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World population to reach 8.1 billion in 2025: UN

I agree.
Nuking India is the only humane way to stop population crisis...

I will never support using nuke bombs for a civil course, Never!

I support any move China takes to curb or eliminate Indian migration.
This crisis will only get larger as China gets stronger and India is dwelved into poverty...

We will calibrate carefully our progress. Thanks

But it is sickening to see while we are doing the hard way to control our population and helping the world to alleviate the population expansion problems and still being criticised while shameful indians are being cheerleading on for their immense explosion which is doing great harm to its own self and the rest of the world in the name of "the biggest democracy"! WTF!

Close to 2 million indian kids under 5 years old are dying out of under-nourishment each year! do the fvcking world of the west see that! And that is just the statistics in the "kids under 5-year-old" category!
 
Well our wonderful family planning commission imposes strict one child policy on urban citizens, but have lax policy on rural and minority areas. Lets control population growth of rich Chinese that can give better education to their kids, let poor people have more kids that cannot be fed and educated properly. Isn't the policy funny? I kind of understand their mentality because of their peasant revolution roots, but this is really detrimental for national development.

China's 1 child policy is very similar to world population growth pattern. Rich people have fewer kids, but poor people grow more and more.

A "one child policy" can never make the whole China happy.
Population is the root of a host of issues: education, housing, traffic, food, employment. marriage .. you name it
It is a matter of survival or instant demise for our Nation!
 
India is working on sterilization

India

India’s Poorest Women Coerced Into Sterilization
By Andrew MacAskill - Jun 11, 2013 7:00 PM ET

Sumati Devi knew before she arrived at the grimy government clinic in northern India that she would be paid to be sterilized.

She didn’t know that she would lie on an operating table with bloody sheets, that the scalpel used to open her up would be stained with rust or that she was supposed to first get counseling on other birth-control methods before giving consent to have her fallopian tubes cut and tied.
The main reason Devi had agreed to be sterilized at all was because the $10 she received -- equivalent to about a week’s wages for a poor family -- would help feed her three children.
“I did it out of desperation,” said Devi, 25, as she lay on the concrete floor recuperating at the clinic in the state of Bihar. “We’re so poor, we need the money. Health officials came to our home. They told us it would be best.”
When it comes to family planning, women are on the front lines in India, which has carried out about 37 percent of the world’s female sterilizations. Government-imposed quotas and financial incentives for doctors mean 4.6 million women were sterilized last year, many for cash payments and many in the unsanitary and rudimentary conditions that greeted Devi. Vasectomies, by contrast, accounted for just 4 percent of all sterilizations.
“This is a sign of how downtrodden women are in India, that they don’t even have control of their reproductive rights,” said Kerry McBroom, the director of reproductive rights at the New Delhi-based Human Rights Law Network, which helped to file a court case against the government last year documenting abuse at sterilization camps. “Women are the easiest prey, whether it is government officials or their husbands asking them to undergo the operation.”
Missing Targets
Devi’s plight also highlights the failings of India’s main method for reining in its population. Despite the coercive nature of the program, India has missed every target in the past five decades to reduce its populace, which at the current rate will eclipse China’s by 2021.
The emphasis on surgery is a deterrent for women unwilling to lose the option of having children when they are still young. Like Devi, the majority of women sterilized in Bihar have had three or more children. And India’s decision not to pursue the more expensive option of teaching often illiterate women how to use pills or contraceptives means only about half of couples of child-bearing age practice modern methods of birth control, United Nations data show.
Strained Resources
India, which has 1.2 billion people, is adding on average 18 million more each year, more than the population of the Netherlands. One in five babies born globally starts life in India, straining supplies of land, food and water, and bloating an underemployed, poorly skilled workforce.

