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India is currently working on three nuclear submarine projects — Arihant-class SSBNs, SSNs, and the 13,500 tonne S-5 class SSBNs — but the country remains far from having its own sea deterrent.

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Meanwhile, Russia’s K-152 from the Akula-class commissioned as the INS Chakra II, patrols the Indian Ocean to check Chinese expansion.

While India’s success in obtaining self-reliance in the nuclear submarine program is afar, it has taken the Russian vessel on a $900 million lease for 10 years in 2012, which is likely to be extended by three years.

Under the agreement, Indian engineers and sailors traveled to Russia to receive training on how to operate and service the submarine. The Indian navy has used Chakra II to prepare its submarine crews for the introduction of its nuclear-powered Arihant-class submarine line.


In 2019, India had rented an Akula-1 class nuclear-powered attack submarine from Russia for a period of 10 years at a $3billion contract. Russia will deliver the Akula-1 class submarine, to be known as Chakra III, to the Indian Navy by 2025.


The primary aim of Chakra III is to be the testbed to facilitate India’s plans to indigenously produce six nuclear attack submarines. However, amid India-China tensions, Russia’s Akula class nuclear attack submarine will play an important role.

It is a valuable asset, considering China and Pakistan’s relatively weak anti-submarine warfare capabilities. The Akula design has been modernized since it first became operational with new armaments, improved sensors and further reduction of noise to improve survivability.

Akula-class submarine - Wikipedia

Akula-class submarine – Wikipedia
A senior Indian Navy official had told media that the deal includes the refurbishment of the submarines with Indian communication and sensor systems, spares support and training technical infrastructure for its operations.

Earlier this year, under the Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020, the government allowed the three services — Army, Navy and the Air Force — to lease equipment rather than buying them in one go.

“This brings the cost down significantly and also does away with life cycle cost. There are many items that could be procured through leasing,” experts noted.

India has aimed the nuclear submarine projects to be indigenous and 60 percent of the components for the Arihant-class being sourced from local manufacturers. The Indian navy has significantly benefitted from this arrangement with close design-and-technical cooperation from Russia.

The Soviet Union was the first to lease a nuclear submarine in 1986 when the Kremlin inked a deal with New Delhi for the 10-year lease of a Charlie-class nuclear cruise missile submarine. The lease for the first nuclear submarine was soon ended by New Delhi due to the restrictions that accompanied the transfer.

 
India is currently working on three nuclear submarine projects — Arihant-class SSBNs, SSNs, and the 13,500 tonne S-5 class SSBNs — but the country remains far from having its own sea deterrent.


Meanwhile, Russia’s K-152 from the Akula-class commissioned as the INS Chakra II, patrols the Indian Ocean to check Chinese expansion.

While India’s success in obtaining self-reliance in the nuclear submarine program is afar, it has taken the Russian vessel on a $900 million lease for 10 years in 2012, which is likely to be extended by three years.

Under the agreement, Indian engineers and sailors traveled to Russia to receive training on how to operate and service the submarine. The Indian navy has used Chakra II to prepare its submarine crews for the introduction of its nuclear-powered Arihant-class submarine line.


In 2019, India had rented an Akula-1 class nuclear-powered attack submarine from Russia for a period of 10 years at a $3billion contract. Russia will deliver the Akula-1 class submarine, to be known as Chakra III, to the Indian Navy by 2025.


The primary aim of Chakra III is to be the testbed to facilitate India’s plans to indigenously produce six nuclear attack submarines. However, amid India-China tensions, Russia’s Akula class nuclear attack submarine will play an important role.

It is a valuable asset, considering China and Pakistan’s relatively weak anti-submarine warfare capabilities. The Akula design has been modernized since it first became operational with new armaments, improved sensors and further reduction of noise to improve survivability.

Akula-class submarine - Wikipedia

Akula-class submarine – Wikipedia
A senior Indian Navy official had told media that the deal includes the refurbishment of the submarines with Indian communication and sensor systems, spares support and training technical infrastructure for its operations.

Earlier this year, under the Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020, the government allowed the three services — Army, Navy and the Air Force — to lease equipment rather than buying them in one go.

“This brings the cost down significantly and also does away with life cycle cost. There are many items that could be procured through leasing,” experts noted.

India has aimed the nuclear submarine projects to be indigenous and 60 percent of the components for the Arihant-class being sourced from local manufacturers. The Indian navy has significantly benefitted from this arrangement with close design-and-technical cooperation from Russia.

The Soviet Union was the first to lease a nuclear submarine in 1986 when the Kremlin inked a deal with New Delhi for the 10-year lease of a Charlie-class nuclear cruise missile submarine. The lease for the first nuclear submarine was soon ended by New Delhi due to the restrictions that accompanied the transfer.


1. They are not available for Sale.

2. Indian Nuclear Subs are nowhere close to Russian SUbs in terms of Sensors.

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Soviet's mysterious SOKS, which stands for "System Obnarujenia Kilvaternovo Sleda" or "wake object detection system." This device, fitted to Russian attack submarines, tracks the wake a submarine leaves behind. SOKS is actually visible in photos of Russian subs as a series of spikes and cups mounted on external fins.

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According to these newly declassified documents, the old rumors were accurate in one way – the Soviets did not develop just one device, but several. One instrument picked up "activation radionuclides," a faint trail left by the radiation from the sub's onboard nuclear power plant. Another tool was a "gamma ray spectrometer" that detects trace amounts of radioactive elements in seawater.

Sacrificial anodes that prevent corrosion leave a trail of zinc in the water. Minute particles of nickel flake off the pipes circulating seawater to cool the reactor. The system that makes oxygen for the crew leaves behind hydrogen that's still detectable when dissolved in seawater. Together these chemical traces may measure only a few tenths of a part per billion, but sophisticated equipment can find them.


