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Pakistan Army's Self Propelled Artillery Inventory

M110 203 mm - 60
M109A2 155mm - 250
M109A4 155 mm - 300
M109A5 155mm - 115
Norinco SH1 155 mm - 90+

This brings total to 815 .. According to defence.pk , Pak Army has around 800 SP artillery pieces which verifies my claim

Pakistan Army's Towed howitzer Inventory

M115 howitzer 203 mm - 28
MKEK Panter 155 mm - 57 ( Locally produced at HIT Heavy Mechanical Complex)
M198 howitzer 155 mm - 148
M114 155 mm - 144
M59 155 mm - 30

Additionally Pakistan has several other towed howitzers like Type 60, Type 54 , Type 59I, M101,M56 etc having caliber between 85 mm to 130 mm...

According to defence.pk, Pak army has around 1700 towed howitzers while other sources put the number around 3200..
Pakistan Army should get new Chinese Self Propelled Artillery
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and also needs to replace some of its towed Artillery guns with new ones and get all the artillery with TOT

Why just 57? Panter is a very advanced towed artillery piece, it can replace many older systems in Pakistani Army.
Sir these were provided by Turkey but we are producing these guns in Pakistan now because we got TOT from Turkey Sir so How many we have produced on our own that number is not known Sir
 
no future planning please....:sick:

India already made deal to buy these 777's so it will be soon in the army. Don't worry we won't mention this and other developments in artillery. Enjoy your upper hand in artillery

it's present numbers being produced and under service till that source...
Pakistan will have it around 200+ in future and PA will replace older with Panther and all 155mm towed artillery needs of PA will be fullfilled with this system...coz we are locally producing it...:coffee:
Future planing without any future
 
India already made deal to buy these 777's so it will be soon in the army. Don't worry we won't mention this and other developments in artillery. Enjoy your upper hand in artillery


Future planing without any future

well this thread is about present numbers kiddo!!
soo here u can't count em....
and here i was not planning about future i replied the question about Panther...:lol:
well i am not enjoying any upper hand..
i actually hate such comparisons bro!
 
India already made deal to buy these 777's so it will be soon in the army. Don't worry we won't mention this and other developments in artillery. Enjoy your upper hand in artillery
Future planing without any future



By Indian standards soon could be 10 years if not cancelled.

Future planning without planning.
 
Well I dont think you have read this:

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces

New Delhi: The slow growth of the Indian economy in recent years has had a cascading effect on the country's military. According to government estimates, the defence budget for the current year, 2012-2013, has been cut by a whopping Rs. 14,000 crore and acquisitions of new weapon systems have been either put on hold or delayed. Defence ministry officials have told NDTV that the budget cut is the biggest in several years.

Talking to reporters at the recently concluded Aero India show in Bengaluru, Union Defence Minister AK Antony said, "India is not an island. The world economy is going through a tough time, we will have to cut down."

Mr Antony said that the government is drastically cutting down on expenditure across the board and "budget cuts fall on our department too." He said that there will be no cuts in "priority areas" and the "operational preparedness" of the military will not be affected.

Senior officials have told NDTV that out of the overall estimated cut, Rs. 10,000 crore comes from the capital budget, which means the defence ministry would have much less to spend on buying new systems to upgrade old and aging weapons. The rest, Rs. 4,000 crore, is expected to be slashed from the revenue budget, which is used for paying salaries and meeting other running costs of the armed forces.

The armed forces had sought an outlay of Rs. 2,39,123 crore this fiscal, which amounts to 2.35 per cent of the projected GDP for 2012-13. It was, however, given a little over Rs.1,93,000 crore, from which the Rs. 14,000 crore cuts have been made. About Rs. 67,000 crore of the allocation was for capital expenditure; the revenue budget was pegged at a little over Rs. 1,13,000 crore.

As a result of the cuts, almost all critical purchases of new weapons systems have been affected. India's single biggest defence deal ever, a contract with France for around 200 new-generation fighter jets - pegged at between $15-17 billion - has been deferred to the next financial year. Although negotiations with France are complete, India wants to stagger the acquisition because of the lack of funds.

Similarly, the purchase of Ultra-Light Howitzers from the US for deployment in the mountainous border areas to counter China has been delayed.

Sources have told NDTV that the Indian Navy's plans to rapidly replace its aging fleet of conventional submarines with six new submarines have been affected. Each new submarine is estimated to cost anything between Rs. 7000-8000 crore.

The proposal to equip every infantry battalion of the Indian Army deployed in the plains with Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMS) has also taken a hit. The Navy's proposal to acquire multi-role helicopters to replace the old Sea King helicopter fleet has been put in cold storage.

Last week, Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram, when asked about the cuts in the defence budget, said, "You must have the money to provide the money." He also said that this year's cut could be made good next year only if India recorded faster growth translating into more tax collections.

Modernisation of the Indian military was put on hold during the 1990s and the 2000s as India grappled with its new economic realities, and needs, post liberalisation. Most of the equipment that the armed forces currently use was developed either in the 1970s or 1980s. It was only in the latter part of the last decade that the focus shifted back on rapidly modernising the military so that it is capable of addressing the altered strategic realities in India's neighbourhood.

