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.....becuase this debate can go on and on ... only time will tell ....
Time has already told and it will continue to tell.....The difference is some can see what time has told, some will eventually see what time was trying to tell and some will never see or learn.

musharaf was better , on every basis ,just try to think positive , & plz change the avtar , cause justice party had won , & has been installed , my dear sir!:enjoy:
Hello Batman, saw you in action after quite sometime.

Musharraf was better in no respect, he was a failed General and a failed politician, that is all he was and will always remain so. Just by repeating the same thing like a parrot will prove nothing. I am positive while at the same time cautious. Justice Choudhury is reinstated; Judiciary is still not free from the administration.
 
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Qaasrk,
The Chak plot he got is i am sure he got with a lot of concessions as he was the Army Chief and we all know how Generals get land with very cheap rate but now he is earning a lot of money.On his first lecture he was paid 100k$+ so i am damn sure he can afford to buy a flat or small house in UK.
Yes the plot he might have got on very cheap rate but where did he get the money to do construction of that magnitude?

Give me the link where it is mentioned that Musharraf was paid $100,000 or so per lecture. Also provide me with information if he was paid this much, how much income tax he paid on this to the GoP.

Besides, after writing a single book, no one becomes a billionaire. I have not even seen the authors of the best selling novels becoming billionaire after the publication of several of their novels.
 
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Issue No 47, June 22-28, 2003
By Maryam Hussain

ISLAMABAD: General Pervez Musharraf paid no wealth tax for five years on his extensive lands and properties, although he publicly announced in November 1999 that he had done so, a Pakistan Government Income Tax Department document obtained by SA Tribune reveals.

And finally when he did pay wealth tax in 1999-2000 on his assets worth much more than Rs 30-40 million in the market (or over half a million US dollars), he coughed up only Rs 710 or $12.

The copy of the document has signatures of concerned officials which have been erased by SA Tribune to protect them from reprisals.

Only recently when Musharraf sold his 2 squares of land in Bahawalpur, he received millions. This amount should be reflected in his wealth declarations now but conveniently in the last Budget, wealth tax has been abolished.

The total Income Tax deducted at the source in five years from 1994-1999 was Rs 115,524 (US$ 1,992) on a total declared income of Rs 1.24 million ($ 21,430).

The document shows General Pervez Musharraf declared an income of Rs 146,629 in 1994-95 but the CBR assessed it as Rs 151,189 and taxed him Rs 16,261, which was deducted from his salary as is a routine.

In 1995-96 his declared and assessed income was the same Rs 197,358 and the assessed/ paid tax was Rs 24,472.

Similarly in the next two years (96-97 and 97-98) his declared/assessed income remained unchanged at Rs 205, 967 and Rs 213,417. He paid Rs 24, 684 and Rs 31,927 as Income tax in these two years.

Suddenly in the next year when he became Chief of the Army Staff something different happened to his tax assessment. He declared an income of Rs 222,046 but it was assessed at Rs 226,846. Surprisingly the tax he paid was only Rs 18,180 or Rs 13,747 less than the previous year.

The document shows that he declared an income of Rs 252,670 for the next full year of his tenure as Army Chief but it was not assessed till then. This story of his Income Tax may be explained or justified in some ways but the Wealth Tax story is the real one. It is here that the "real picture" of General Pervez Musharraf emerges as an honest and upright man.

Before his declarations of how much "wealth" he had are analyzed, the official declaration of his assets, made shortly after he took over in the October 1999 coup, has to be kept in view. The official news agency Associated Press of Pakistan (APP) released this report (In Box) on November 2, 1999:

According to the given list, except the parent's house in Islamabad and daughter's house in Karachi all other property belongs to General Musharraf himself.

This includes 2000 square yard of land in Defence Society Karachi, over 1200 sq. yards plot in Morgah Rawalpindi, 900 sq. yards plot in Peshawar, 2 squares in Bahawalpur (sold now) , 600 sq. yds in Eastridge and 1200 sq yards in Gwadur. The document of his wealth tax return shows the wealth (which includes the lands) declared by General Musharraf for the year 1998-99 (which ends June 30, 1999) was valued at less than one million rupees, or Rs 947,000 to be exact.

Thus according to this document, Musharraf's Karachi Rawalpindi, Lahore, Peshawar, Bahawalpur and Gwadur lands all put together are worth less than Rs 1 million or US Dollars 17,241 ($1=Rs58).

But according to any person with an ordinary knowledge and intelligence, his Karachi plot is worth over Rs 20 million, his Rawalpindi piece of land values at least Rs 5 million, his Peshawar plot could easily fetch Rs 2-3 million. The market value of all other lands put together, is well over Rs 30 million. Probably much more as these estimates are very conservative.

