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India 'too late' in artillery modernisation: Army chief

Lol not right now buddy....not ur army...ur army isnt better then ur adverseries....anyways bhim project was rejected as it was a failure.
Provide links if ur saying its revived.

How do you know that it was failed? Another myth!!! In DEFEXPO 2010 DRDO presented Bhim and its revived. It was in defexpo after long time. The visitors also told by DRDO guys that it was revived.

Name one system that Pakistan army has but Indian army don't. I will name some that IA has but PA doesn't. :sniper:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forum...Armed-Forces&p=4879000&viewfull=1#post4879000

Brochure from DEFEXPO 2010
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How do you know that it was failed? Another myth!!! In DEFEXPO 2010 DRDO presented Bhim and its revived.

Name one system that Pakistan army has but Indian army don't. I will name some that IA has but PA doesn't. :sniper:

I know tht from an international defence news website......its not a new project it of the same era india tried making an APC made from T-72 body by eliminating its turret.

Still if u insist its revived please post links?
Dude u dont even have better gun ships?80% of indian army tanks are wasted..blind at night?
Indian army unsatisfied with performance of INSAS rifle?
Your arty is just uncapable?
You dont even have a self propelled arty do u?etc
 
I know tht from an international defence news website......its not a new project it of the same era india tried making an APC made from T-72 body by eliminating its turret.

Still if u insist its revived please post links?
Never heard that Bhim was 'failed' but as Denel was banned by MoD, Bhim project effected. BTW Bhim is on Arjun body not T-72. Links already posted. See the brochure pics from Defexpo 2010.


Dude u dont even have better gun ships?
What gunship? Upgraded Mi-35 are the best gunship in South Asia.



80% of indian army tanks are wasted..blind at night?
But is PA have better tanks?

Indian army unsatisfied with performance of INSAS rifle?
Unsatisfied? IA is always 'unsatisfied' but than how nearly one million INSAS rifles inducted into the army?

Your arty is just uncapable?
You dont even have a self propelled arty do u?etc

We have this...
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One more is there I will post it later when I find it.
 
Never heard that Bhim was 'failed' but as Denel was banned by MoD, Bhim project effected. BTW Bhim is on Arjun body not T-72. Links already posted. See the brochure pics from Defexpo 2010.
Lol did i say it was based on T-72?i was talkin abt a failed indian apc.

What gunship? Upgraded Mi-35 are the best gunship in South Asia.
lol yeah...only need a stingr to bring the fat thing off the sky....can u match tht fat thing with a viper?also m 35 is flown by ur airforce not army?


But is PA have better tanks?
Yeah we do....
AK
T 80 UD with modified or major features of T-84
T 84s on order
AK-I
AL ZARRAR
MODIFIED T 85s
and rest also haver upgrades
development ongoing in AK-II

Unsatisfied? IA is always 'unsatisfied' but than how nearly one million INSAS rifles inducted into the army?
LOL,m i ia chief?
go google it up...dont waste my time


We have this...
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One more is there I will post it later when I find it.

lol 105 MM on BMP?WOW
105mm is obsolete...even u dont have this in numbers?or should i say not in service,,,,more like an experiment.
Also read its uses?
anti tank?
infantry support lol
its nothin more then a mortar on a russian bmp...
lol can u compaire it with PAs M1A5s?
or firtinas?
 
Thanks to Indian Red Tapism. Hope we have system like Pakistan.where army is seprated from rest of politcal system. where, they are free to purchase and deceide what ever they want.:azn::azn::woot:
 
Lol did i say it was based on T-72?i was talkin abt a failed indian apc.
Which Indian APC are you talking about? :what:


lol yeah...only need a stingr to bring the fat thing off the sky....can u match tht fat thing with a viper?also m 35 is flown by ur airforce not army?

lol Seems you don't know anything about Mi-35 of the IAF. They are being heavily upgraded by IAI.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/21259-iaf-upgraded-mi-35-vs-paf-cobra.html#post295095


Yeah we do....
AK
T 80 UD with modified or major features of T-84
T 84s on order
AK-I
AL ZARRAR
MODIFIED T 85s
and rest also haver upgrades
development ongoing in AK-II

lol You have posted PA's past, present and future. How many tanks of the PA currently has nigh fighting capabilities? Much less than IA's. IA has large number of T-90S and CIA as well as small number of Arjun.