“A fast-growing population affects everything: the economy, the environment, quality of life,” said Vishwanath Koliwad, secretary general of the Mumbai-based Family Planning Association of India. “More people means the fruits of our development are further divided.”
At the clinic, held in mid-March in the town of Sonhoula, the 33 women who had registered for surgery lined up in the heat outside as guards carrying bamboo sticks watched over them. They were then led into a dimly lit room, with peeling paint on the walls and bare concrete floors, and placed on makeshift operating tables propped up with bricks.
Dressed in jeans and flip-flops, A.K. Das, the surgeon at the clinic, moved from one operating table to the next as he made an incision below the navel in each woman, then cut and tied their fallopian tubes. The patients were laid shoulder-to-shoulder on the floor in a separate room to recuperate.
Warm Water
Das, who spent three minutes on each operation, ran out of anesthetic with more than 10 patients to go, forcing him to use a weaker sedative. He said he’s paid an extra $2 per patient by the government for continuing to operate under these circumstances. In between each operation an assistant washed the scalpel in a tray filled with warm water.
“The surgical equipment is meant to be brand new, but look at this,” he said, pausing during an operation to hold up the rust-stained scalpel he was using. “This is dirty and that will significantly increase the chance of infection.”
According to United Nations data, 49 percent of all couples in India practice birth control. Of that group, about three-quarters do so by having the wife sterilized.
In neighboring China, the government has since 1979 used the threat of fines and the loss of social services to enforce rules that bar many urban couples from having more than one child. It now is beginning to ease the policy as the population ages and coastal regions face labor shortages.
Welfare Benefits
A majority of those attending sterilization camps in India are lured by incentives such as payments or improved welfare benefits, offered by provincial officials under pressure to meet targets each year, said Abhijit Das, director of the Center for Health and Social Justice in New Delhi, an advocacy group. He isn’t related to the clinic doctor.
“India has the most coercive birth control methods in the world after China,” he said in an interview. “Family planning has become a system of quotas and human beings are the targets.”
While the federal government formally abandoned numerical targets for sterilizations in 1996, that hasn’t filtered down to all states. Most of the operations are performed in the first few months of the year -- a period dubbed “sterilization season” -- so as to fill quotas before the end of the financial year on March 31.
Sterilization Pressure
Health workers in Gujarat were threatened with salary cuts or dismissal if they failed to meet targets, Human Rights Watch said in July. Women are pressured to undergo sterilization surgery without being told they will never again be able to have children, the group said after interviewing 50 health workers. Three calls and two e-mails to the office of Gujarat Health Minister Nitinbhai Patel weren’t answered.
States including Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Punjab give priority to couples willing to undergo sterilization when doling out some benefits, according to a 2012 study by the International Institute for Population Sciences.
“We can’t rely on just one weapon to win this battle,” said Naveen Jindal, a lawmaker with the ruling Congress party who has campaigned on family planning since entering parliament in 2004. “Sterilization is too ineffective. When I go traveling around my constituency, I hear lots of people say they don’t want the operation,” said Jindal, who controls one of the country’s largest steelmakers by value, Jindal Steel & Power Ltd (JSP).
‘Rogue Operators’
S.K. Sikdar, who runs population control programs at the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, rejects the idea that women attend the camps under duress.
“There’s no pressure, people are free to do whatever they like,” Sikdar said at his New Delhi office. “There may be some isolated districts where there are overeager officials, but they are rogue operators.”
