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What those people don’t understand. Ukraine is now a candidate. Ukraine now has in its hands to decide, the time, the pace, the speed, how quick it can be in the EU. The faster Ukraine adopts EU rules the quicker Ukraine is in the EU.
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At this stage, both drone and artillery system is important.
They needed those cheap drone that you can spot Russian Artillery so you can do effective COUNTBAT. Or have them waste their ammo and fire at them costing them millions dollars. They need either or both cheap and EW drone.
But then we need to do them one step at a time, you need to have enough MLRS and SPG to make those component works, 10 system is really not too much, you need at least 60 now, and another 60 to replace in 2 or 3 months......
Definitely need cheap drones, but drones with long range to see far behind enemy lines where their supply depots are at along with other strategic or tactical values including Russian artillery. Saw on twitter they used a Chinese drone that cost 10k for kamikaze attack on a refinery like the Houthis did in Saudi Arabia. Pretty crazy!
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Well, there are two ways you can go.
Either source specific purpose drone and do it the way you want to do, or go get whatever you have in your hands and work it out how you can get the max out of these drone.
One way or another, this war is going to rewrite the OP for drone warfare, and I am not talking the big guy like Predator or Reaper but smaller stuff like how you can fit DJI with a grenade or how loitering munition being used in expanded and warfare. Drone will no longer be know as a tool for ISTAR, but instead it will incorporate to just about any or every military unit and adapted into those role by those unit that use them.
Mark my word, there are going to be a Blank-Purpose Drone where you can build it to suit your need by the people who use them on the field, like lego.
Heavy cargo drone. Useful for less risky supply, something we learn in Mariupol when they sent in helos to resupply and bring back the wounded.
The U.S. Army should have a medium stealth version of the TB2 like drone with long range and SATCOM capabilities for sure along with loitering munition or long range weaponry like SPIKE ER or something that has 50km range at least. Right now its Predator size drones. The smaller drones usually for recon but no attack capability used by the Army.
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I would say we need a full spectrum of drone, not just the big guys
The Army should consider smaller and more undetectable drone and try to max out their capability.
But for the big drone, I would like them to keep working on the NLOS rocket drone that use Spike a while ago, basically it's a drone with a Spike NLOS system onboard and you can drone it just anywhere to provide fire support, Not sure what become of those drone now.
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Rafael unveils new Spike NLOS missile version with in-flight control transfer - Breaking Defense
The new version of the Spike NLOS has a target production date of 2023, Rafael officials said.
Rafael unveils new Spike NLOS missile version with in-flight control transfer
The new version of the Spike NLOS has a target production date of 2023, Rafael officials said.
TEL AVIV: Israeli firm Rafael has unveiled a new version of its Spike missile, and has teamed with Lockheed Martin to market the system in the US.
The two firms plan to demonstrate the weapon for US forces in early 2023, Rafael officials claimed June 9, while pledging that production would also begin early in the next calendar year.
Branded as the Spike Non-Line-Of-Sight missile system (NLOS) 6th generation, Rafael officials told reporters at an in-person briefing that the new system comes with a number of new features, starting with the fact it can be launched in salvor of up to four missiles at once, with flexible control of the weapons.
“Each of the missiles can be directed in the final phase of its trajectory to hit different targets in the area,” Zvi Marmor, head of the precision tactical weapon systems division in Rafael, said. “This capability crates an immediate effect.”
"Rafael claims the weapon now ranges up to 50 km when launched from a helicopter and up to 32 km from land and naval platforms. When asked if the new version can be carried by fixed-wing aircraft or UAV, the Rafael official said that a strategic UAV like the Heron–TP made by Israel aerospace industries can carry the missile."
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It seems that with MLRS it is more a question of the number of rockets , than the number of units.
As for artillery , where it is more of a number games. The only system that can be transferred to Ukraine in large enough numbers , are the m109 howitzers .
Take the Caesar artillery for example , great system . but France has less than 100 of those. You cant expect a country to give up all it's artillery arsenal.
