US to continue spy flights after jets 'pursued' by China over Taiwan

[gambit]

There is no evasion, just false accusations from you. South Vietnam crumbled despite the American support. If the people did not support the communists, that would not have been the case Thus, the logical conclusion is that communism was embraced by the majority and only a minority was against it. The use of violence you spoke of was simply a futile attempt to hold on to power. You are free to fight for your beliefs, but it does not mean you will win.

Then you implied that I am a communist, when you have no idea what my political beliefs are.

Pathetic~

Now that is a pathetic argument in light of history. If true, then South Viet Nam would have fallen in the 1968 Tet Offensive when the North speculated that the Southern people would rise against their government. Instead, South Viet Nam held on until the US refused to support the war further while both China and the Soviets continued to support the North.

Regardless of your ideological persuasions, my questions still stands. But your continuing evasions of them speaks what you are too cowardly to declare. So...

- Do you approve of violence when persuasions failed?

- Do you approve of retreat when resisted on intellectual grounds?

- Do you approve of immediate use of violence when it is clear that someone is incapable of resistance?

Those are fair enough questions regardless of ideological persuasions. Brave and committed communists have no problems answering in the positive. Non-communists have no problems answering in the negative. I see no reason why you should be so afraid.

 

[NiceGuy]

This is for everyone to see the 'logic' of communism...

Communist North Viet Nam wanted to violently take over the country. South Viet Nam resisted in the best way they know how when confronted with violence: Violence. But since South Viet Nam was defeated, that prove the argument that resistance should be avoided because it is proven to be a failure against violence.

We can only drop our jaws in wonder at how such 'logic' can be held in someone's mind.

My over sea VNese brother, why do you keep avoiding the Trust ??North VN was communist coz we need SOveit-China support to fought with France and US after that. Where were all South VN soldiers during French colony times ???or they Worked for the Frecnh and Betrayed our Mother land ???

South VN govt. wanna join back with North VN during Mr. Ngo Dinh Diem times, that the reason he was assasinated. Mr. Nguyen Van Thieu and his vice president : Nguyen Cao Ky were US.puppet. They admited that: they're just US's mercenaries, just like S.Korea.They had No belief but the need of Money, that all.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Does anybody in this forum have the heart for cold war part deux?

 

[peaceful]

My over sea VNese brother, why do you keep avoiding the Trust ??North VN was communist coz we need SOveit-China support to fought with France and US after that. Where were all South VN soldiers during French colony times ???or they Worked for the Frecnh and Betrayed our Mother land ???

South VN govt. wanna join back with North VN during Mr. Ngo Dinh Diem times, that the reason he was assasinated. Mr. Nguyen Van Thieu and his vice president : Nguyen Cao Ky were US.puppet. They admited that: they're just US's mercenaries, just like S.Korea.They had No belief but the need of Money, that all.

35 years after the war, vietnam is still a shithole nation because the current communist regime of vietnam systematically failed generations of vietnamese. you tell me which one is worse, south vietnam regime or the current regime.

dude, cold war is over, communism didn't work. time to stop your stupid logic, time to have a armed uprising against your communist regime in hanoi. time to clean your dump site and start constructing your nation.

you can't do this under your communist regime. they are failing you, your children and your future.

"motherland"? what a lovely joke. your regime couldn't care less for its people and nation. they don't call it "motherland", they call it their pig farms.

 

[peaceful]

There is no evasion, just false accusations from you. South Vietnam crumbled despite the American support. If the people did not support the communists, that would not have been the case Thus, the logical conclusion is that communism was embraced by the majority and only a minority was against it. The use of violence you spoke of was simply a futile attempt to hold on to power. You are free to fight for your beliefs, but it does not mean you will win.

Then you implied that I am a communist, when you have no idea what my political beliefs are.

Pathetic~

support or not, communism is now dead.
support or not, communism is evil and stupid.
support or not, today's China is far better off because it dump that s_h_i_t 33 years ago.

 

[HongWu]

friendship with the chinese and everyuthing aside, but man oh man, what the F was this??,,,,US does not consider F-22 a failed project and the reported capabilities if true are really scaring.

That is the truth.

F-22 is a maintenance nightmare that even the USAF have second thoughts about. It might be worth it if it was the only stealth fighter in the world. Oops, now China's caught up too.

PLAAF are doing mock dogfights with USAF in the Yellow Sea, JASDF around Diaoyutai, IAF in Southern Tibet and backward Vietnamese around Paracels. All of these countries are panicking at J-10 and J-11's dominance. But China doesn't care, it will have J-20 soon and become even more dominant.