His house in Rawalpindi would be worth another at least Rs 10 million if not more. Thus his real wealth, other than cash or securities or overseas accounts is more than Rs 40 million, but he has declared it to be less than Rs 1 million.

On top of this huge under-declaration General Musharraf declared in November 1999 that he had paid all his taxes, including Wealth tax till June 30, 1999.

The document reveals that for the year 1998-99 (which ends June 30, 1999) no Wealth Tax was paid as according to his declaration the wealth was "BTL" or Below Tax Limits.

Musharraf declared his wealth to be Rs 777,000 in 1994-95 and 1995-96, Rs 597,000 in 1996-97, Rs 975,000 in 1997-98, Rs 947,000 in 1998-99 and Rs 1,129,000 in 1999-2000. In that year he paid a wealth tax of Rs 710 or US $ 12.24. The document shows the CBR had not assessed the wealth by then.

The following story was run by APP on Nov 2, 1999:

Musharraf Declares All Property Owned by Family

RAWALPINDI, Nov 2 (APP): Chief Executive General Pervez Musharraf has declared all property owned by his whole family. According to an ISPR press release, following statement has been issued by General Pervez Musharraf with regard to his family property:

1."I would like to declare all property owned by my whole family. My family consists of my parents, wife, my son and daughter. Both my son and daughter are married. The property owned by all of us is as under:

a. Property for which installments are being paid:

(1) Under construction House in Army Housing Scheme Pt-II, Karachi.
(2) 2000 Sq. Yards in DHA, Karachi.
(3) 2xKanals in Morgah Housing Scheme, Rawalpindi.
(4) 1 and half Kanal in AWT (Army Welfare Trust) Housing Scheme, Peshawar.
(5) 8xMarlas in LCCHS, Lahore.
(6) 2xSquare agriculture land at Bahawalpur.

b. Parents' house in F-7/3, Islamabad.
c. My daughter's house in DHA (Defence), Karachi.
d. 1xKanal plot in Eastridge Scheme (09).
e. 2xKanals in Sangar Housing Scheme, Gwadar.

2. I have paid all taxes (income, wealth and agriculture) till the financial year ending 30th June, 1999."


Source: Gen. Musharraf paid only $12 as Wealth Tax in Six Years

Forget about what he earned after he became the President (book or lectures whatever), how on earth he made all that property during his Military service? How much Army pays you? Whatever it pays you, can you make so much property just on the salary? I am not posting this stuff in an attempt to change your mind, but only inviting you to think for God's sake.

Note that the author of this report was never challenged in the court for slander.
 
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one thing is very clear musharaaf was the least evil.
comparing him to zardari and mian sahab they have also not given any thing to this country
 
one thing is very clear musharaaf was the least evil.
comparing him to zardari and mian sahab they have also not given any thing to this country
Come up with arguments to prove your point, otherwise this is only your opinion. There has to be some basis of comparison, what is that?
 
Come up with arguments to prove your point, otherwise this is only your opinion. There has to be some basis of comparison, what is that?


one thing is very clear zardari is on top of corruption or evilness.You can analyze benazir & nawaz Shareef era with musharraf era.how economy boosted.just compare Economy in benzeer,nawaz,Musharaf and zardari's Time.This will be very clear that musharraf was lesser evil.



Pak Economy in 1999 was: $ 75 billion
Pak Economy in 2007 is: $ 160 billion
Pak Economy in 2008 is: $ 170 billion



GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 1999: $ 270 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2007: $ 475.5 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2008: $ 504.3 billion



GDP per Capita Income in 1999: $ 450
GDP per Capita Income in 2007: $ 926

GDP per Capita Income in 2008: $1085



Pak revenue collection 1999: Rs. 305 billion
Pak revenue collection 2007: Rs. 708 billion

Pak revenue collection 2008: Rs. 990 billion

Pak Foreign reserves in 1999: $ 1.96 billion
Pak Foreign reserves in 2007: $ 16.4 billion

Pak Foreign reserves in 2008: $ 8.89 billion



Pak Exports in 1999: $ 8 billion
Pak Exports in 2007: $ 18.5 billion

Pak Exports in 2008: $ 19.22 billion



Textile Exports in 1999: $ 5.5 billion
Textile Exports in 2007: $ 11.2 billion



KHI stock exchange 1999: $ 5 billion at 700 points
KHI stock exchange 2007: $ 75 billion at 14,000 points
KHI stock exchange 2008: $ 46 billion at 9,300 points