US has almost 1000 m109 and can easily transfer 100 of them. Ukraine already has between 40-60 m109 . Another 100 would mean that Ukraine would finely have one main artillery system.
I understand from what you wrote , that it takes a while to learn an operate the m109 , but after looking at all the available artillery systems out there , i just don't see another way to go.
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. How many innocent people do you think will die if this spills out into a full on war with Russia? Suppose we threaten them and they don't back down? Then that's our planes against theirs, and their anti aircraft on the ground and on ships start shooting our planes down. So we have to bomb that and their radar detection and airfields inside Russia. Then they start bombing nearby nato counties in retaliation. And that's potentially just the beginning who knows what happens then. It's easy watching and doing nothing but sometimes doing something makes things a hell of a lot worse
Jhungary and I talked about how Poland or some other country nearby could help Ukraine build their own version of the Caesar artillery the Bohdona which they have a prototype of it. But yeah right now they U.S. should give about a 100 M109s. Think we have many in storage at least. M198s would help but only towed but better than nothing with need for more artillery systems. Think Ukraine were building their own HIMARS version or something but think it was a prototype but I think this is a Ukrainian version of the Uragan. Could be able to fire GPS guided maybe. Still prefer it had pods for quick reload.
Russia just threaten Lithuania with vague threats because of refusing to allow supplies through Kaliningrad, IMO, they aren't going to do crap. They keep screaming about using nukes for many months with all the military support provided. Its just brinkmanship. Putin knows it. Will NATO intervene directly to help Ukraine? No. Also I was mentioning what if scenario but like I said it was too extreme. What I think could help Ukraine but not push to full blown war is providing F-16s to Ukraine to defend its own airspace without the need for NATO to intervene.
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The Bureviy 220mm MLRS is equipped with a digital fire control system, including an information exchange system on the battlefield. This allows the Bureviy to be included in a single reconnaissance and strike circuit, when information from reconnaissance vehicles, such as UAVs, is transmitted online to the means of destruction. This minimizes the time from target detection to destruction in minutes.
The rockets launched by the BM-27 MLRS can reach a firing range from 35 to 40 km, while the Bureviy has a firing range from 35 to 65 km. The Bureviy can fire all the 220mm rockets including 9M27F HE-Frag (High Explosive Fragmentation), and the unguided rockets 9M27K loaded with fragmentation sub-munitions, 9M59, and 9M27K2.
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The Bureviy 220mm MLRS is equipped with a digital fire control system, including an information exchange system on the battlefield. This allows the Bureviy to be included in a single reconnaissance and strike circuit, when information from reconnaissance vehicles, such as UAVs, is transmitted online to the means of destruction. This minimizes the time from target detection to destruction in minutes.
The rockets launched by the BM-27 MLRS can reach a firing range from 35 to 40 km, while the Bureviy has a firing range from 35 to 65 km. The Bureviy can fire all the 220mm rockets including 9M27F HE-Frag (High Explosive Fragmentation), and the unguided rockets 9M27K loaded with fragmentation sub-munitions, 9M59, and 9M27K2.
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Frustration grows in Ukraine as casualties spike and Russia takes more territory
“The reality is different from the official comments,” said Luiza Dorner, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas. “Every day has a high price.”
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By Lauren Egan
KYIV, Ukraine — Russia’s invasion in February prompted a wave of public support for the government of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as millions of Ukrainians raced to help defend their homeland. Four months later — amid Russian advances and spiking casualties — anger and frustration over the handling of the war is swelling.
In interviews with Ukrainians who have family members fighting the invaders, many said they were upset with the military leadership for deploying inexperienced people to the front lines, and at times sending them into battle without as much as a medical or a psychological examination.
“I am ready to protest,” said Viktoriia Bilan-Rashchuk, 43, of Kyiv, whose husband, Volodymyr, a theater actor with no previous military experience, is fighting on the eastern front line in Sievierodonetsk. Last month, she said, she raised money to send his unit protective headphones — standard military equipment used to prevent hearing loss for soldiers firing off rocket systems.