LOL,m i ia chief?
go google it up...dont waste my time
:tdown:

busted your lie, isn't it. An 'unsatisfied' army accepted nearly one million INSAS rifles!!



lol 105 MM on BMP?WOW
105mm is obsolete...even u dont have this in numbers?or should i say not in servive,,,,more like an experiment.

lol Again busted. First you said IA don't have any self propelled artillery but now you have got 105 mm problem!!!! lol :woot:

"Your arty is just uncapable?
You dont even have a self propelled arty do u?etc "
 
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Which Indian APC are you talking about? :what:
Try searching an APC made out of useless T-72 TIN CAN by eliminating its turret and gun barel made by DRDO.......instead of asking a Pakistani dude to look for ur failures.


lol Seems you don't know anything about Mi-35 of the IAF. They are being heavily upgraded by IAI.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/21259-iaf-upgraded-mi-35-vs-paf-cobra.html#post295095
Sorry man..........
Lol i didnt knew tht a russian helcopter which is something of a transport cum assault heli..with such a big size and out class a slim...Cobra Viper?LOL
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lol You have posted PA's past, present and future. How many tanks of the PA currently has nigh fighting capabilities? Much less than IA's. IA has large number of T-90S and CIA as well as small number of Arjun.

Try ALZARRARs,
AK
.AK-I new upgraded tank
,T 80 UD,
T 85
and other tanks...plus other with on going upgradation....l
Leave 400+ T 84s on order for now.

Now lets talk about indian tanks?
How many T-90 do u currently have LOL
300?LOL
Arjuns? 145 something?LOL
A few T-72s?
Wats CIA?
Before ur useless ranting try getting knowledge about the stuff ur posting

:tdown:

busted your lie, isn't it. An 'unsatisfied' army accepted nearly one million INSAS rifles!!

As per info on web only 300 000 are in use with indian regular army.about unsatisfaction here see this:

Combat unready: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.



lol Again busted. First you said IA don't have any self propelled artillery but now you have got 105 mm problem!!!! lol :woot:

"Your arty is just uncapable?
You dont even have a self propelled arty do u?etc "

LOL hahaha u were compairing both armies?wernt u still ur army is a waste (in techno term) lol u even have to show us links to prove if tht BMP mortor is even in service..Also ask indian members or any senior member wat a waste it is? hahaha
 
Try searching an APC made out of useless T-72 TIN CAN by eliminating its turret and gun barel made by DRDO.......instead of asking a Pakistani dude to look for ur failures.



Sorry man..........
Lol i didnt knew tht a russian helcopter which is something of a transport cum assault heli..with such a big size and out class a slim...Cobra Viper?LOL
103zmld.jpg





Try ALZARRARs,
AK
.AK-I new upgraded tank
,T 80 UD,
T 85
and other tanks...plus other with on going upgradation....l
Leave 400+ T 84s on order for now.

Now lets talk about indian tanks?
How many T-90 do u currently have LOL
300?LOL
Arjuns? 145 something?LOL
A few T-72s?
Wats CIA?
Before ur useless ranting try getting knowledge about the stuff ur posting



As per info on web only 300 000 are in use with indian regular army.about unsatisfaction here see this:

Combat unready: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.





LOL hahaha u were compairing both armies?wernt u still ur army is a waste (in techno term) lol u even have to show us links to prove if tht BMP mortor is even in service..Also ask indian members or any senior member wat a waste it is? hahaha


Just saying LOL wont change the truth..Indian T-90 are wayyyy more better than your tanks and yes of 3000 tanks 20% that is 600 tanks are night capable atleast...more than enough....and MI-35 is also operated by Indian army...google it yourself.Mi-35 are one of the most admired and feared weapons platform.it has awesome armament which cobra viper cannot carryand now we have LCH as well to accompany the HIND.... be scared ...very scared
 
Try searching an APC made out of useless T-72 TIN CAN by eliminating its turret and gun barel made by DRDO.......instead of asking a Pakistani dude to look for ur failures.



Sorry man..........
Lol i didnt knew tht a russian helcopter which is something of a transport cum assault heli..with such a big size and out class a slim...Cobra Viper?LOL
103zmld.jpg





Try ALZARRARs,
AK
.AK-I new upgraded tank
,T 80 UD,
T 85
and other tanks...plus other with on going upgradation....l
Leave 400+ T 84s on order for now.

Now lets talk about indian tanks?
How many T-90 do u currently have LOL
300?LOL
Arjuns? 145 something?LOL
A few T-72s?
Wats CIA?
Before ur useless ranting try getting knowledge about the stuff ur posting



As per info on web only 300 000 are in use with indian regular army.about unsatisfaction here see this:

Combat unready: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.