KHI stock exchange 2009: $ 20 billion at 4,972 points



Foreign Investment in 1999: $ 301 million
Foreign Investment in 2007: $ 8.4 billion

Foreign Investment in 2008: $ 5.19 billion



Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) in 1999: 1.5%

Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) in 2005: 19.9%

Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) in 2007: 8.6%

Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) in 2008: 4.8%



Debt servicing 1999: 65% of GDP
Debt servicing 2007: 28% of GDP

Debt servicing 2008: 27% of GDP



Poverty level in 1999: 34%
Poverty level in 2007: 24%



Literacy rate in 1999: 45%
Literacy rate in 2007: 53%



Pak Development programs 1999: Rs. 80 billion
Pak Development programs 2007: Rs. 520 billion
Pak Development programs 2008: Rs. 549.7 billion





Economic Indicators- Federal Bureau of Statistics
 
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Government found illegally subsidising Musharraf, Shaukat’s electricity bills

Saturday, May 23, 2009
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and former prime minister Shaukat Aziz, who have built up multi-million rupee palaces in the name of farmhouses in Chak Shahzad bordering Islamabad, are getting subsidy on their electricity bills and are charged at the cheapest agricultural rates, copies of their bills obtained by The News have revealed.

A selected few amongst the other highly influential and well-connected residents of Chak Shahzad are also paying the cheapest rates with the connivance of the Islamabad Electric Supply Company (Iesco).

While the whole world knows that Musharraf has constructed a modern house on the farm, obtained for breeding poultry and vegetables, the Iesco is still allowing him to enjoy the cheapest of power tariff D-2(1), which is meant for agriculture tube-wells and lift irrigation pumps and is even subsidised by the government from the taxpayers’ money.

Because of Iesco’s generosity, Musharraf was charged, at least, Rs 50,000 less than the ordinary consumer for April 2009. He has been enjoying similar tariff concession for the last few years which, according to the Iesco sources, is illegal and nothing but cheating and fraud.

Sources in the Iesco reveal Musharraf is one of those over a dozen influentials who are misusing the D-2(1) tariff in their respective farmhouses, which are either used for residential purposes or for industrial and commercial purposes.

Such influentials, besides Pervez Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz who fled from the country within weeks after completing his tenure, includes former PML-N senator Saifur Rehman and top parliamentarians and retired defence officers.

The area SDO, Mian Jamil, when approached confirmed to The News that those using the farmhouses for residential purposes were charged at A-1(a) tariff, which is meant for domestic consumers.

He said such residences if using D-2(1) tariff, were involved in illegality and their power connections should be disconnected.Although, an Iesco source insists that this cheating is going on with the connivance of the authority officials, and SDO Jamil, while admitting that he knows that the agriculture tariffs are being used by Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, said action would be taken against the violators once The News highlighted the issue.

Iesco spokesman Chaman Khan was not immediately available but a senior Iesco officer Executive Engineer Rashid, while talking to The News, said residential meters were installed at the residences of Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz.

When told that according to the electricity bill of these two farmhouses (see attached copies) the tariff type is given as D-2(1) which is for agricultural use, he said it was not in his knowledge. When asked whether there was any policy of Iesco to give concession to influential or government persons, Rashid said there was no such policy and he would investigate the issue tomorrow.

In the case of Saifur Rehman, whose Chak Shahzad farmhouse is also being used as Redco’s site office, SDO Jamil said his connection was changed a few months back and given industrial tariff. The Admin officer at Rehman’s site office when contacted did not offer any comment.

However, the electricity bill of Saifur Rehman’s place shows that the D-2(1) tariff is still intact at his residence though it was showing not to have consumed even one unit of electricity since January this year. An Iesco source said at least 24 air conditioner units are fixed in the Redco farmhouse buildings.

The SDO also confirmed that a former ISI chief, who is also residing in the same locality, was provided free-of-cost transformer and poles, etc., following orders of the then-Iesco chief Brigadier Shahbaz.

Normally every farmhouse is supposed to pay for Rs 700,000 to Rs 1,000,000 for transformer, which is mandatory for each connection. However, this retired general is using normal domestic connection.

Iesco sources say Gen (retd) Musharraf’s farmhouse was also provided a free-of-cost transformer and other equipment in 2006, which was of higher cost than the one offered to the former ISI director-general. These sources said some senators, including a former Senate chairman, a retired admiral, and a former brigadier, a business group, etc., are also using the D-2(1) connections.

Gen (retd) Musharraf’s electricity bill for the month of April for which the reading was done on May 2 shows that despite consuming 5,600 units, his current bill was calculated at Rs 25,841 at the flat rate of Rs 4 per unit.