“No one even taught him how to shoot.”
OLENA ZHABYAK-SHEREMET
“The government isn’t doing enough to support them. The longer this goes on, the more people will become upset,” Bilan-Rashchuk said in Ukrainian, speaking through a translator.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.
Since Russia invaded in February, thousands of Ukrainians with no military background have volunteered to fight. To boost its war efforts, the Ukrainian government has also banned men ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country in case it needs to start a draft. In May, Zelenskyy said the country’s military had 700,000 service members, including women.
Through a relentless campaign of appearances, interviews and statements, Zelenskyy has fought to keep morale high among troops and the general public and plead the country’s case to the international community. But Russian artillery attacks have intensified in the east in recent months, pushing the Ukrainian military death toll to between 100 and 200 soldiers a day in combat, with another 500 injured every day, according to Ukrainian officials, the BBC reported earlier this month.
In his daily address June 14, Zelenskyy called the losses “painful” but said Ukrainians “have to hold on.”
Despite the high death toll, Ukrainian officials have maintained that troops are well taken care of, with sufficient training, food, equipment and rest.
But as the war grinds on, what makes some Ukrainians especially angry is the lack of basic military equipment for those on the front lines. Some military families have been forced to organize donation drives to send medical supplies and military equipment to the front lines.
Svitlana Lukianenko, whose husband worked in information technology before the war but is now fighting near Sievierodonetsk, worries the Ukrainian military is not replacing the dead and injured soldiers fast enough, leaving her husband at greater risk with each passing day.
“The government needs to mobilize more people, but they also need to train them. There’s not enough training, and it’s a big problem,” she said. “That’s why we have such a high death toll.”
“We are angry for them,” Lukianenko added.
Zelenskyy has also dismissed reports that some front-line troops had poor protective equipment.
“The reports I receive are significantly different from what is discussed by society,” he said in the same address.
“Today, everyone in the areas of hostilities must have everything they need to protect themselves,” he said. “The state provides such supplies.”
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Luiza Dorner, 25, of Kyiv, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas region, said statements from Zelenskyy and other government officials have started to ring hollow. When she talks to her husband on the phone, she said, she can hear the fear and exhaustion in his voice.
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“The reality is different from the official comments,” she said. “Every day has a high price.”
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Igor Khort, who is in charge of training for the Territorial Defense Force, the volunteer unit of the Ukrainian army, said they only have the capacity to train roughly 120 people each week in Kyiv, the capital and largest city. New soldiers get just five days of training before being sent to the battlefield, he said.Retired U.S. Marine Col. Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, called five days of training “woefully inadequate.”
“The Ukrainians are going to have to come up with something. This is a marathon and not a sprint,” he said. For comparison, he said, Marines receive roughly 20 weeks of training before being sent into combat.
When asked whether it was responsible to send soldiers to the front lines without more training and preparation, Khort said, “They signed up themselves.”
“And as John F. Kennedy said in his inaugural speech, ‘Don’t ask what the country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.’ And so they are doing the impossible for their country,” he added.
While softening public support for the government’s war response might be primarily a political problem for Zelenskyy for now, Cancian said it could impact the direction of the war if changes are not made.
“In the near term, it’s a political problem. If they do nothing about it, it will become a military problem,” he said. “Ultimately what matters is whether units are starting to crack — whether you’re seeing units that are withdrawing or refusing to fight, or if you start to see a lot of desertions.”
The frustration with the government is particularly acute in the west, where many Ukrainians volunteered to serve in the relative safety of cities like Lviv. Some women have said their husbands joined the Territorial Defense Force with the expectation that they would serve in the district where they live, rather than on the front lines in the east.
Olena Zhabyak-Sheremet, 52, said her husband joined the force when the war started under the impression he would serve in the Lviv area working at checkpoints. But at the beginning of April, he was told to pack his bag to head east. If he refused, she said, commanders threatened to label him a deserter. She has not seen him since.
“No one even taught him how to shoot,” she said. “Out of the blue, he was sent into the thick of it.”