3. Akula is made of Titanium, Indian subs are made of Steel alloys.
 
Better value than DIY and helps balance the relationship with Russia.
 
India is currently working on three nuclear submarine projects — Arihant-class SSBNs, SSNs, and the 13,500 tonne S-5 class SSBNs — but the country remains far from having its own sea deterrent.


Meanwhile, Russia’s K-152 from the Akula-class commissioned as the INS Chakra II, patrols the Indian Ocean to check Chinese expansion.

While India’s success in obtaining self-reliance in the nuclear submarine program is afar, it has taken the Russian vessel on a $900 million lease for 10 years in 2012, which is likely to be extended by three years.

Under the agreement, Indian engineers and sailors traveled to Russia to receive training on how to operate and service the submarine. The Indian navy has used Chakra II to prepare its submarine crews for the introduction of its nuclear-powered Arihant-class submarine line.


In 2019, India had rented an Akula-1 class nuclear-powered attack submarine from Russia for a period of 10 years at a $3billion contract. Russia will deliver the Akula-1 class submarine, to be known as Chakra III, to the Indian Navy by 2025.


The primary aim of Chakra III is to be the testbed to facilitate India’s plans to indigenously produce six nuclear attack submarines. However, amid India-China tensions, Russia’s Akula class nuclear attack submarine will play an important role.

It is a valuable asset, considering China and Pakistan’s relatively weak anti-submarine warfare capabilities. The Akula design has been modernized since it first became operational with new armaments, improved sensors and further reduction of noise to improve survivability.

Akula-class submarine - Wikipedia

Akula-class submarine – Wikipedia
A senior Indian Navy official had told media that the deal includes the refurbishment of the submarines with Indian communication and sensor systems, spares support and training technical infrastructure for its operations.

Earlier this year, under the Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020, the government allowed the three services — Army, Navy and the Air Force — to lease equipment rather than buying them in one go.

“This brings the cost down significantly and also does away with life cycle cost. There are many items that could be procured through leasing,” experts noted.

India has aimed the nuclear submarine projects to be indigenous and 60 percent of the components for the Arihant-class being sourced from local manufacturers. The Indian navy has significantly benefitted from this arrangement with close design-and-technical cooperation from Russia.

The Soviet Union was the first to lease a nuclear submarine in 1986 when the Kremlin inked a deal with New Delhi for the 10-year lease of a Charlie-class nuclear cruise missile submarine. The lease for the first nuclear submarine was soon ended by New Delhi due to the restrictions that accompanied the transfer.

Form the article
Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.
Anti aircraft torpedoes ???

Wow Indian bs has no limit

And the picture is stock photo of USA Seawolf sub
 
India should make the equivalent to (or better then) America’s Ohio class subs.

Assuming they’d want to of course.

A low cost credible deterrent is what we are seeking at this moment. Maybe in the next 15-20 years, we may have something comparable.
 
India should make the equivalent to (or better then) America’s Ohio class subs.

Assuming they’d want to of course.

I don't think US would be sharing tech, nor can India afford it at the moment or any time in the near future.
 
Form the article
Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.
Anti aircraft torpedoes ???

Wow Indian bs has no limit

And the picture is stock photo of USA Seawolf sub
picture is just for representation.
test happened or not, such anti helicopter missiles do exist and the missiles are targeted at a drone as per news.
nothing sci-fi level here

most probably a fake news. because IN would have announced if any such test happened
 
Nuclear submarines can't be purchased.... you can rent them for training..... hence we don't have any options but to acquire nuclear submarines on rent and that too from Russia only as apart from Russia no western submarines are available to India even on rent......

India should make the equivalent to (or better then) America’s Ohio class subs.

Assuming they’d want to of course.

USA Ohio submarines are technically far superior to any Russian submarines..... Indian own arihant class submarines are based on Russian concepts and are still inferior to Russian submarines..... we would not be able to produce Ohio class types when we don't even have any access to them...

I don't think US would be sharing tech, nor can India afford it at the moment or any time in the near future.

Sharing tech of Ohio??? Americans won't even let us touch their Ohios..... and yes you are right.... we simply can't afford..... UK is spending some 2-3 billions euros annually just on the maintenance of its Astutes..... enough said.....
 
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I don't think US would be sharing tech, nor can India afford it at the moment or any time in the near future.

Oh, I don’t think US would be sharing tech either. I meant that they would build something the near equivalent.

Assuming they wanted to or they were able to
 
:rofl: :rofl: It needs to pitch anti aircraft torpedoes?
https://twitter.com/elmihiro

#BREAKING #OSINT: Yesterday, an Indian Army Arihant-class submarine demonstrated a capability that was kept top secret until very recently. Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.


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:rofl: :rofl: It needs to pitch anti aircraft torpedoes?
https://twitter.com/elmihiro

#BREAKING #OSINT: Yesterday, an Indian Army Arihant-class submarine demonstrated a capability that was kept top secret until very recently. Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.
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It's sarcasm. His account is mostly sarcastic posts. The picture I guess is from the movie "The hunt for red October".
 
:rofl: :rofl: It needs to pitch anti aircraft torpedoes?
https://twitter.com/elmihiro

#BREAKING #OSINT: Yesterday, an Indian Army Arihant-class submarine demonstrated a capability that was kept top secret until very recently. Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.
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Now i do understand the limited knowledge of your kind so the enlightenment...


Enjoy...
 
A lot of technology transfer happen in lieu of the lease amount.. the lease is just a cover for Russia to transfer Nuclear Submarine tech, otherwise India would not have paid 3 billion for 10 years of lease, whereas the cost per unit was $1.5 billion for Russia..
 

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