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PAKISTAN: Controversy over government poverty reduction estimate


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ISLAMABAD, 16 June 2004 (IRIN) - A leading economist has questioned the sampling procedures used to ascertain a 4 percent fall in nationwide poverty as claimed by the Pakistani government. "The sampling procedure [used for the survey] is fundamentally flawed," Dr Akmal Hussain, a Cambridge-educated economist, told IRIN from the eastern city of Lahore. On Monday, in a front page analysis for the English-language broadsheet, Daily Times, titled "Poverty reduction figure is fudged", Hussain questioned the Pakistani finance minister's claim that the "percentage of population below the poverty line has declined by 4.2 percent compared to the year 2000", calling the claim "fudged". "The minister's claim of poverty reduction is being made on the basis of a small sample survey of only about 5,000 households, selected without regard to provincial coverage and conducted for only one quarter, April to June this year, when earnings from wheat harvesting enable a larger consumption expenditure by the poor," he wrote, arguing that "the results of this small sample survey" were being compared to sample results in the base year drawn from the standard and periodic Pakistan Integrated Household Survey (PIHS). "They cannot compare results from a larger sample survey four years ago, which was conducted on an annualised basis, with quarterly data," Hussain fumed. The specific differences in design of the two surveys are such that a reduction in poverty would tend to show from the differences in sample design rather than a change in the real magnitude of poverty," he added. "In other words, because of the design of the two samples being so different, there is an inbuilt bias towards showing poverty reduction," Hussain said. World Bank estimates suggest at least 40 percent of the population of Pakistan live below the poverty line. However, Dr Ashfaque Hassan Khan, the government's chief economist, told IRIN in the capital, Islamabad, that the government had not "claimed" that poverty had been reduced by the percentage points mentioned in the survey. "The government has not claimed any such thing," he stressed. "This is what the results show at the national level, that poverty has declined," he said. The debate arose just days after Shaukat Aziz, the Pakistani finance minister, announced a national budget on Saturday, which he said would boost growth and create jobs for the poor, as it sets a GDP growth rate of 6.6 percent, up from the 6.4 percent in the financial year that ends on 30 June. In a post-budget press conference on Sunday, Aziz also defended the figures of the sample survey showing a 4.2 percent reduction in poverty from last year, promising, though, that a more comprehensive survey would be conducted in July. "This is an endless debate between scholars and, in a way, both the government and Hussain are right," Chaudhry Inayatullah, the chief of the United Nations Development Programme's (UNDP) Sustainable Livelihoods programme, told IRIN in Islamabad. "The UN has no mechanism by which they can verify these figures," he added.
 
Now, can any Indian can please explain why they are hot, so inflamed, so opposed to the information the ADB has released and which Mr. Haq has been kind enough to present as a thread?? How can such responses as we have seen by Indian posters be made sense of, given that the information is from the ADB?

Read post #9, #34 #38 to list few. You will know the reason.

In all the poverty and toilets threads he is talking abt absolute numbers. Then why use % here. Stick with absolute numbers.
Or why not discuss poverty related issue in % terms.
Its cherry picking of the data, which is issue. I don;t think IN members are having hard time in sleeping after reading this report.
 
Musharraf regime fudged figures, pushed Pakistan into economic crisis: Ishaq Dar​


Islamabad, Apr 10 (ANI): Pakistans new Finance Minister Ishaq Dar has claimed that the Musharraf regime presented false figures about the economy and created mess on the economic front.

He said that the public debt touched new height during the last eight years. According to him, it rose to Rs 2946 billion from 1947 to 1999, but climbed to Rs 5695 billion by June 2008, showing an increase of Rs 2749 billion in the last eight years. “Those who claim to have broken the begging bowl have actually enlarged it, he remarked.

He said that Pakistans economic situation was so alarming that the government had to revise downward all macro-economic projections, including GDP growth target from 7.2 per cent to six per cent, fiscal deficit target surged from 4.5 per cent of GDP to over six per cent

Addressing press persons at the PM Secretariat last evening, Dar said that the entire figures about the countrys economy would be presented before the Parliament soon for action against those who violated their own Fiscal Responsibility Law.

The mismanagement of economy has resulted in overspending of Rs 558 billion and if the government does not take corrective measures then fiscal deficit will touch 9.5 per cent of GDP by June 2008, The News quoted Dar as saying.
He said the caretaker government was also responsible for this mess, as they too took no step to control the situation. Instead, they hiked POL prices and power tariff, he said and added that over 73.6 per cent population lived below poverty line, according to two dollar a day definition.

To improve the economic situation, he said, the government would generate 2.5 billion dollars from foreign inflows, reducing expenditure and by mobilising revenue generation from various avenues to revive the derailed economy.
The federal minister also outlined the coalition government’s strategy to revive the economy, saying that the government would focus on hitherto neglected agriculture and manufacturing sectors in the months ahead. (ANI)
 
Poverty reduction figure is fudged

By Dr Akmal Hussain

The government can take due credit for its growth performance this year. Its figures for GDP growth, investment rate, fiscal deficit, all seem consistent and credible. What is not plausible however is the finance minister’s claim that the percentage of population below the poverty line has declined by 4.2 percentage points compared to 2000. In fact this claim is fudged.