Sikdar said sterilization is “one way” that the government is trying to reduce the population. “But we are promoting different birth control methods,” he said.
India was the first country in the world to introduce a policy to deliberately reduce population, beginning in 1952 as hunger mounted in the years following independence. A quarter of a century later, with the press censored and constitutional freedoms suspended by then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, a mass sterilization drive officially targeting men spurred allegations of abuse and coercion of the poor.
Virility Fears
Women are the focus of the sterilization drive because India has a male-dominated culture, said Sona Sharma, joint director of the Population Foundation of India, an advocacy group. “Men fear they will lose their virility or they will become weak if they undergo the operation,” Sharma said. “As the breadwinners they make the decisions.”
Sterilization has helped slow the birth rate. India’s population grew 17.6 percent in the decade to 2011, according to Indian census data, four percentage points less than in the previous 10 years.
The data mask wide regional variations. The number of people living in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh surged 25 percent and 20 percent respectively in the same period.
States that have most successfully curbed population growth are those that have raised education levels, increased work opportunities for women and enabled access to a range of contraceptives, said Jindal.
Falling Fertility
In Kerala, where government policy has achieved almost total literacy, the population grew 4.9 percent, according to census data. Fertility has plunged in the past 40 years in the southern state to 1.7 children per woman from 4.1 children. The national rate is 2.6.
Interviews with medical personnel and non-governmental organizations show the extent to which state governments continue to pursue targets.
“At the end of the year we are judged on how many sterilizations we have done,” said M.A. Rashid, 63, the doctor in charge of the Sonhoula clinic. “If we don’t meet the target, we get a scolding. The government doesn’t want excuses.”
Farooq Khan, a government doctor in Sonhoula, said that financial reward was the main reason the women agreed to be sterilized. “It may only be a small amount, but for these poor people it’s enough that they are willing to give up their reproductive rights,” he said.
Lowest Income
Bihar, where annual per-capita income is the lowest in the country at $420 and the illiteracy rate is the highest, intends to sterilize 650,000 women and 12,000 men annually, according to the state health ministry. This year the state is planning more than 13,000 female sterilization camps.
For cash-strapped Indian state governments, sterilization is a less costly option than funding birth control programs via trained counselors and regular medications. All of the country’s 28 states are estimated to have run fiscal deficits in the year that ended March 31, according to data from the Reserve Bank of India.
Federal budgets for education and welfare programs are also under pressure as India endures its weakest economic growth in a decade. The government says that by 2022, India needs 600 more universities and 35,000 more colleges, and must increase its power-generation capacity by 73 percent. A food program for the poor is being expanded at a cost of $22 billion a year.
Same Needle
Ahead of their operations at the clinic, a medical assistant pricked each woman’s finger, using the same needle on multiple patients, and squeezed out drops of blood to test for anemia. Each patient had a number written on her arm.
Flies swarmed through the windows of the Bihar clinic, landing on patients. Das, the surgeon, removed his surgical mask after several operations because of the heat. Health workers milled about without protective gloves, shoes or masks. When the electricity shut down, a generator was cranked up. Dogs walked down the corridors outside the recovery room.
The women had cotton wool taped over their wounds. Nurses stepped around those lying on the floor, offering painkillers to the ones who groaned in agony.
“The program should be voluntary,” said Das, the surgeon, his face dripping with sweat as he ended his day. “There shouldn’t be any targets. This isn’t why we entered medicine. The entire system needs to be changed.”
 
