27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Thorough Pro]

they died

what if the "about to be released info" also has proofs of Su-30 going down.....i mean they didnt award anything to ANY Su 30 pilots who participated in their op, we have got AMRAAM dodgers but nothing for AMRAAM EATERS....it really takes guts to fly into an incoming AMRAAM.....more than dodging.....

 

[Riz]

Why no Awards for the IAF pilot who phullly dodged 5 incoming AMAARAMs and set another world record after Phamous holly wood pilot TOM cruse ??

 

[Reichmarshal]

The realization that has come soo late to all think tanks in Pakistan is that money talks and everyone else can take their principles and shove them where the ISSB physical exam takes a peek

 

[SQ8]

It was afternoon of first week in August, had to wear suit and Tie and then stand in the sweltering heat to welcome guests, could see regular incoming and outgoing flights of C-130s but the food was good and staff attentive.

Elder one or younger one? They should be in their 20’s now?

 

[Windjammer]

Elder one or younger one? They should be in their 20’s now?

From the Admins side it must have been the elder as he was a former PAF officer but only spoke to him over the phone. The few times I visited the venue he wasn't there. But the others were very courteous. Loved the work of the lady they hired to do the fresh flower arrangements and decorate the stage. Mind you it costed us few lacs more than what the Blue Lagoon in Sadar quoted.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

...i mean they didnt award anything to ANY Su 30 pilots who participated in their op,

Why no Awards for the IAF pilot who phullly dodged 5 incoming AMAARAMs and set another world record after Phamous holly wood pilot TOM cruse ??

The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

IAF Su-30 MKI pilots who neutralized multiple AMRAAM missiles to be awarded

defence.pk

 

[Riz]

The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

IAF Su-30 MKI pilots who neutralized multiple AMRAAM missiles to be awarded

defence.pk

Where are the wreckages of the five remaining AMARAAMs which famous SU-30 dodged ?? iAF showed one within few hours of skirmish why they never shown the parts of remaining five AMMRAAMS ?

 

[Windjammer]

The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

IAF Su-30 MKI pilots who neutralized multiple AMRAAM missiles to be awarded

defence.pk

And these people have such gloomy faces as they had to search and pull out this AMRAAM wreckage from the 56'' Pichwara.

 

[SIPRA]

The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

 

[arjunk]

India would award osama bin laden for being a "drone dodger" if they could.

 

[Riz]

One of the story which this motar drinker wasi military made to convince there peee drinker janta that local kashmiri peoples killed the both F-16 pilots with beards considered them as sikh pilots and they leave abhinanadan with mustaches style which never even exist in Pakistan These pajeets don’t know that every pilot had a name plate on his chest either they are indian or Pakistanis.. kis kis ko hutiaa bano gay ?

 

[Windjammer]

The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

IAF Su-30 MKI pilots who neutralized multiple AMRAAM missiles to be awarded

defence.pk

 

[Pak Nationalist]

There are different accounts.
IAF mirages did fire and the bombs landed in AJK. The escalation was on cards already and a strike was imminent yet it was allowed to occur. PAF eventually chased them away but this could have been avoided once it was known that IAF was scrambling strike sorties. Even if IAF fired from with-in IOK, the threat of PAF’s BVR equipped aircrafts could have deterred them. The Radars could have picked them up after they had Taken off, they aligned themselves in a formation to attack and were vectoring towards LOC.
So at what instance did radar pick them up ?
And how delayed were PAF aircrafts in closing in on them on LOC ?

To prevent this in future, what necessary actions should be taken ?

AWACS and EW aircrafts were used during PAF’s raid on IOK, should they have been put in place a day earlier too when IAF attack was expected ?

and the concern is IAF stretching PAF from skardu to masroor, how to cater for that?

It is said that our AD assets were not activated in AJK. We were expecting something in Punjab proper. It was an intelligence failure, if true. The more troubling prospect is the assets being active in AJK, but as the Indians claim, were jammed. A lot of ink has been spilt on the events of 27th Feb, but for our sake, I think we must look at the events of 26th Feb more closely. Why were any losses not inflicted on the opposing side that day? On 27th feb, Indians might have known that our leaders lack the will to launch a strike across the IB (they did bomb sovereign Pakistani territory, not AJK), so they concentrated their vigil in IoK. That gave them an opportunity to give chase to our strikers which resulted in the final melee. We were not able to do so either due to faulty intelligence, or our CAPs being stretched thin by foe's diversionary tactics, or our AD assets being jammed successfully.

 

[SQ8]

It is said that our AD assets were not activated in AJK. We were expecting something in Punjab proper. It was an intelligence failure, if true. The more troubling prospect is the assets being active in AJK, but as the Indians claim were jammed. A lot of ink has been spilt on the events of 27th Feb, but for our sake, I think we must look at the events of 26th Feb more closely. Why were any losses not inflicted on the opposing side that day? On 27th feb, Indians might have known that our leaders lack the courage to launch a strike across the IB (they did bomb sovereign Pakistani territory, not AJK), so they concentrated their vigil in IoK. That gave them an opportunity to give chase to our strikers which resulted in the final melee. We were not able to do so either due to faulty intelligence, or our CAPs being stretched thin by foe's diversionary tactics or our AD assets being jammed successfully.

Agree that 26th February demands more introspection in terms of the response from the Pakistani AD.

But, please read my post on this thread as well as why long existing RoEs and plain fog on what they had actually done prevented engagement.

Lets say the Rules Of Engagement were relaxed and Pakistani aircraft gave chase into IoK and IB - what do you suppose would have happened then?
As a person who seems to be sitting in the United States which has the greatest air force in the world you should look at US history when facing an inferior enemy but having restricted RoE.

There are factors that go into maintaining CAPs besides the ~$14000/hr for the JF-17 and $24000/hr for the F-16.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Keep in mind that India was terming PAF actions as an act of war.
It later transpired that this wasn't related to raiding Indian ground targets or shooting down of the MiG-21 as the ground targets never were hit directly and the MiG was shot down inside Pak airspace.
Targeting the SU-30 deep inside Indian airspace really rattled the Indians calling it an act of war thus threatening with missile strikes.

I reckon that was in relation to Pakistan bombing territory that Ind claims as its own. However, it makes little sense for them to protest in this manner when they themselves bombed sovereign Pakistani territory just a day earlier. Maybe you are right in this context, and taking shot/s at acs deep within Ind controlled airspace is what made them make a statement that otherwise makes zero sense.