Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[Path-Finder]

Hahahaha...Just saw the awards thread. Some folk here never cease to amaze..
Well on topic then...what do you think? Could such a development happen?

I would say there in no rush as such for the T90 because Al-Khalid 2 is being rendered by HIT. Before that there is AK1 rolling off the production line. The utility of having a product that is you opportunities to make necessary modifications as required without asking permission.

As I mentioned above T80 chassis is the right choice giving ample opportunities to tailor the tank to PA's needs.

 

[Zarvan]

@Dazzler have you heard about interest in T-90s from Russia?
A delegation was there in Russia and the only stumbling block seem to be ammo as Russians want us to buy ammo too but we are not interested in that. The number being sought is around 400 tanks.
Seems authentic to me but i am not really excited on this development, would have loved it to progress some other way.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Horus @Tipu7 @Path-Finder

400 T-90 as for ammo that we can deal with them but I actually thought I was wrong about T-90 but it seem things have changed again. So let see @Path-Finder

Latest T-90 which Russian Army is looking to adopt

 

[Path-Finder]

400 T-90 as for ammo that we can deal with them but I actually thought I was wrong about T-90 but it seem things have changed again. So let see @Path-Finder

Latest T-90 which Russian Army is looking to adopt

I think lets see how the AK2 will be! T90 can wait

 

[Zarvan]

I think lets see how the AK2 will be! T90 can wait

No it can't we have to replace our old T-69 and T-59 and eventually Al Zarrar also. I think 500 of T-90 can be great start and as Russia has good production level. We can buy T-90 from them and may be produce OPLOT here. But let see what happens.

 

[Arsalan]

What happened to the Oplot-P trials? And do we think that our relations with Russian are at that certain level that we may procure advanced armaments from them that will be used on our eastern border? The helis were different as their main purpose was assisting in COIN operations.

Not sure. T90s were not here for testing but still i was told that a delegation did visited Russia to discuss the project. I just hope it is not right and i think there are better and bigger things to go after for PA.

my thoughts exactly. I believe the T80 chassis is the most superior in the old T series tanks only T14 has the crown. Pursuing T80 chassis will be appropriate as it gives you more choices for engine and armament upgrades. T90 being based on a T72 Chassis is limited in certain ways.

Yes!
Plus from the discussion i had with someone at HIT, the major problem PA have with Al-Khalid is lack of proper modern crew availability setup. Like a separate compartment with blow out panels or something. Cant see how T90 will address that. From my discussion there, it seem like THIS one factor will play a key role in future tank selection.

400 T-90 as for ammo that we can deal with them but I actually thought I was wrong about T-90 but it seem things have changed again. So let see @Path-Finder

Latest T-90 which Russian Army is looking to adopt

We are not interested in buying ammo from them.
They are not interested in sale without ammo.

That is where it is right now!

 

[HRK]

A delegation was there in Russia

there was a news item shared by some member mentioning the head of Pakistani Delegation to Russia praised & stated interest in different Russian weaponry but T-90 was mentioned in that news item in casual manner ....

Hazrat @Zarvan you source was right on T90

if I am not wrong @kaonalpha was the one who hinted about it.

Do you think T90 has space in PA?

Might be AK+OPLOT or AK+T-90MS combo the number indicated by Arsalan is same as quoted during OPLOT trials in Pakistan

 

[Zarvan]

Not sure. T90s were not here for testing but still i was told that a delegation did visited Russia to discuss the project. I just hope it is not right and i think there are better and bigger things to go after for PA.


Yes!
Plus from the discussion i had with someone at HIT, the major problem PA have with Al-Khalid is lack of proper modern crew availability setup. Like a separate compartment with blow out panels or something. Cant see how T90 will address that. From my discussion there, it seem like THIS one factor will play a key role in future tank selection.



We are not interested in buying ammo from them.
They are not interested in sale without ammo.

That is where it is right now!

I doubt they would loose the chance of selling T-90 it would be something else Janab. they are ready to give TOT to Indonesia although they are buying only squadron of SU-35. So I seriously doubt ammo will come in between they selling us T-90

 

[hussain0216]

Hazrat @Zarvan you source was right on T90

This is a sign of the end of the world

Allah be merciful!

 

[HRK]

We are not interested in buying ammo from them.
They are not interested in sale without ammo.