A "one child policy" can never make the whole China happy.
Population is the root of a host of issues: education, housing, traffic, food, employment. marriage .. you name it
It is a matter of survival or instant demise for our Nation!

Did you mean population is the root cause of those issues you listed? Are you suggesting that we should have as small population as possible? If not small, how much and by what scientific method?

If your logic is right, we humans would have been extinct long ago. We Han Chinese would have never survived so many massacres, invasions from barbarians. We would be like ancient Egyptians that disappeared in dusts of those deserts forever.

A properly managed population is the most precious assets for a nation, and for the planet. This is how humans populated the earth and became dominant species. Only an incompetent government that cannot provide adequate education, health etc, would blame on population. Plus China's wonderful Hukou system and unequal regional developments exacerbate the population congestion in certain areas. In fact, if you break down China by provinces, those provinces are no more densely populated than most countries.

The poverty in developing countries is not population problem since there are poverty in Mongolia, Africa, etc. Huge population in India and China just magnifies developmental issues. Reducing population will not suddenly resolve economic and developmental issues such as what you listed above.
 
A "one child policy" can never make the whole China happy.
Population is the root of a host of issues: education, housing, traffic, food, employment. marriage .. you name it
It is a matter of survival or instant demise for our Nation!

Did you mean population is the root cause of those issues you listed? Are you suggesting that we should have as small population as possible? If not small, how much and by what scientific method?

If your logic is right, we humans would have been extinct long ago. We Han Chinese would have never survived so many massacres, invasions from barbarians. We would be like ancient Egyptians that disappeared in dusts of those deserts forever.

A properly managed population is the most precious assets for a nation, and for the planet. This is how humans populated the earth and became dominant species. Only an incompetent government that cannot provide adequate education, health etc, would blame on population. Plus China's wonderful Hukou system and unequal regional developments exacerbate the population congestion in certain areas. In fact, if you break down China by provinces, those provinces are no more densely populated than most countries.

The poverty in developing countries is not population problem since there are poverty in Mongolia, Africa, etc. Huge population in India and China just magnifies developmental issues. Reducing population will not suddenly resolve economic and developmental issues such as what you listed above.

饮鸩止渴 is what one child policy has been doing, ie. to seemingly solve the immediate problem with poisonous solution that will kill you in the end.
 
We could try reviving a sterlization program initiated by Indira Gandhi.
If worse comes to worse, the world will have to stop Indian migration and let India itself take care of its overpopulation crisis.



It was stopped because of religious issue and Vote Bank Politics. The leading Muslim, Hindu and Christian religious ppl criticized her move. This is happen when we have PM system. The Power remain in Ppl hand and is misused by Vote Banks..
 
One day chinese will wake up and see nothing but Indians everywhere like the Gulf Arab states do. They need to control Indian population somehow.
 
just loving the chineese and their pakistani cheerleaders having brainfarts XD
 
Seriously! India's population control schemes have worked.

The fertility rate is on the decrease, and by or before 2025 India can reach 2.1 fertility rate, where the population will remain stable.

Women's empowerment is a key to this.
 
Planet Uranus awaits you Chinese :D

I see what you did there:D . Even after killing 20 million people by conservative estimates in their great leap forward and still have highest population in the world even after having one child policy for so long . Geez Chinese Breed like rabbits then when they realize there population is too much they kill a few ten millions and continue to breed .
 
Did you mean population is the root cause of those issues you listed? Are you suggesting that we should have as small population as possible? If not small, how much and by what scientific method?

If your logic is right, we humans would have been extinct long ago. We Han Chinese would have never survived so many massacres, invasions from barbarians. We would be like ancient Egyptians that disappeared in dusts of those deserts forever.

A properly managed population is the most precious assets for a nation, and for the planet. This is how humans populated the earth and became dominant species. Only an incompetent government that cannot provide adequate education, health etc, would blame on population. Plus China's wonderful Hukou system and unequal regional developments exacerbate the population congestion in certain areas. In fact, if you break down China by provinces, those provinces are no more densely populated than most countries.

The poverty in developing countries is not population problem since there are poverty in Mongolia, Africa, etc. Huge population in India and China just magnifies developmental issues. Reducing population will not suddenly resolve economic and developmental issues such as what you listed above.

饮鸩止渴 is what one child policy has been doing, ie. to seemingly solve the immediate problem with poisonous solution that will kill you in the end.

It is a matter of a fair share of demand and the scarcity of resources! And I add one more dimension - the impact of science and tecnnology on the population issues. why is it so hard to understand?
 
One day chinese will wake up and see nothing but Indians everywhere like the Gulf Arab states do. They need to control Indian population somehow.

That is unrealistic. Policy can be changed overnight. But born humans are there for survival unless they are vanished due to starvation diseases calamity accidents suicides or man-made disasters

I agree to what you said in Mid East which is a stark revelation to everyone other than indians!
We must avoid that from happening in China at all costs
 
The mindset of people on this forum is absolutely disgusting. If the muslims are sterilized from India her growth rate will be in the negatives.
 

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