Indian General Elections - 2014
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Karnataka & BJP? Less than a month to go now, everyone will soon get a dose of reality.
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I am very disappointed by the way BJP handled last five years in Karnataka. What a waste. They have gifted Karnatak to Congress.
Utter failure. When there are persons like Ananth Kumar constantly working against state government, this was bound to happen.
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Not just Ananth Kumar. The BJP is an absolutely rotten ship in Karnataka displaying a level of politics never seen before. They were not only extraordinarily corrupt but very brazen about it. They allowed people to be beaten up in pubs while ministers were caught watching & sharing **** inside the assembly. Yeddy's retort (his supporters the chaps were)? What's the big deal? Everyone watches it? Maybe true but inside the assembly? By senior cabinet ministers who were talking about dress code, morals etc...?
They will be very lucky if they are not wiped out.
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Why corruption isnt a poll issue in Karnataka - Indian Express
you are free to disagree though.......as i said in another post.....the current bjp+kjp+bsr(c) has won more urban local body seats than they won from a undivided front five years back.....if bjp is losing today in KA its because yeddy has gone out taking his lingayat vote with him......
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I'm not surprised that it may or may not be a poll issue, it does remain one for me but I'm cynical enough to believe that report ( I have seen other reports suggesting that it is an issue ). Regardless, the BJP faces rout, excuses for defeats will be many and they will simply be irrelevant.
Btw, if corruption is not a issue, it probably works for the central government too. In any case what exactly is your point? That BJP corruption is okay for you?
(The present CM is also a Lingayat and if the BJP loses Bangalore city, they can hardly use the excuses of Lingayat vote etc)
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It does not matter tracking the global crude price - The government is losing money subsidizing the oil in Indian market - if the global price is high, then the government loses more, if not it is loses less - either way government has been losing money wrt to oil. That is why I did not emphasize on the global price tracking much.
So if Congress govt. or whichever govt. is jacking up price it is because it is it could not subsidize the oil anymore after taking a revenue loss for many years. So I do not find fault with what the government is doing.
The appropriate way is govt. step out of the way of the oil price - if the global crude price goes up let the consumers pay more - if not let them pay less. This way the consume will learn to be responsible - for example, if a consumer feels that rs 100 per liter will poke a hole in his pocket, he will look for fuel efficient car and not a SUV.
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yes......it will work for congress too.....if you had seen my posts i have always maintained tat though I want congress to be out....that does not mean they will be out....
and then ofcourse there are people who will measure the bjp strictly on perfomance index but wont when it comes to congress..for them "perfomance" is just an excuse not to vote for bjp...
both may be lingayats just like both ysr and kiran reddy are reddys. but the energy of the man and the clout he has among his followers matters.....im sure you would agree with me when i say yeddy is the tallest lingayat leader in karnataka today.......
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yes......it will work for congress too.....if you had seen my posts i have always maintained tat though I want congress to be out....that does not mean they will be out....
and then ofcourse there are people who will measure the bjp strictly on perfomance index but wont when it comes to congress..for them "perfomance" is just an excuse not to vote for bjp...
If performance is not a criteria why should anyone vote for the BJP? Ideological leaning? Works only for a few.
He probably is but I'm not sure that that has not been entirely overplayed. Shettar is no slouch but in any case, I don't believe that Lingayats will just turn out & vote for Yeddy. We will see soon enough anyways.
Btw, I used Bangalore as a pointer to the irrelevance of caste equations. If BJP does badly in Bangalore, it won't be because of any split etc. Bangalore is pretty much immune to the Lingayat vote bank or any other offshoot of the BJP.
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i said about many people who dont want to be seen supporting congress publicly because of their ineptness and inefficieny..but are idealogically opposed to bjp...so will invoke the "everyone is corrupt" card and will continue voting for congress.....
i agree shettar is not one to conceded defea...but lets be fair...yeddy has that killer instinct that shettar lacks......thats what made yeddy unique......
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A different take would be that if you see the BJP as being just as corrupt, why would you vote for it? In Karnataka, the BJP's corruption is quite simply on a scale never seen, so no real comparison.
Shettar has damaged his reputation with his hankering after the CM's chair but Yeddy is not the unquestioned leader of the lingayats. It worked because he was a victim of Deve Gowda & his son when he was in a coalition as DyCM, it worked when he was CM. However many lingayats are themselves unwilling to be associated with Yeddy because of being directly indicted by the Lokayukta. Not so simple. In any case, all of these claims made by Yeddy & Co. will be laid bare soon enough though I'm sure Yeddy will simply take credit for a very likely disastrous showing by the BJP. Eventually he will be reduced to irrelevance in case of a Congress sweep. His hope is for a hung house but he would still have to work with the INC who will almost certainly be the single largest party. No real joy for him.