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces | NDTV.com
 
Pakistan Army's Self Propelled Artillery Inventory

M110 203 mm - 60
M109A2 155mm - 250
M109A4 155 mm - 300
M109A5 155mm - 115
Norinco SH1 155 mm - 90+

This brings total to 815 .. According to defence.pk , Pak Army has around 800 SP artillery pieces which verifies my claim

Pakistan Army's Towed howitzer Inventory

M115 howitzer 203 mm - 28
MKEK Panter 155 mm - 57 ( Locally produced at HIT Heavy Mechanical Complex)
M198 howitzer 155 mm - 148
M114 155 mm - 144
M59 155 mm - 30

Additionally Pakistan has several other towed howitzers like Type 60, Type 54 , Type 59I, M101,M56 etc having caliber between 85 mm to 130 mm...

According to defence.pk, Pak army has around 1700 towed howitzers while other sources put the number around 3200..

You forgot the MLRS regiments?
 
Well I dont think you have read this:

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces

New Delhi: The slow growth of the Indian economy in recent years has had a cascading effect on the country's military. According to government estimates, the defence budget for the current year, 2012-2013, has been cut by a whopping Rs. 14,000 crore and acquisitions of new weapon systems have been either put on hold or delayed. Defence ministry officials have told NDTV that the budget cut is the biggest in several years.

Talking to reporters at the recently concluded Aero India show in Bengaluru, Union Defence Minister AK Antony said, "India is not an island. The world economy is going through a tough time, we will have to cut down."

Mr Antony said that the government is drastically cutting down on expenditure across the board and "budget cuts fall on our department too." He said that there will be no cuts in "priority areas" and the "operational preparedness" of the military will not be affected.

Senior officials have told NDTV that out of the overall estimated cut, Rs. 10,000 crore comes from the capital budget, which means the defence ministry would have much less to spend on buying new systems to upgrade old and aging weapons. The rest, Rs. 4,000 crore, is expected to be slashed from the revenue budget, which is used for paying salaries and meeting other running costs of the armed forces.

The armed forces had sought an outlay of Rs. 2,39,123 crore this fiscal, which amounts to 2.35 per cent of the projected GDP for 2012-13. It was, however, given a little over Rs.1,93,000 crore, from which the Rs. 14,000 crore cuts have been made. About Rs. 67,000 crore of the allocation was for capital expenditure; the revenue budget was pegged at a little over Rs. 1,13,000 crore.

As a result of the cuts, almost all critical purchases of new weapons systems have been affected. India's single biggest defence deal ever, a contract with France for around 200 new-generation fighter jets - pegged at between $15-17 billion - has been deferred to the next financial year. Although negotiations with France are complete, India wants to stagger the acquisition because of the lack of funds.

Similarly, the purchase of Ultra-Light Howitzers from the US for deployment in the mountainous border areas to counter China has been delayed.

Sources have told NDTV that the Indian Navy's plans to rapidly replace its aging fleet of conventional submarines with six new submarines have been affected. Each new submarine is estimated to cost anything between Rs. 7000-8000 crore.

The proposal to equip every infantry battalion of the Indian Army deployed in the plains with Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMS) has also taken a hit. The Navy's proposal to acquire multi-role helicopters to replace the old Sea King helicopter fleet has been put in cold storage.

Last week, Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram, when asked about the cuts in the defence budget, said, "You must have the money to provide the money." He also said that this year's cut could be made good next year only if India recorded faster growth translating into more tax collections.

Modernisation of the Indian military was put on hold during the 1990s and the 2000s as India grappled with its new economic realities, and needs, post liberalisation. Most of the equipment that the armed forces currently use was developed either in the 1970s or 1980s. It was only in the latter part of the last decade that the focus shifted back on rapidly modernising the military so that it is capable of addressing the altered strategic realities in India's neighbourhood.

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces | NDTV.com

Around 1.3 billion USD of approx. 49 billions USD (according to SIPRI), thats not a big deal. Further more the artillery upgrade is a priority area of the Indian Army, hence it will not be affected.
 
He just wanted to know about towed, tracked & wheeled ones.. he didn't ask of MLRS......

Pakistan Army MLRS Inventory:

A100E MLRS 300 mm - 36+

KRL 122 (122 mm) - 40

Azar MLRS (122 mm) - 52

WS-1B MLRS 400 mm - N/A (In service & being acquired from China)
 
He just wanted to know about towed, tracked & wheeled ones.. he didn't ask of MLRS......

Pakistan Army MLRS Inventory:

A100E MLRS 300 mm - 36+

KRL 122 (122 mm) - 40

Azar MLRS (122 mm) - 52

WS-1B MLRS 400 mm - N/A (In service & being acquired from China)

Are you sure Pakistan is getting these MRLS and @Aeronaut do you have any information about this ? @ANTIBODY
 
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Well I dont think you have read this:

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces

New Delhi: The slow growth of the Indian economy in recent years has had a cascading effect on the country's military. According to government estimates, the defence budget for the current year, 2012-2013, has been cut by a whopping Rs. 14,000 crore and acquisitions of new weapon systems have been either put on hold or delayed. Defence ministry officials have told NDTV that the budget cut is the biggest in several years.