LOL hahaha u were compairing both armies?wernt u still ur army is a waste (in techno term) lol u even have to show us links to prove if tht BMP mortor is even in service..Also ask indian members or any senior member wat a waste it is? hahaha





i thik you gotta take a look at this ...........

Stage set for Indian Army's artillery gun trials


April 19, 2010 08:17 IST
Tags: BAE Systems, Singapore Technologies Kinetics, Punj Lloyd, Indian Army, Mahindra & Mahindra
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CommentWith artillery having killed more soldiers during the last century than any other battlefield weapon, the decade-plus delay in equipping the Indian Army [ Images ] with modern artillery guns is widely considered a major procurement lapse.

The stop-start-stop process of buying 1,580 towed guns for the Indian Army will effectively restart on Monday when a C-130 Hercules aircraft lands in New Delhi [ Images ], carrying a 155-millimetre artillery gun for trials this summer.

This gun, the Indian Field Howitzer-2000 (IFH-2000), developed by Singapore Technologies Kinetics, or STK, is competing for the Indian tender with British company BAE Systems' FH-77B-05, a derivative of the controversial and respected Bofors gun. The lower-profile IFH-2000 is the world's first 155mm 52-calibre howitzer, which the Singapore Armed Forces have used for over a decade.

A 52-calibre howitzer fires heavier shells than older, 39-calibre and 45-calibre guns, inflicting greater punishment on the target. The Indian tender for towed guns specifies that only 52-calibre guns will be evaluated.

Trials for procuring 155 mm, 52-calibre towed guns began in summer 2002, when the Ministry of Defence began evaluating three guns from BAE Systems; Israeli firm, Soltam; and South African company, Denel. Five rounds of trials, conducted in 2002; 2003; 2004; and 2006; reached no conclusion. Denel was blacklisted for corruption in September 2005; the other two guns did not meet the army's standards.

The trials remain dogged by controversy even after a fresh tender was issued in 2008. Last year, one of the two contenders, STK, was unofficially blacklisted for corruption after the arrest of former Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) chief Sudipta Ghosh. But CBI investigations have made no apparent headway in the past year; not even a charge-sheet has been filed against Sudipta Ghosh. Now, STK has been asked to field its gun for trials.

STK plans to start preparing for the impending trials by practising firing at the Pokhran ranges using Indian ammunition and a crack gun crew of seven former Indian Army artillerymen, recruited by STK's Indian partner, Punj Lloyd Ltd [ Get Quote ].

The BAE Systems gun, too, is in India, having been brought for the Defence Expo in February and for trials scheduled immediately after that. But those trials were postponed when the IFH-2000 was damaged in Singapore while being loaded into an aircraft for despatch to India.

"Punj Lloyd is STK's Indian partner for the 155 mm gun," explains Patrick Choy, STK's international marketing chief. "STK will rely on them for logistics and engineering support during the trials; and if STK is awarded the contract, we will manufacture a substantial part of the gun at Punj Lloyd's facilities near Gwalior."

STK's rival in this tender, BAE Systems, has a similar arrangement with its Indian partner, Mahindra & Mahindra. These two companies have formed an Indian joint venture, Defence Land Systems, with Rs 100 crore equity held on a 74-26 per cent basis between Mahindra & Mahindra and BAE Systems.

At stake in the forthcoming trials is an order, worth $1.8 billion (about Rs 8,000 crore), for the outright supply of 400 towed guns; and the licensed production in India of another 1,180 guns. If the MoD imposes even the minimum offset requirement of 30 per cent, that would translate into $540 million (about Rs 2,400 crore) worth of manufacture within India.

STK and BAE Systems are also vying for a $700-million (over Rs 3,100 crore) contract for 140 ultralight howitzers (ULHs) for Indian mountain divisions.

Two more artillery purchases are simultaneously in the works: A $800 million (Rs 3,500 crore) order for 100 medium guns, mounted in tracked vehicles, for self-propelled (SP) medium regiments that go into battle with India's strike corps. Another $900 million (Rs 4,000 crore) will buy 180 vehicle-mounted guns for more SP regiments.

The stakes are high for everyone involved. For BAE Systems, this is an opportunity to bury the stigma of the Bofors scandal; for STK, this is a golden opening into the lucrative Indian market; and for the Indian Army, desperately short of artillery firepower, this is a chance to fill a gaping operational void.