Give any one the power of CBI and then see the game what they can do, a party ruling the country for decades has strong roots, pretty obvious. Yedi was removed as the CM by the machinery but he was expelled from BJP. You have got it all wrong, he was forced to step down but he kept on holding owing to the MLA's who supported him. Are you some kind of propaganda machine for Congress? Spewing bullshit?
Dancing to his tuneyou need to see the Congress MLAs supporting Jagan mohan reddy in A.P, why do out think the CBI's iron grip on him? Someone rightly said, Congress Bureau of Investigation.
I have a limited knowledge about what happened Andhra, probably because it got less space in media than the long episode of Karnataka. If the situation there was as bad as Karnataka, than I apologise for 'spewing bullshit' but otherwise, to my knowledge, the episode in Karnataka was far too humiliating for the central BJP leadership which seemed to have no control over its own regional leaders. Why Uma Bhartee, even after showing indiscipline so many times, and proving to be completely useless, was brought back? Why Keshubhai was given a free hand in Gujarat (just an unsuccessful attempt to keep Modi down, who is over and above party leadership!). Congress does it too, but in much more subtle way.
As you have agreed, by hook or by crook, by giving the lollipop of ministry or by the force of CBI, Congress have kept its allies, from south to UP, under control. Mamata was probably only irritant, but is gone now. You might not agree with me but I dislike regional parties affecting central policies. Even if they have to be controlled by most wicked ways, it is still better than the Mayawatis, Mullayams, Mamatas or Karunanidhis slowing the growth of entire nation for their regional vote banks.
Again you are misreading. Let me put it in better words. BJP couldn't do anything to Reddy brothers/Yedi even after so much pressure and the drama lasted so long because the regional leaders were strong. At a time when it should have showed an example, and not waited for the court to take action, it completely messed up, letting a golden opportunity go.
I would not like the dictatorship like Indiras, but would not like powerless leaders like that of BJPs either. For me Congress leadership seems to be right mix of power and freedom.
Let me explain better. In late 90s, early 2000s, they had ABV as a central face. Advani nowhere is close to what ABV was. No one listens to him. One of his closest allies in the party, Uma, was only suspended after pretty much insulting him in a meeting, and she was still kept in the party. Only after multiple provocations was she expelled.
All other leaders of his generation have pretty much lost their value, which is acceptable with age (actually he should retire too!). The second generation, there is no single powerful leader. Sushma, Arun, Modi, every other CM. I would be amazed if they all accept Modi as the PM candidate!
I would not like a party hiding its dirty laundry, but I would prefer it over one hanging it out in open. If you believe one party has cleaner cloths than other, they you are seriously mistaken. Atleast for this govt, I am sure that be it the PM, FM, DM, or HM (previous) have clean cloths. That might be true for BJP govt too, but how do I differentiate?
My mistake, after reading your reply, I read about some of comments/speeches. There is a thread running on it too. I admit, he is pretty stupid. Only consolation I can think for the country is - it could have been worse! And btw, I never said he is my favourite candidate for the post of PM. I am still hoping if they get next term, it be Chidambaram. But he is good for the party leadership, as long as other Congressis bow to him. What I want is a strong central leadership which can keep regional elements in check. Or this elements would try to block down entire nation for their stupid local gains.
I am not asking why not Chidambaram cause I think he would be their most probable candidate. I still have doubts if Rahul would be projected as PM candidate anytime soon. I have not been checking Indian news for quite some time so I might be wrong.
I mentioned it before, I want NDA in and UPA out. But my reason is different, I simply dont want any party ruling over 2 terms. Power should keep on changing hands.
Sigh. Read it again:
I clearly meant that I would prefer a strong leader. BJP or Congress. I want a leader to whom entire party would defer to. Not public, but party. Right now Modi might be a leader of public, but not party. Be it other CMs, Sushma, Arun etc, they would not bow to him. I would be happy if I am proved to be wrong. Reason, Modi might be good in himself, he might be popular, and can form a govt. But unless he gets cooperation from his party/allies, he would not be able to run the govt the way he wants to. It is fine in Gujarat, where he is very powerful compared to others, but he is not so acceptable to leaders of his generation.
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JD(U) opposes Modi as PM, rules out tie-up with Congress - The Times of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Yeddyurappa-promises-Rs-2000-crore-budget-allocation-for-Muslims/articleshow/19529106.cms
@arp2041 @Ayush @samantk
Back to basics and back to vote banks. Yedi sahib cashing in the secular chip. Man, why do people take that term and bash it up so bad, gives secular people like me a bad name.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Yeddyurappa-promises-Rs-2000-crore-budget-allocation-for-Muslims/articleshow/19529106.cms
@arp2041 @Ayush @samantk
Back to basics and back to vote banks. Yedi sahib cashing in the secular chip. Man, why do people take that term and bash it up so bad, gives secular people like me a bad name.
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