Why Indian SSN/SSBNs are Superior to Chinese ones?

[Gessler]

i do think same

BTW what is Avinash class?

Avinash-class is the S-5 SSBN with a submerged displacement of 20,000 tons.
It carries atleast 6 x 6500-km ICBMs.

OP Please! Arihant is not even seaworthy

Explain that with some relevence instead of trolling with no proof, Chairman
of Think Tanks.

 

[surya kiran]

First submarine objective - getting it to launch a nuke and provide deterrent
Second submarine - Remove deficiencies found in design in first submarine during ops
Third submarine - Standardise model with acceptable drawbacks

Next class - Try and match up to Western and Russian standards of silence.

We are atleast 2 subs away from even learning all the problems associated with sound and building deficiences.

 

[DARKY]

Avinash-class is the S-5 SSBN with a submerged displacement of 20,000 tons.
It carries atleast 6 x 6500-km ICBMs.







Explain that with some relevence instead of trolling with no proof, Chairman
of Think Tanks.

It is not 6 but 16-20.

 

[Gessler]

It is not 6 but 16-20.

Only if triple-packing or quad-packing of missiles in launch silos is developed
by then. But anyway, 6 ICBMs with atleast 10 MIRVed warheads each will be
more than enough.

 

[DARKY]

Only if triple-packing or quad-packing of missiles in launch silos is developed
by then. But anyway, 6 ICBMs with atleast 10 MIRVed warheads each will be
more than enough.

No the design is for 2.4 meter diameter silos numbering anywhere between 16-20.
and a displacement of above 15000+ tons... unsubmerged.

Only if triple-packing or quad-packing of missiles in launch silos is developed
by then. But anyway, 6 ICBMs with atleast 10 MIRVed warheads each will be
more than enough.

No the design is for 2.4 meter diameter silos numbering anywhere between 16-20.
and a displacement of above 15000+ tons... unsubmerged.

 

[Gessler]

No the design is for 2.4 meter diameter silos numbering anywhere between 16-20.
and a displacement of above 15000+ tons... unsubmerged.



No the design is for 2.4 meter diameter silos numbering anywhere between 16-20.
and a displacement of above 15000+ tons... unsubmerged.

The 6500-km sea-launch ICBM will definitely be MIRVed. With 10 warheads on
each (atleast 4 dummies) , each S-5 will carry 36 nukes.

3 x S-5s = 108 nukes.

No need of 16-20 silos. Can you give me a link for these specs?

 

[DARKY]

The 6500-km sea-launch ICBM will definitely be MIRVed. With 10 warheads on
each (atleast 4 dummies) , each S-5 will carry 36 nukes.

3 x S-5s = 108 nukes.

No need of 16-20 silos. Can you give me a link for these specs?

You can look for Delta IV class which has similar design.... and specs.
All other countries too have 16-24 silos for launching missiles on a SSBN.

 

[Yogi]

Ariahnt is based on Akula Class SSN so much so that many in international defense circle thought that India is focussing on SSN rather than SSBN. It's noise levels are in the range of Akula class.

And arihant has already completed her sea trials.. the reason active patrols of arihant is not mentioned is because the first one was always supposed to be a TD and used for training.. Ofcourse we are building the follow ons now !!

Arihant isn't based on Akula by the time Arihant's construction was complete we didn't even had Akula.

Arihant is more of based on Charlie Sub leased from Russia during the late 80s n may also have some inputs from Scorpene design

Akula is much bigger n better sub than the Arihant. Akula II has a surfaced displacement of around 8,500 tons n submergered displacement is around 13,000 tons n can dive as deep as 600m whereas Arihant can dive only 300m.

Akula has a nuke reactor of 190 MW as against Arihants 83 MW.