Stage set for Indian Army's artillery gun trials: Rediff.com India News

i have to tell you gotta dream and plan to make some things possible ,,mocking at others progress wont take you any where:bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny:
 
Try searching an APC made out of useless T-72 TIN CAN by eliminating its turret and gun barel made by DRDO.......instead of asking a Pakistani dude to look for ur failures.
You failed to provide a source for your claim. lol

Sorry man..........
Lol i didnt knew tht a russian helcopter which is something of a transport cum assault heli..with such a big size and out class a slim...Cobra Viper?LOL
Big size and slim? That big Mi-25/35 will capture and destroy your slim Cobra before Cobra able to see it. Check it has been upgraded with many systems of super cobra. so don't compare it with cobra.



Try ALZARRARs,
AK
.AK-I new upgraded tank
,T 80 UD,
T 85
and other tanks...plus other with on going upgradation....l
Leave 400+ T 84s on order for now.

Now lets talk about indian tanks?
How many T-90 do u currently have LOL
300?LOL
Arjuns? 145 something?LOL
A few T-72s?
Wats CIA?
Before ur useless ranting try getting knowledge about the stuff ur posting
Indian Army have much more number of tanks with night fighting capability than PA. Let alone Arjun but our T-90S is much better than any tanks of PA.


As per info on web only 300 000 are in use with indian regular army.about unsatisfaction here see this:

Combat unready: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.

300000? That is a vintage number.

"about 1 million INSAS rifles have been inducted into the Army so far."

Bang on target

'Unhappiness' was not reported perfectly. Indian army was happy with INSAS with nearly two decade but led them suddenly unhappy? If they are unhappy than how it was standardized? How 1000000 INSAS are in service? They simply need new rifle thats it.





LOL hahaha u were compairing both armies?wernt u still ur army is a waste (in techno term) lol u even have to show us links to prove if tht BMP mortor is even in service..Also ask indian members or any senior member wat a waste it is? hahaha

That looks like a mortar to you? lol Seems like you doesn't recognize the differences between a mortar and a 105mm SPG. First you claimed India doesn't have one but now you claim that is a mortar. lol

OK THIS IS CALLED A MORTAR.....


AND THIS IS A 105 MM SPG....
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Can you recognize differences or I should post more details?


The Indian army has much more high tech weapons then PA. :victory:
 
why is it "Too late"????
india's not at war with anyone.

Firstly, an army's purpose is to prevent war. So they have to be strong enough to act as a deterrent. Thats why modernisation is necessary. Every major army operates on a basis of 'peace through power'. China is not at war, but you see the PLA modernising.

Secondly, India is at war. we have Maoists and fundamentalists waging war on our nation. so we need our soldiers to be equipped to face that threat.
 
Firstly, an army's purpose is to prevent war. So they have to be strong enough to act as a deterrent. Thats why modernisation is necessary. Every major army operates on a basis of 'peace through power'. China is not at war, but you see the PLA modernising.

Secondly, India is at war. we have Maoists and fundamentalists waging war on our nation. so we need our soldiers to be equipped to face that threat.

yea on point one, but again,behind maybe but not too late as said, no ones invaded and its too late to get new guns

secondly you really dont need modern artillery fora bunch of stateless terrorist.
 
The Bhim SPG

Prototype of the Bhim SPG --> South African LIW/Denel self-propelled T6 155mmm/52-calibre gun mounted on the Arjun tank chassis. Successful user trials were conducted by the Indian Army in the summers of 1998 and 1999, with the Army reportedly favouring the Bhim SPG over other systems evaluated.

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The formidable 155mm Bofors gun on display at Army Day, January 15th. Circa 1990s. The Army initially planned to acquire 1500 of these howitzers, but due to the infamous 'Bofors Scandal' the army decided only to purchase 410.
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105mm Light Field Gun

A Jawan loads a shell into a 105mm Light Field Gun at Kargil in 1999.
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130mm M-46 field gun

The 130mm M-46 field gun. Empty 130mm canisters can be seen in the foreground, with live shells right next to it.

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I have found two major flaws in indian artillery section
1)total 410 swedish bofores out of ehich nearly 100 are not in working condition
2) 500 M-46 mostly out dated 120 mm piece not any longer suitable for any future conflict with pakistan and china
 
I have found two major flaws in indian artillery section
1)total 410 swedish bofores out of ehich nearly 100 are not in working condition
2) 500 M-46 mostly out dated 120 mm piece not any longer suitable for any future conflict with pakistan and china

With all respect please share the source .....:coffee:
Or this is just another magical number that comes in ur mind.....
 
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