A first: US allowed to check Indian warship

[Screambowl]

I think we are loosing a plot here, If India had waited 5-7 years & did not ordered any US weapon system (like P-8I,C-17s etc.), than since India being the highest weapons importer + US economy becoming more saturated + Growing importance of India in world affairs & specially for US, US would had allowed the sale of major weapon systems without such intrusive agreements like EUMA. And now since we have banded for EUMA they are insisting on LSA, CISMOA etc. I don't understand what in the world was the need of signing EUMA as we can buy everything from other countries (though not exactly of same tech as US but at least we din't had such intrusions earlier).

to get UNSC. After getting you see the shift in our all internal and external policies.

 

[illusion8]

The standard EUMA that US signs is that all the military equipment will be verified from time to time by US inspectors on whether it has been used as per the legal agreement while purchasing. This standard EUMA is that all the equipment will be tested on site. Pakistan complies with this as do others.

India however was the only nation to sign a significantly different EUMA. only the equipment that is mutually decided as sensitive or is deemed sensitive under US laws will be subject to checks (instead of whole platforms like for other nations) and even that will be transported to a separate location where US inspectors will have access to it. They will not get access to bases where the equipment is deployed. No on site access.

This is only in major cases, otherwise in most other cases US inspectors will just get to see the log book of that platform/equipment and not physical access.

Now even though these terms are far better than what others have..they are still not good.

Thanks for clearing that up, I was abit confused with the whole article.


One more question: will these terms apply overall from now on or do we have to visit the T&C's for everytime for a new deal?

 

[shuntmaster]

Just a query. We are using the GE make Gas Turbines for propulsion in our ships, especially the IAC under construction. Do these too come under EUMA.
Also, What about the GE make jet engines in LCA-Tejas?

Indian Aircraft Carrier (IAC) Project 71

Powerplant

The ship will be propelled by two shafts, each coupled to two LM2500 Gas Turbines developing a total power of 80 MW, sufficient to attain speeds in excess of 28 knots.

It will have an endurance of around 7,500 nautical miles at 18 knots.

General Electric LM2500
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type Gas turbine
National origin United States
Manufacturer General Electric
First run 1960s
Developed from General Electric CF6
The General Electric LM2500 is an industrial and marine gas turbine produced by GE Aviation. The LM2500 is a derivative of the General Electric CF6 aircraft engine.
The LM2500 is available in 3 different versions:
The LM2500 delivers 33,600 shaft horsepower (shp) (25,060 kW) with a thermal efficiency of 37 percent at ISO conditions. When coupled with an electric generator, it delivers 24 MW of electricity at 60 Hz with a thermal efficiency of 36 percent at ISO conditions[1].
The improved, 3rd generation, LM2500+ version of the turbine delivers 40,500 shp (30,200 kW) with a thermal efficiency of 39 percent at ISO conditions. When coupled with an electric generator, it delivers 29 MW of electricity at 60 Hz with a thermal efficiency of 38 percent at ISO conditions[2].
The latest, 4th generation, LM2500+G4 version was introduced in November 2005 and delivers 47,370 shp (35,320 kW) with a thermal efficiency of 39.3 percent at ISO conditions. [3].
The turbines have been used in various applications such as in warships of the U.S. and a number of other world navies, hydrofoils, hovercraft and fast ferries. As of 2004, more than one thousand LM2500/LM2500+ gas turbines have been in service for more than 29 international navies.[4]

 

[Capt.Popeye]

so what is the problem US is a very reliable friend, we should not get jeleous with our neighbors and wish them luck with open heart.



Its a deal between two countries and depends on how important that country is, do you or anyone thinks that India will give US equipment to any other country, like you said its not enforced much and only when the supplier country is not satisfied will ask for monitoring

Its not enforced too much (or without much fanfare) by other countries. USA likes to make it more dramatic.

While you say that nobody thinks that India will illegally transfer any US equipment to another country, still EUMA is both a good and necessary thing; and must be atleast written into any transfer of lethal weaponry in my opinion.

Suppose (for example) the Maoists take over the GoI and transfer the US made weaponry to North Korea?
That example is is infinitely absurd, but still EUMA is a valid and prudent procedure. How it is exercised/enforced is another matter.

So if Pakistan is able to export the JF-17s, it will be well advised to use EUMA clauses in that deal.

 

[GR!FF!N]

I don't think anything is controversial in this End User Agreement check.I think all weapons builder should perform this kind of inspection so that no country steal/hack the technology and claim it as their own.most of us don't care about end user agreement,but it was made to stop proliferation/wrong use of technology.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Humiliating? Really?

:facepalm:

There is some level of anti-American sentiment in the Indian military as well as the political opposition.

 

[cirr]

Those who sleep with the US will get ***-raped in the end，one way or another。

Bear this in mind whenever you deal with the Americans。

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Those who sleep with the US will get ***-raped in the end，one way or another。

Bear this in mind whenever you deal with the Americans。

Speaking from experience of 1970s ?

 

[cirr]

Speaking from experience of 1970s ?

No。I was thinking more in the line of Georgia in 2008。

 

[TheJewverine]

There is some level of anti-American sentiment in the Indian military as well as the political opposition.

That's really besides the point, India is a key US ally. To imply that having equipment inspected by the US is "humiliating" is irony in the greatest of forms. If it is so humiliating why was the equipment purchased from the US in the first place?

Logic > blind hate

every time.

 

[airmarshal]

Why are Indians celebrating it by call it "A First"? It is as if they have not allowed that inspection before! If the End User agreement stipulates that there will be inspection, then there will be one. It means both the sides agreed to this condition. Kind of a bravado in the statement which is out of place for such routine things.

 

[TheJewverine]

Why are Indians celebrating it by call it "A First"? It is as if they have not allowed that inspection before! If the End User agreement stipulates that there will be inspection, then there will be one. It means both the sides agreed to this condition. Kind of a bravado in the statement which is out of place for such routine things.

Exactly, finally someone gets the point.

 

[Killswitch]

Inspections are part of the deal. India gets some of the most advanced equipment on the market, excellent support on spares and training, and the Americans inspect the kit. No big deal here.

 

[timetravel]

No its ridiculous... we paid for it... it is now ours.. we wont show it to anybody... if you dont want then dont sell... I think its wrong for India to buy it.. should never agree to such clause.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

usa is that camel which slowly intrudes into the tent and ultimately master has to sleep outside the tent.

That maybe the case for your country but not for us..We are a sovereign nation who is not involved in any wrong doing..hence there is no room for anyone to do covert operations in our country.