Zhabyak-Sheremet and other women in Lviv have written letters to government and military officials demanding answers as to why their loved ones were forced to leave their home districts, but she said they have not received responses.
She said the high death toll did not surprise her.
“They can’t push back the enemy because they have no training,” Zhabyak-Sheremet said. “And the result is heavy losses.”
CORRECTION (June 23, 2022, 12:35 p.m. ET): A previous version of this article misspelled the first name of Ukraine’s president. He is Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not Vlodymyr.
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Yeah what i do not understand is why ukraine is funneling so many territorial defence forces into donbass while seemingly keeping a lot of their better trained/experienced troops in reserve.Frustration grows in Ukraine as casualties spike and Russia takes more territory
“The reality is different from the official comments,” said Luiza Dorner, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas. “Every day has a high price.”
Frustration grows in Ukraine as casualties spike and Russia takes more territory
“The reality is different from the official comments,” said Luiza Dorner, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas. “Every day has a high price.”
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By Lauren Egan
KYIV, Ukraine — Russia’s invasion in February prompted a wave of public support for the government of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as millions of Ukrainians raced to help defend their homeland. Four months later — amid Russian advances and spiking casualties — anger and frustration over the handling of the war is swelling.
In interviews with Ukrainians who have family members fighting the invaders, many said they were upset with the military leadership for deploying inexperienced people to the front lines, and at times sending them into battle without as much as a medical or a psychological examination.
“I am ready to protest,” said Viktoriia Bilan-Rashchuk, 43, of Kyiv, whose husband, Volodymyr, a theater actor with no previous military experience, is fighting on the eastern front line in Sievierodonetsk. Last month, she said, she raised money to send his unit protective headphones — standard military equipment used to prevent hearing loss for soldiers firing off rocket systems.
“No one even taught him how to shoot.”
OLENA ZHABYAK-SHEREMET
“The government isn’t doing enough to support them. The longer this goes on, the more people will become upset,” Bilan-Rashchuk said in Ukrainian, speaking through a translator.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.
Since Russia invaded in February, thousands of Ukrainians with no military background have volunteered to fight. To boost its war efforts, the Ukrainian government has also banned men ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country in case it needs to start a draft. In May, Zelenskyy said the country’s military had 700,000 service members, including women.
Through a relentless campaign of appearances, interviews and statements, Zelenskyy has fought to keep morale high among troops and the general public and plead the country’s case to the international community. But Russian artillery attacks have intensified in the east in recent months, pushing the Ukrainian military death toll to between 100 and 200 soldiers a day in combat, with another 500 injured every day, according to Ukrainian officials, the BBC reported earlier this month.
A soldier rests at a checkpoint in Sievierodonetsk in eastern Ukraine, where fighting has been especially fierce.Yasuyoshi Chiba / AFP via Getty Images
In his daily address June 14, Zelenskyy called the losses “painful” but said Ukrainians “have to hold on.”
Despite the high death toll, Ukrainian officials have maintained that troops are well taken care of, with sufficient training, food, equipment and rest.
But as the war grinds on, what makes some Ukrainians especially angry is the lack of basic military equipment for those on the front lines. Some military families have been forced to organize donation drives to send medical supplies and military equipment to the front lines.
Svitlana Lukianenko, whose husband worked in information technology before the war but is now fighting near Sievierodonetsk, worries the Ukrainian military is not replacing the dead and injured soldiers fast enough, leaving her husband at greater risk with each passing day.
“The government needs to mobilize more people, but they also need to train them. There’s not enough training, and it’s a big problem,” she said. “That’s why we have such a high death toll.”
“We are angry for them,” Lukianenko added.
Zelenskyy has also dismissed reports that some front-line troops had poor protective equipment.
“The reports I receive are significantly different from what is discussed by society,” he said in the same address.
“Today, everyone in the areas of hostilities must have everything they need to protect themselves,” he said. “The state provides such supplies.”
