn't let the survey take place at all on security grounds. So much for the fine words of the Crown Prince: link

If the Saudis allowed the survey to take place they would be at less than 10%. Their grand cleric has declared all shias apostates.
 
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

With this defination given by Prophet Muhammad PBUH, everybody who believe in above is Muslim and so are Shias. No Doubts About it.

According to the above, will Ahmadis be considered Muslims?
 
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

With this defination given by Prophet Muhammad PBUH, everybody who believe in above is Muslim and so are Shias. No Doubts About it.

Yes Shias believe in this but what they say after is what makes a lot of scholars declare them as apostates. I cannot comment on this for forum rules reasoning but you should look it up. Some of their statements are shocking to say the least. I have an uncle who is Shia so I have some first hand knowledge as well.

According to the above, will Ahmadis be considered Muslims?

Ahmadis are not considered Muslim because they do not even consider Prophet Muhammad PBUH as their prophet so how could his saying apply to them??
 

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