On this amount, which includes a general sales tax of Rs 2,763, Musharraf was given tariff subsidy of Rs 8,010, which reduced the bill to Rs 17,831. This is only possible because of the special connection given to the former general. In case of a normal domestic connection, Musharraf would have been charged a much higher rate according to the tariff for domestic consumers.

If an ordinary domestic consumer consumes 5,600 units per month, he would be charged at the following rates: Up to 100 units @ Rs3.29 unit; from 101-200 units @ Rs4.96 per unit; from 201-400 units @ Rs8.03 per unit and above 700 units @ Rs10 per unit. The total would thus be Rs 73,498. It shows Musharraf had saved more than Rs 50,000 in just one month because of this illegal connection and fraudulent use of concessional tariff.

Source: Documents reveal power scandal in Chak Shahzad palaces
 
Government found illegally subsidising Musharraf, Shaukat’s electricity bills

Saturday, May 23, 2009
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and former prime minister Shaukat Aziz, who have built up multi-million rupee palaces in the name of farmhouses in Chak Shahzad bordering Islamabad, are getting subsidy on their electricity bills and are charged at the cheapest agricultural rates, copies of their bills obtained by The News have revealed.

A selected few amongst the other highly influential and well-connected residents of Chak Shahzad are also paying the cheapest rates with the connivance of the Islamabad Electric Supply Company (Iesco).

While the whole world knows that Musharraf has constructed a modern house on the farm, obtained for breeding poultry and vegetables, the Iesco is still allowing him to enjoy the cheapest of power tariff D-2(1), which is meant for agriculture tube-wells and lift irrigation pumps and is even subsidised by the government from the taxpayers’ money.

Because of Iesco’s generosity, Musharraf was charged, at least, Rs 50,000 less than the ordinary consumer for April 2009. He has been enjoying similar tariff concession for the last few years which, according to the Iesco sources, is illegal and nothing but cheating and fraud.

Sources in the Iesco reveal Musharraf is one of those over a dozen influentials who are misusing the D-2(1) tariff in their respective farmhouses, which are either used for residential purposes or for industrial and commercial purposes.

Such influentials, besides Pervez Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz who fled from the country within weeks after completing his tenure, includes former PML-N senator Saifur Rehman and top parliamentarians and retired defence officers.

The area SDO, Mian Jamil, when approached confirmed to The News that those using the farmhouses for residential purposes were charged at A-1(a) tariff, which is meant for domestic consumers.

He said such residences if using D-2(1) tariff, were involved in illegality and their power connections should be disconnected.Although, an Iesco source insists that this cheating is going on with the connivance of the authority officials, and SDO Jamil, while admitting that he knows that the agriculture tariffs are being used by Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, said action would be taken against the violators once The News highlighted the issue.

Iesco spokesman Chaman Khan was not immediately available but a senior Iesco officer Executive Engineer Rashid, while talking to The News, said residential meters were installed at the residences of Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz.

When told that according to the electricity bill of these two farmhouses (see attached copies) the tariff type is given as D-2(1) which is for agricultural use, he said it was not in his knowledge. When asked whether there was any policy of Iesco to give concession to influential or government persons, Rashid said there was no such policy and he would investigate the issue tomorrow.

In the case of Saifur Rehman, whose Chak Shahzad farmhouse is also being used as Redco’s site office, SDO Jamil said his connection was changed a few months back and given industrial tariff. The Admin officer at Rehman’s site office when contacted did not offer any comment.

However, the electricity bill of Saifur Rehman’s place shows that the D-2(1) tariff is still intact at his residence though it was showing not to have consumed even one unit of electricity since January this year. An Iesco source said at least 24 air conditioner units are fixed in the Redco farmhouse buildings.

The SDO also confirmed that a former ISI chief, who is also residing in the same locality, was provided free-of-cost transformer and poles, etc., following orders of the then-Iesco chief Brigadier Shahbaz.

Normally every farmhouse is supposed to pay for Rs 700,000 to Rs 1,000,000 for transformer, which is mandatory for each connection. However, this retired general is using normal domestic connection.

Iesco sources say Gen (retd) Musharraf’s farmhouse was also provided a free-of-cost transformer and other equipment in 2006, which was of higher cost than the one offered to the former ISI director-general. These sources said some senators, including a former Senate chairman, a retired admiral, and a former brigadier, a business group, etc., are also using the D-2(1) connections.

Gen (retd) Musharraf’s electricity bill for the month of April for which the reading was done on May 2 shows that despite consuming 5,600 units, his current bill was calculated at Rs 25,841 at the flat rate of Rs 4 per unit.