That's why USAF retreated when PLAAF ambushed it over the Taiwan Straits. That's why all these countries can only complain about PLAAF "assertiveness."

 

[DkBose]

That is the truth.

F-22 is a maintenance nightmare that even the USAF have second thoughts about. It might be worth it if it was the only stealth fighter in the world. Oops, now China's caught up too.

PLAAF are doing mock dogfights with USAF in the Yellow Sea, JASDF around Diaoyutai, IAF in Southern Tibet and backward Vietnamese around Paracels. All of these countries are panicking at J-10 and J-11's dominance. But China doesn't care, it will have J-20 soon and become even more dominant.

That's why USAF retreated when PLAAF ambushed it over the Taiwan Straits. That's why all these countries can only complain about PLAAF "assertiveness."

lol lol lol lol zzzzz

very cute post

 

[peaceful]

lol lol lol lol zzzzz

very cute post

he has a point: india is buy crappy T-50, China is built a far better J-20.

check all those military expert analysis, how many of them would give T-50 a higher score? probably only those drunk ones.

 

[Chogy]

China can shoot down US aircraft whenever it wants to. PLAAF completely dominates the air. In 2010 USAF tried to challenge China in the Yellow Sea but their F-22s were locked on by PLAAF fighters. One F/A-18 was damaged by electronic warfare attack and had a very hard landing on the aircraft carrier. Apparently the B-2 that crashed on Guam a couple of years back was also damaged by Chinese electronic warfare attack.

In a shooting war, USAF would be knocked out very swiftly. USAF already considers F-22 a failed project. Now F-35 is going to be cut back too. J-10's and J-20's will be ruling the air for decades to come.

Mr Hong Wu, I have never in my life of internet experience encountered someone who has so totally swallowed propaganda as you have demonstarted in this thread.

I take it back - the North Korean people swallow more.

One F/A-18 was damaged by electronic warfare attack and had a very hard landing on the aircraft carrier.

Please explain, using physics, how electronic warfare signals can cause the mechanical failure of an F/A-18 hydraulics system.

Oh man, thanks for the laugh. I thought Americans were jingoistic.

 

[HongWu]

Does anybody in this forum have the heart for cold war part deux?

Actually, I was hoping for WW3!

Please explain, using physics, how electronic warfare signals can cause the mechanical failure of an F/A-18 hydraulics system.

Oh man, thanks for the laugh. I thought Americans were jingoistic.

PLAAF used electronic warfare signals to blind some of the F/A-18's sensors, causing it to be unstable and difficult to land on a carrier. The B-2 crash in 2009 was also done by PLAAF.

China is already challenging USAF and top allies like JSADF in the airspace over Asia! We are naturally the dominant superpower in Asia and we will grab this throne -- nobody has the military power to stop us!

 

[Awesome]

There is planet Earth, and then there's the United States of America. The US has to start behaving like its from the same planet. Mike Mullen's belligerence is appalling.

 

[Stormweaver]

China can shoot down US aircraft whenever it wants to. PLAAF completely dominates the air. In 2010 USAF tried to challenge China in the Yellow Sea but their F-22s were locked on by PLAAF fighters. One F/A-18 was damaged by electronic warfare attack and had a very hard landing on the aircraft carrier. Apparently the B-2 that crashed on Guam a couple of years back was also damaged by Chinese electronic warfare attack.

In a shooting war, USAF would be knocked out very swiftly. USAF already considers F-22 a failed project. Now F-35 is going to be cut back too. J-10's and J-20's will be ruling the air for decades to come.

An electronic warfare attack? F-22 overpowered by J-10s?

The question is... Do you grow your own marijuana? And may I have some?

 

[gambit]

An electronic warfare attack? F-22 overpowered by J-10s?

The question is... Do you grow your own marijuana? And may I have some?

I think he is just a twelve year old who recently discovered the Internet.

 

[NiceGuy]

35 years after the war, vietnam is still a shithole nation because the current communist regime of vietnam systematically failed generations of vietnamese. you tell me which one is worse, south vietnam regime or the current regime.

dude, cold war is over, communism didn't work. time to stop your stupid logic, time to have a armed uprising against your communist regime in hanoi. time to clean your dump site and start constructing your nation.

you can't do this under your communist regime. they are failing you, your children and your future.

"motherland"? what a lovely joke. your regime couldn't care less for its people and nation. they don't call it "motherland", they call it their pig farms.

Hehe, so what can CHina do with poor VN ??are you in HongKong ?if you're in Hong Kong, your territory is just too small, you can not have True independence, you can not understand how to develope a country like VN.you're just simply bergar living under China protect

 

[mhb56]

Have you confronted your hierarchical military apparatus before? If so, how was it like?