PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Deino]

Hi,

So as you stated earlier, you are a like a 8th to 10th grade teacher---?

According to the German school system it's the 5th to 12th grade. Kids start usually at the age of 6 in "Klasse 1" (grade 1) until "Klasse 4 (grade 4) at the primary school. After that you can decide and depending type of school you visit school for 8-9 years - aka grade 8-12 or 5-13 - until you make your "Abitur", which is the higher level of education that certificates you of "university entrance qualification"

PLAAF version

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But that the old J-10A version

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

For a while I also thought that J-10's performance gap with JF-17 was not big enough to justify a buy decision.

How big is the difference?

 

[Deino]

By the way just a quick question since some media outlet say so: ... were they really inducted into the service’s No. 15 ‘Cobras’ Squadron or just unveiled to the public?

 

[SQ8]

By the way just a quick question since some media outlet say so: ... were they really inducted into the service’s No. 15 ‘Cobras’ Squadron or just unveiled to the public?

Depends on what you define as induction. They are now part of 15sq which will continue working up on the aircraft. Still a long way to go in terms of logistics, operational integration and the nitty gritty.

But, they can go to war today if needed even if not fully integrated into the battle plan.
Will I call it an IOC? Not sure

 

[HuangHe]

PL15E and PL10E

PL15E is the export version of PL15. The range is reduced from 200km to 145km.

 

[Deino]

Depends on what you define as induction. They are now part of 15sq which will continue working up on the aircraft. Still a long way to go in terms of logistics, operational integration and the nitty gritty.

But, they can go to war today if needed even if not fully integrated into the battle plan.
Will I call it an IOC? Not sure

Hmm? My point is, are they now indeed already part of the 15th Squadron or was it more a formal or official induction like a "welcome to Pakistan and here we are"! ceremony?

 

[Zarvan]

Hmm? My point is, are they now indeed already part of the 15th Squadron or was it more a formal or official induction like a "welcome to Pakistan and here we are"! ceremony?

It was a welcome ceremony but they are becoming part of 15th squadron which co incidentally Air Chief had also headed in his young days.

 

[ahtan_china]

According to the German school system it's the 5th to 12th grade. Kids start usually at the age of 6 in "Klasse 1" (grade 1) until "Klasse 4 (grade 4) at the primary school. After that you can decide and depending type of school you visit school for 8-9 years - aka grade 8-12 or 5-13 - until you make your "Abitur", which is the higher level of education that certificates you of "university entrance qualification"




But that the old J-10A version

This guy will have a look the parachute of PLAAF.

 

[TheSolution]

PL15E is the export version of PL15. The range is reduced from 200km to 145km.

I remember some Chinese members stating its range at 300km lol

 

[Deino]

I remember some Chinese members stating its range at 300km lol

But that's always only since some confuse the PL-15 with the PL-2X or whatever its designation is.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Story end officially we got E variant with J10 which cannot be undone, so we have to accept it.

Note : unofficial induction of actual variant if possible, but we will not know untill used

But that's always only since some confuse the PL-15 with the PL-2X or whatever its designation is.

PL21/pl 2x has any E version yet ot not

 

[The Terminator]

I have heard from some western that AESA seeker of that small size like in PL-15 is worse in performance than the regular seekers but has better ECCM capabilities? @Deino

 

[jaybird]

I remember some Chinese members stating its range at 300km lol

They are confusing PL-15 with this huge unknown PL-XX aam or PL-21 that is supposedly with the range of 300KM-400KM kind of comparable to Russian R-37 and U.S AIM-260. PL-15 never claimed 300KM range by the Chinese. Most guess it was around 200KM.

 

[TheSolution]

They are confusing PL-15 with this huge unknown PL-XX aam or PL-21 that is supposedly with the range of 300KM-400KM kind of comparable to Russian R-37 and U.S AIM-260. PL-15 never claimed 300KM range by the Chinese. Most guess it was around 200KM.View attachment 823707

I think it's also because of Wikipedia

It states 200 - 300 KM

 

[Zarvan]

I remember some Chinese members stating its range at 300km lol

China never declares real range. Even if they are writing something on the card don't believe it. That is just for show to MTCR and other organizations. And that is how it should be. Real deal is always different. Pakistan if has gone for PL 15 means its range is 200 KM and more. Pakistan won't go for PL 15 until Pakistan is sure the range matches or exceeds that of Meteor.