(1) The composition of growth is contrary to the official claim of poverty reduction: The agriculture sector where the majority of the poor subsist has shown a sharp decline in growth from 4.1 percent last year to 2.6 percent this year. It is the large-scale manufacturing sector with a growth rate of 17.1 percent which has determined the overall GDP growth performance. Even in this sector, however, growth is predicated on a relatively small group of industries, namely consumer durables, automobiles, textiles and cement. These are industries with low employment elasticities and where highly skilled and relatively well-paid workers are employed. Therefore these are hardly the industries whose growth could be expected to reduce overall poverty so quickly. Nor do they produce goods for the poor.

(2) Income inequality between the richest 25 percent and the poorest 25 percent of the population has been increasing over the last decade. The composition of growth suggests that income inequality remains acute. The fact that inflation in the prices of the poor person’s basket (food items) has increased at a higher rate than the average inflation rate provides further indication that the distribution of real income between the rich and the poor may have become more unequal. When income inequality is high and increasing, a small increase in GDP growth cannot be expected to lead to such a significant reduction in poverty as claimed by the Finance Minister.

(3) The minister’s claim of poverty reduction is being made on the basis of a small sample survey of only about 5000 households, selected without regard to provincial coverage and conducted for only one quarter, April to June this year, when earnings from wheat harvesting enable a larger consumption expenditure by the poor. The results of this small sample survey are being compared to sample results in the base year drawn from the standard and periodic Pakistan Integrated Household Survey (PIHS). This has a much larger sample (14,000 households) with representation from each province, and averages out the seasonal variations in household expenditure by covering four quarters (one year). Given the quite different design of the sample surveys in the year 2000 and the year 2004 respectively, the results are technically incomparable. The specific differences in design of the two surveys indicated above are such that a reduction in poverty would tend to show from the differences in sample design rather than a change in the real magnitude of poverty.

A professionally sound assessment of changes in the levels of poverty over the last four years will have to wait till the next round of the PIHS is conducted. Until then, we can at best hope that the recent increase in the GDP growth rate may have stopped poverty from increasing. There is certainly neither adequate evidence nor any analytical reason to suggest such a sharp reduction in poverty (4 percentage points), as the finance minister has proclaimed before an incredulous populace.
 
The economic chargesheet



By Dr Pervez Tahir

THE constitutionality, legality and the morality of Musharraf’s impeachment is doubted by few. But many, and this includes some supporters of impeachment, seem to believe that he did turn the economy around. This is patently false.

An illusion of turnaround was created by imposing a wrong strategy of growth, sustained by a series of commando actions to enforce a culture of being economical with the truth. No wonder, when the inevitable meltdown occurred, it was simply unstoppable.

Take the criminal choice of growth strategy first. Any economist will tell you that growth in national income, the so-called GDP, can be achieved by promoting consumption, investment or net exports. The choice among these depends on the stage of development of a country. While net exports are good for both developed and developing countries, consumer spending dominates growth in the former and investment in the later. The reason is that developed countries have already accumulated a sizeable stock of capital while developing countries like Pakistan have not.

Growth under Musharraf has been driven by consumption. For example, GDP at market prices grew at six per cent in 2007-08. Consumption at 6.5 per cent, however, exceeded the GDP, the extra consumption coming from imports. Investment made a negligible contribution. Again, consumption-led growth has been contributed by the predominance of the services sector. In the past eight years, the average annual growth of services was 6.2 per cent, higher than the GDP growth of 5.6 per cent. The commodity-producing sector, important for livelihoods, grew far less at 4.9 per cent. The most pro-poor sector of agriculture posted the lowest growth of 2.8 per cent. The sector of the rich and the powerful — finance and insurance — achieved the highest growth at 14.4 per cent.

In the years of Musharraf as chief executive, the GDP growth was very low. In 2000-01, it was around two per cent which deeply upset him. All illegitimate governments focus on the economy to have a semblance of legitimacy. The Shaukat Aziz team, which was still trying to get its feet wet, assured it would correct the situation.

The correctives applied were two-fold. On the one hand, the staff of the Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS) was put on the mat and asked to ‘improve’ its collection arrangements and methodology. On the other hand, the State Bank was drawn into financing a consumption-oriented growth strategy by co-opting the ‘autonomous’ governor into the official economic team.

The dirty work of threatening the suppliers and processors of data in the name of the ‘big boss’ was assigned to the economic advisor, who being a contract employee was all too eager to be ‘result-oriented’. Secretaries in charge of Statistics were put on notice, the most pliable of them working effectively as director general of FBS, a lower post but one crucial to manufacture desired outcomes.

After this, GDP growth never looked back. It went up and up to reach the peak of over nine per cent in 2004-05. Early estimates had shown this growth to be around 6.6 per cent mainly because agriculture had done extremely well. But this quite respectable growth was not satisfying the ‘dream’ economic team. A commando action jacked it up first to 7.5, then 8.4 and eventually to above nine per cent. There was an implicit consensus from then on that growth would never be allowed to fall below seven per cent. Any deviation from this implicit consensus led to explicit interventions. The lying about the wheat output last year provides a graphic example of how the much-trumpeted growth was won by the Musharraf regime.