 

[Pakchina]

Normally and logically, the Indian submarines could be potentially superior being given that India has accessed to Western military technology, for instance France is helping India to build the Scorpene submarine. India has a complete and generous access to US, Israeli and EU submarine technology and all Western military suppliers are supporting and helping India in this sense. The US is even encouraging and supporting this total access of India to whatever it wants. India could procure any military technology and hardware from the US, Israel and EU, even training is provided to Indians. Moreover the West is pushing India to procure and use Western military techologies in view of containing China. On the other hand, there is a total and complete embargo on China regarding military and even civil technologies. Western foreign civil companies are even requested to prevent China to get access to any technology which could be dual use. So China has to do everything by itself. It is really difficult to do everything by your own, even the US seeks the best scientists and engineers from all around the world, it is coopertaing with the EU, Japan etc, but China cannot do this, it cannot cooperate with countries which has mature R and D and technological development due to embargoes imposed by the West. So, congratulations to China which despite such embargoes has been able to produce something. No need also for Indians to be so proud, if same embargoes were imposed on India, the Indian army would be similar to the Haitian and Sudanese armies even inferior.

 

[Gessler]

Normally and logically, the Indian submarines could be potentially superior being given that India has accessed to Western military technology, for instance France is helping India to build the Scorpene submarine. India has a complete and generous access to US, Israeli and EU submarine technology and all Western military suppliers are supporting and helping India in this sense. The US is even encouraging and supporting this total access of India to whatever it wants. India could procure any military technology and hardware from the US, Israel and EU, even training is provided to Indians. Moreover the West is pushing India to procure and use Western military techologies in view of containing China. On the other hand, there is a total and complete embargo on China regarding military and even civil technologies. Western foreign civil companies are even requested to prevent China to get access to any technology which could be dual use. So China has to do everything by itself. It is really difficult to do everything by your own, even the US seeks the best scientists and engineers from all around the world, it is coopertaing with the EU, Japan etc, but China cannot do this, it cannot cooperate with countries which has mature R and D and technological development due to embargoes imposed by the West. So, congratulations to China which despite such embargoes has been able to produce something. No need also for Indians to be so proud, if same embargoes were imposed on India, the Indian army would be similar to the Haitian and Sudanese armies even inferior.

Brainfarter. Think before you post please.

Just look at the chinese jets and helicopters - everything is based/copied from foreign
aircraft. You call this independant? If Russia and Israel denied to give china Su-27
and Lavi,,,the PLAAF would still be flying those J-7s (MIg-21 copy) and J-8 (Su-15 copy)
even in 21st century.

Almost every chinese helicopter is based on a French/European chopper. Even Z-10
attack helo would never be built if Pratt & Whitney didn't tell china how to make a
civilian engine into a military one.

 

[samr23]

Who cares. China and India have some kind of understanding btw then leading to economic rise in both places. As long as Pakistanis can't make an ssn, this region will be peacefull.

 

[Gessler]

Who cares. China and India have some kind of understanding btw then leading to economic rise in both places. As long as Pakistanis can't make an ssn, this region will be peacefull.

but pakistan makes terrorists and until pakistan is vanquished no region in the world
can be peaceful. pak is now helping chechen terrorists to plant bombs and kill innocent
russian people.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Normally and logically, the Indian submarines could be potentially superior being given that India has accessed to Western military technology, for instance France is helping India to build the Scorpene submarine. India has a complete and generous access to US, Israeli and EU submarine technology and all Western military suppliers are supporting and helping India in this sense. The US is even encouraging and supporting this total access of India to whatever it wants. India could procure any military technology and hardware from the US, Israel and EU, even training is provided to Indians. Moreover the West is pushing India to procure and use Western military techologies in view of containing China. On the other hand, there is a total and complete embargo on China regarding military and even civil technologies. Western foreign civil companies are even requested to prevent China to get access to any technology which could be dual use. So China has to do everything by itself. It is really difficult to do everything by your own, even the US seeks the best scientists and engineers from all around the world, it is coopertaing with the EU, Japan etc, but China cannot do this, it cannot cooperate with countries which has mature R and D and technological development due to embargoes imposed by the West. So, congratulations to China which despite such embargoes has been able to produce something. No need also for Indians to be so proud, if same embargoes were imposed on India, the Indian army would be similar to the Haitian and Sudanese armies even inferior.