Talking to reporters at the recently concluded Aero India show in Bengaluru, Union Defence Minister AK Antony said, "India is not an island. The world economy is going through a tough time, we will have to cut down."

Mr Antony said that the government is drastically cutting down on expenditure across the board and "budget cuts fall on our department too." He said that there will be no cuts in "priority areas" and the "operational preparedness" of the military will not be affected.

Senior officials have told NDTV that out of the overall estimated cut, Rs. 10,000 crore comes from the capital budget, which means the defence ministry would have much less to spend on buying new systems to upgrade old and aging weapons. The rest, Rs. 4,000 crore, is expected to be slashed from the revenue budget, which is used for paying salaries and meeting other running costs of the armed forces.

The armed forces had sought an outlay of Rs. 2,39,123 crore this fiscal, which amounts to 2.35 per cent of the projected GDP for 2012-13. It was, however, given a little over Rs.1,93,000 crore, from which the Rs. 14,000 crore cuts have been made. About Rs. 67,000 crore of the allocation was for capital expenditure; the revenue budget was pegged at a little over Rs. 1,13,000 crore.

As a result of the cuts, almost all critical purchases of new weapons systems have been affected. India's single biggest defence deal ever, a contract with France for around 200 new-generation fighter jets - pegged at between $15-17 billion - has been deferred to the next financial year. Although negotiations with France are complete, India wants to stagger the acquisition because of the lack of funds.

Similarly, the purchase of Ultra-Light Howitzers from the US for deployment in the mountainous border areas to counter China has been delayed.

Sources have told NDTV that the Indian Navy's plans to rapidly replace its aging fleet of conventional submarines with six new submarines have been affected. Each new submarine is estimated to cost anything between Rs. 7000-8000 crore.

The proposal to equip every infantry battalion of the Indian Army deployed in the plains with Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMS) has also taken a hit. The Navy's proposal to acquire multi-role helicopters to replace the old Sea King helicopter fleet has been put in cold storage.

Last week, Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram, when asked about the cuts in the defence budget, said, "You must have the money to provide the money." He also said that this year's cut could be made good next year only if India recorded faster growth translating into more tax collections.

Modernisation of the Indian military was put on hold during the 1990s and the 2000s as India grappled with its new economic realities, and needs, post liberalisation. Most of the equipment that the armed forces currently use was developed either in the 1970s or 1980s. It was only in the latter part of the last decade that the focus shifted back on rapidly modernising the military so that it is capable of addressing the altered strategic realities in India's neighbourhood.

How 14,000-crore budget cuts will affect India's armed forces | NDTV.com
And I don't think you know much.

14000 crore is nothing in front of 45billion dollars.
 
Its WS-1B confirmed !!

In 2011, Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank stated:

"Even though the Army has a wide array of short-range ballistic missiles, it wanted a larger caliber long-range MRLS capable of firing smart submunitions,".

This led to the evaluation of the Chinese WeiShi series of MRLS and signing of a contract with China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp. in 2009 to procure the NORINCO-developed 300mm MLRS, he said.

The system differs from previous Chinese 300mm MLRS types that were modeled on the Russian Smerch rocket artillery by having 10 instead of 12 tubes. However, the new arrangement of two five-tube pods allows for faster reloading.

Khan said the Army is "very pleased" with the system, and additional numbers are being procured. Having hitherto only imported the system, Khan said, the Army would like to shift to indigenous production.

WS-1

SCAIC began to develop an unguided large-calibre multiple launch rocket system for the PLA ground forces in the late 1980s. The resulted Weishi-1 (WS-1) 302mm, 4-tube multiple rocket system was first tested in 1990. However, the weapon system failed to impress the PLA, and no production order was received.

WS-1B

SCAIC continued the WS-1 development in the 1990s and introduced the improved WS-1B in the late 1990s. The WS-1B mainly targeted the foreign customers and was actively marketed by Beijing-based China National Precision Machinery Corporation (CPMIEC).
 
Dont take it negativily. I wanted to say that Pakistan is very strong in Forces department. Gen. Musharraf mentioned that he was surprised ( if you dont want the word petrified) to see India concentrating all its artilleries units. But then he goes on to say that they took it to their advantage by focusing on vulnerable borders like Gujrat etc. I wil try to get the exact para also.

I have the book with me and have read it can you please quote the paragraph or mention the page number where he wrote that as I seem to have missed it.
Otherwise dont b.s please.

Dont take it negativily. I wanted to say that Pakistan is very strong in Forces department. Gen. Musharraf mentioned that he was surprised ( if you dont want the word petrified) to see India concentrating all its artilleries units. But then he goes on to say that they took it to their advantage by focusing on vulnerable borders like Gujrat etc. I wil try to get the exact para also.

And what is "b.s" ? Dont defame your rich culture and relgion by using these phrases. I am surprised a person from Pakistan - The land of purity, can relegate his Country and its culture. I guess you need to be little more disciplined and religious internally rather than superficiallly.
 

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