On this amount, which includes a general sales tax of Rs 2,763, Musharraf was given tariff subsidy of Rs 8,010, which reduced the bill to Rs 17,831. This is only possible because of the special connection given to the former general. In case of a normal domestic connection, Musharraf would have been charged a much higher rate according to the tariff for domestic consumers.

If an ordinary domestic consumer consumes 5,600 units per month, he would be charged at the following rates: Up to 100 units @ Rs3.29 unit; from 101-200 units @ Rs4.96 per unit; from 201-400 units @ Rs8.03 per unit and above 700 units @ Rs10 per unit. The total would thus be Rs 73,498. It shows Musharraf had saved more than Rs 50,000 in just one month because of this illegal connection and fraudulent use of concessional tariff.

Source: Documents reveal power scandal in Chak Shahzad palaces

Guyz like you are never happy with anyone. Now the country is in the hand of your favorite leaders Asif Zardari and Nawaz Shareef. very soon they will snactch your underwear too then you will realizez who was corrupt.............:smokin:
 
I have profound respect for Gen. Musharraf. This person fought 2 wars for this country and yet people question his loyalty.

No one in his right mind would deny the development during his tenure. From FDIs to record employment. Heck, even PML-N acknowledges it.

Further more, every decision that he made was within the national interests of the country.
 
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Guyz like you are never happy with anyone. Now the country is in the hand of your favorite leaders Asif Zardari and Nawaz Shareef. very soon they will snactch your underwear too then you will realizez who was corrupt.............:smokin:

I don't know what country you are talking about that Nawaz Sharif is in power of unless you are plain daft or belong from another country Musharraf is just as corrupt as others no true army general would do as Musharraf did and drag his forces name through the mud.
 
Further more, every decision that he made was within the national interests of the country.

I wouldn't agree with that selling away our national assets was no wise move nor was the idea to go out their and say that we fully support the WoT without going through the proper systems the removal of Cheif Justice was no national interest move, the removal of democracy however fragile was also destruction of Pakistan, Do you remember the points raised by general Musharraf on his first speech.

No. 1- rebuild national confidence and morale;

And then Kill all the Balochis and people from Wana

"No. 2 - strengthen federation, remove inter-provincial disharmony and restore national cohesion;

This is the same person that had 3 primeministers and an interim primeminster all doing his bidding he bought constitutional change to hold powers.

"No. 3 - revive [the] economy and restore investors' confidence;

Something he did to start with and then once the bubble burst we can see where we stand.

"No. 4 - ensure law and order and dispense speedy justice

I can tell you today that this is the one point that he ripped to shreds the second he read it out.

"No. 5 - depoliticise state institutions;

He filled every institution with PML(Q) folk how wise.

"No. 6 - devolution of power to the grassroots level; and lastly,

A point he stopped following three years onto power because under Musharraf grassroots level has suffered the most.

"No. 7 - ensure swift ... accountability. ...

If swift accountability is the NRO then only god can help us.

BBC News | Monitoring | Excerpts from General Musharraf's address


I don't even plan to start on his other policies the Musharraf that came to power was a man that even some of the PML(N) folk were even expecting to better the country but as soona s he realised his power he flexed it and bent it as much as he could.

Power problems have grown our debt has grown our trouble has increased since his departure, our economy began to crumble it was built up on loans after all our property market went too high and that bubble has burst too, I still can't see why he is any better or worse that anyother politician.
 
I have profound respect for Gen. Musharraf. This person fought 2 wars for this country and yet people question his loyalty.

No one in his right mind would deny the development during his tenure. From FDIs to record employment. Heck, even PML-N acknowledges it.

Further more, every decision that he made was within the national interests of the country.

Even Gen Zia and Yahya Khan fought for us, isnt it? and majority of pakistanis hate them..wonder why?

Yess, He was so busy in developing the country that he forgot to build electricity units :rofl::rofl:..whats the use of industries when we dont have electricty to run them??
 
Muharraf annoyed the balochis to a point where seperation started looking like the way forward to alot of balochis....give more power to MQM in karachi.....

if he wanted to have "PEACE" with INDIA then why did he do KARGIL....i mean if in 1999 had we befriended india when an EXTREMIST BJP was in power we could have alteast had one less worry......

however, MR.MUSHARRAF after being in power for 4 or 5 years decided that time to be friends with India....he is a hypocrit!!
 
I don't know what country you are talking about that Nawaz Sharif is in power of unless you are plain daft or belong from another country Musharraf is just as corrupt as others no true army general would do as Musharraf did and drag his forces name through the mud.

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Gen. Musharraf answering questions like whether will he return back to pakistan?


 
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