That is where it is right now!

which mean discussion is at initial phase

 

[Arsalan]

there was a news item shared by some member mentioning the head of Pakistani Delegation to Russia praised & stated interest in different Russian weaponry but T-90 was mentioned in that news item in casual manner ....

I was informed about it by two different people. One from HIT and other from POF. According to POF guy, it is the ammo deal that is a problem otherwise rest is all ok (but how? what about evaluation and trials?)

if I am not wrong @kaonalpha was the one who hinted about it.

You are RIGHT but it is useless to try to argue and convince some people.

Might be AK+OPLOT or AK+T-90MS combo the number indicated by Arsalan is same as quoted during OPLOT trials in Pakistan

OPLOT opens up the options for an indigenous system in future, a tank chassis fitted with different sub systems to make a tank to meet our needs and may be use the platform as basis of APC, IFV, SAM Carrier and other such roles.

T-90 wont offer that.

which mean discussion is at initial phase

Yes, it should mean that. The guy MUST have been wrong when he said that everything is done except this one point. I am not sure how it is possible (without proper evaluation and trials)

I doubt they would loose the chance of selling T-90 it would be something else Janab. they are ready to give TOT to Indonesia although they are buying only squadron of SU-35. So I seriously doubt ammo will come in between they selling us T-90

That is what i have been told. Currently, it is just about a final agreement on ammo! Russians do not want to commit any performance aspects if we do not buy ammo from them.

 

[Path-Finder]

This is a sign of the end of the world

Allah be merciful!

This is a sign of the end of the world

Allah be merciful!

It was @kaonalpha I have been corrected!

there was a news item shared by some member mentioning the head of Pakistani Delegation to Russia praised & stated interest in different Russian weaponry but T-90 was mentioned in that news item in casual manner ....

if I am not wrong @kaonalpha was the one who hinted about it.

Might be AK+OPLOT or AK+T-90MS combo the number indicated by Arsalan is same as quoted during OPLOT trials in Pakistan

If the 500 number is true it maybe a purchase that is limited for gap filling until AK-2 + Oplot become operational. Strange thing for me is india already operates the tank and Pakistan is likely considering it.

 

[HRK]

I was informed about it by two different people. One from HIT and other from POF. According to POF guy, it is the ammo deal that is a problem otherwise rest is all ok (but how? what about evaluation and trials?)


You are RIGHT but it is useless to try to argue and convince some people.


OPLOT opens up the options for an indigenous system in future, a tank chassis fitted with different sub systems to make a tank to meet our needs and may be use the platform as basis of APC, IFV, SAM Carrier and other such roles.

T-90 wont offer that.


Yes, it should mean that. The guy MUST have been wrong when he said that everything is done except this one point. I am not sure how it is possible (without proper evaluation and trials)

I think talks are still at initial stage exactly because of the two reason you mention
1- T-90 is not trailed in Pakistan
2- OPLOT offer more flexibility in terms of future option & integration with existing fleet

I think T-90 is our fall back plan IF OPLOT option does get materialize due to any reason.

 

[Arsalan]

I think talks are still at initial stage exactly because of the two reason you mention
1- T-90 is not trailed in Pakistan
2- OPLOT offer more flexibility in terms of future option & integration with existing fleet

I think T-90 is our fall back plan IF OPLOT option does get materialize due to any reason.

Ameen to that!
Wasay i did requested my guy to double check all the details. May be he will come back with some updates later on and i hope it is better news at that time.

Will love to see what @Dazzler have to say about this.

Or may be @Horus have been in contact with someone at HIT and can share some more details.

 

[HRK]

If the 500 number is true it maybe a purchase that is limited for gap filling until AK-2 + Oplot become operational.

Arsalan quoted 400 numbers as this figure was suggested for OPLOT as well

Strange thing for me is india already operates the tank and Pakistan is likely considering it.

I don't think we will take both OPLOT and T-90 it will be either T90 or OPLOT (or any other option which will clear our trial as as we were supposed to test 4 tanks in trials)

 

[Path-Finder]

Arsalan quoted 400 numbers as this figure was suggested for OPLOT as well

I don't think we will take both OPLOT and T-90 it will be either T90 or OPLOT (or any other option which will clear our trial as as we were supposed to test 4 tanks in trials)

Oplot is a better option but it has issues with production due to the political climate there. The T80UD can be brought to Oplot level in the meantime. T90 at present seems to be a inquisitive phase.