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Luiza Dorner, 25, of Kyiv, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas region, said statements from Zelenskyy and other government officials have started to ring hollow. When she talks to her husband on the phone, she said, she can hear the fear and exhaustion in his voice.
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Mourners cry during a funeral for two Ukrainian soldiers who died in Kharkiv. Russian artillery attacks have intensified in the country's east, pushing the Ukrainian military death toll to between 100 and 200 soldiers a day in combat, according to an aide to the president.Metin Atkas / Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
“The reality is different from the official comments,” she said. “Every day has a high price.”
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Igor Khort, who is in charge of training for the Territorial Defense Force, the volunteer unit of the Ukrainian army, said they only have the capacity to train roughly 120 people each week in Kyiv, the capital and largest city. New soldiers get just five days of training before being sent to the battlefield, he said.
Retired U.S. Marine Col. Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, called five days of training “woefully inadequate.”
“The Ukrainians are going to have to come up with something. This is a marathon and not a sprint,” he said. For comparison, he said, Marines receive roughly 20 weeks of training before being sent into combat.
When asked whether it was responsible to send soldiers to the front lines without more training and preparation, Khort said, “They signed up themselves.”
“And as John F. Kennedy said in his inaugural speech, ‘Don’t ask what the country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.’ And so they are doing the impossible for their country,” he added.
While softening public support for the government’s war response might be primarily a political problem for Zelenskyy for now, Cancian said it could impact the direction of the war if changes are not made.
“In the near term, it’s a political problem. If they do nothing about it, it will become a military problem,” he said. “Ultimately what matters is whether units are starting to crack — whether you’re seeing units that are withdrawing or refusing to fight, or if you start to see a lot of desertions.”
Soldiers sit atop a tank in the Donetsk region. To boost its war efforts, the government has banned men ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country in case it needs to start a draft.Efrem Lukatsky / AP
The frustration with the government is particularly acute in the west, where many Ukrainians volunteered to serve in the relative safety of cities like Lviv. Some women have said their husbands joined the Territorial Defense Force with the expectation that they would serve in the district where they live, rather than on the front lines in the east.
Olena Zhabyak-Sheremet, 52, said her husband joined the force when the war started under the impression he would serve in the Lviv area working at checkpoints. But at the beginning of April, he was told to pack his bag to head east. If he refused, she said, commanders threatened to label him a deserter. She has not seen him since.
“No one even taught him how to shoot,” she said. “Out of the blue, he was sent into the thick of it.”
Zhabyak-Sheremet and other women in Lviv have written letters to government and military officials demanding answers as to why their loved ones were forced to leave their home districts, but she said they have not received responses.
She said the high death toll did not surprise her.
“They can’t push back the enemy because they have no training,” Zhabyak-Sheremet said. “And the result is heavy losses.”
CORRECTION (June 23, 2022, 12:35 p.m. ET): A previous version of this article misspelled the first name of Ukraine’s president. He is Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not Vlodymyr.
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Or taking a “no step back” approach around severodonetsk.
Unless they really are having a larger counter-offensive planned in august.
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Analysis: Discover combat capabilities of new Ukrainian Bureviy 220mm MLRS Multiple Launch Rocket System used to fight Russian troops
Armed Forces of Ukraine Use New "Bureviy" MLRS at the Front Line | Defense Express
On the Internet was spread the video with the Newest Ukrainian "Bureviy" MLRS
The Bureviy 220mm MLRS is equipped with a digital fire control system, including an information exchange system on the battlefield. This allows the Bureviy to be included in a single reconnaissance and strike circuit, when information from reconnaissance vehicles, such as UAVs, is transmitted online to the means of destruction. This minimizes the time from target detection to destruction in minutes.
The rockets launched by the BM-27 MLRS can reach a firing range from 35 to 40 km, while the Bureviy has a firing range from 35 to 65 km. The Bureviy can fire all the 220mm rockets including 9M27F HE-Frag (High Explosive Fragmentation), and the unguided rockets 9M27K loaded with fragmentation sub-munitions, 9M59, and 9M27K2.
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