Really genius? Do u know history or wat? China faces the embargo because it chose to and also India was in sanctions till recently. The only real help we got was from the Russians and some from French, and for which we paid unlike some.
And about Indian Army being similar to so called armies.... Well Ask ur so called State And non -state actors, they know better.

 

[peep]

Arihant isn't based on Akula by the time Arihant's construction was complete we didn't even had Akula.

Arihant is more of based on Charlie Sub leased from Russia during the late 80s n may also have some inputs from Scorpene design

Akula is much bigger n better sub than the Arihant. Akula II has a surfaced displacement of around 8,500 tons n submergered displacement is around 13,000 tons n can dive as deep as 600m whereas Arihant can dive only 300m.

Akula has a nuke reactor of 190 MW as against Arihants 83 MW.

The one we got is Akula-II while Arihant is similar to Akula-I class..

Normally and logically, the Indian submarines could be potentially superior being given that India has accessed to Western military technology, for instance France is helping India to build the Scorpene submarine. India has a complete and generous access to US, Israeli and EU submarine technology and all Western military suppliers are supporting and helping India in this sense. The US is even encouraging and supporting this total access of India to whatever it wants. India could procure any military technology and hardware from the US, Israel and EU, even training is provided to Indians. Moreover the West is pushing India to procure and use Western military techologies in view of containing China. On the other hand, there is a total and complete embargo on China regarding military and even civil technologies. Western foreign civil companies are even requested to prevent China to get access to any technology which could be dual use. So China has to do everything by itself. It is really difficult to do everything by your own, even the US seeks the best scientists and engineers from all around the world, it is coopertaing with the EU, Japan etc, but China cannot do this, it cannot cooperate with countries which has mature R and D and technological development due to embargoes imposed by the West. So, congratulations to China which despite such embargoes has been able to produce something. No need also for Indians to be so proud, if same embargoes were imposed on India, the Indian army would be similar to the Haitian and Sudanese armies even inferior.

Do you even have an idea how crippling the sanctions on India were ? Even razor blade orders from US from India was scrutinized. But India's missile program exponentially grew in these years..

China knew in 60s that it could never come up with something new and they choose to do Ctrl+C and Ctrl+v which led to embargo !!!

 

[Yogi]

Normally and logically, the Indian submarines could be potentially superior being given that India has accessed to Western military technology, for instance France is helping India to build the Scorpene submarine. India has a complete and generous access to US, Israeli and EU submarine technology and all Western military suppliers are supporting and helping India in this sense. The US is even encouraging and supporting this total access of India to whatever it wants. India could procure any military technology and hardware from the US, Israel and EU, even training is provided to Indians. Moreover the West is pushing India to procure and use Western military techologies in view of containing China. On the other hand, there is a total and complete embargo on China regarding military and even civil technologies. Western foreign civil companies are even requested to prevent China to get access to any technology which could be dual use. So China has to do everything by itself. It is really difficult to do everything by your own, even the US seeks the best scientists and engineers from all around the world, it is coopertaing with the EU, Japan etc, but China cannot do this, it cannot cooperate with countries which has mature R and D and technological development due to embargoes imposed by the West. So, congratulations to China which despite such embargoes has been able to produce something. No need also for Indians to be so proud, if same embargoes were imposed on India, the Indian army would be similar to the Haitian and Sudanese armies even inferior.

First get ur facts right US isn't grocery store where India can roam around n take whatever it want. They aren't even ready to provide tot for Javlin missiles even though we r ready to buy them in bid no. they even intentionally delayed sale GE F414 engine even when GE itself didn't had any problem

Isreal itself is importing Subs from Germany if u didn't know

N the first Sropene will be delivered in 2015

N u must be living in la la land if u think only China was under sanctions n the world Nuke market was open for India

For ur kind info India was under much bigger sanctions untill recently since our last nuke test in the 80s

Whereas Nuclear reactor tech was open to China n uptill recently it was using US n western nuke reactors for power generation it came up with its own 1000 MW reactor

China had even much greater access to Russian hardware than India.

So think before u speak...