Sectors which do not have a very reliable database and those dependent on occasional surveys suddenly started to show high growth rates. This was done when major crops and large-scale manufacturing, with relatively more reliable data, could not justify the magic growth number. Thus minor crops, small-scale manufacturing, informal services and transport made their contributions in the hour of need. Sectors under the control of government, such as public administration and defence, electricity and gas distribution came in handy to fill any gaps that remained. The Shaukat Aziz Sector, i.e. finance and insurance, danced to his tune.

Growth and investment have to match for credibility. In the beginning, the slow-moving investment was explained away by claiming higher productivity. When the argument became unsustainable, investment was also jacked up without conducting any detailed enquiry or survey.

Fudging was perfected to an art form, and was fully ‘responsive’ to public concerns. Prices have always been of great concern to the public. This used to be the permanent item, number one on the agenda of the Economic Coordination Committee of the cabinet meeting nearly every fortnight. Spurious regional comparisons coming out of this meeting are well-known.

What is not known is that if the price of a commodity showed an unpalatable rise in some area, the problem was always ‘fixed’ by the next meeting, with the chair claiming the success of the ‘measures’ taken and telling the PR staff, no, dictating the text to be sure, what to highlight in the media. Inflation thus remained low in the five to six per cent range. Part of the reason why inflation recently has been extremely high is that prices are being reported as received.

With growth high and inflation low, policy consistency required that poverty must fall. In 2001, the correct survey-based estimate was 35 per cent, implying a rising trend but it was announced as 32 per cent. Even this was not published for a long time and was officially questioned in a smaller subsequent survey supervised by the economic advisor. The survey for 2005 was a well-planned operation. The data was not released and results announced until commando action in the computer centre of the FBS did not, by an iterative process, yield the desired result of 24 per cent. By re-fixing the poverty ratio for 2001 at 34 per cent, it was claimed that poverty had come down by 10 percentage points between the two years.

The success on the poverty front could not have been allowed to be contradicted on the employment front. Commando action in the Labour Force Survey added two to three million new jobs.

To recap: the chargesheet against Musharraf must include (a) the active promotion of conspicuous consumption of the rich by ignoring the sectors on which the large majority of the people depend and creating a bubble rather than sustainable growth; (b) the destruction of the integrity of the statistical system. While Shaukat Aziz is absconding, all other members of the team continue in important positions hoping for the return of the big boss. The responsibility rests in his person as much as his chosen economic team because efforts to tell him the truth met with his displeasure.

The writer was chief economist of the Planning Commission in 2000-06.
 
First, I am not an economist, but I do understand economics.

Second , Pakistan's per capita income in terms of nominal US dollars is about the same as India's...a little over $1000. The PPP calcs are not reliable as pointed out by the ADB's detailed ICP (Income Comparison Program) study published in 2008.

Third, the economic growth and income averages are not as important as income distribution for alleviation of poverty and growth of middle class.

India is a particularly skewed case. In spite of its deep and widespread poverty, India has more billionaires than most of the richest countries of the world.
but still You are more prosperous than us.... u should have higher per capita income. and a 35 or 40 billionaire cannot cover for the country having such a acute poverty. and these billionaires are billionaires because mostly of their shares value, which cannot taken in consideration while calculating per capita income.

but what is unique about pakistan having such a low per capita income??? i am talking specifically about ur own country so pls dont compare it with India

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First, I am not an economist, but I do understand economics.

Second , Pakistan's per capita income in terms of nominal US dollars is about the same as India's...a little over $1000. The PPP calcs are not reliable as pointed out by the ADB's detailed ICP (Income Comparison Program) study published in 2008.

Third, the economic growth and income averages are not as important as income distribution for alleviation of poverty and growth of middle class.

India is a particularly skewed case. In spite of its deep and widespread poverty, India has more billionaires than most of the richest countries of the world.
but still You are more prosperous than us.... u should have higher per capita income. and a 35 or 40 billionaire cannot cover for the country having such a acute poverty. and these billionaires are billionaires because mostly of their shares value, which cannot taken in consideration while calculating per capita income.

but what is unique about pakistan having such a low per capita income??? i am talking specifically about ur own country so pls dont compare it with India
 
Fudging income and poverty numbers


THE budget-making period is often marked by allegations of the fudging of figures particularly about key economic indicators but, as it happens, not all of them are detected and challenged and are rarely rectified.

A former chief economist of the federal government talked of his “struggle” from 2002 to 2006, in an op-ed piece last week in this newspaper, to convince the authorities against manipulating data and how he could not succeed. As a result, final figures on poverty, GDP, unemployment, prices, etc., were “improved upon” although few believed in the achievements that were claimed.

Last month, one saw serious allegations of fudging of GDP growth and poverty figures. The ministry of finance was accused of having fabricated the figure of 2.37 per cent in an attempt to impress the IMF that this year’s GDP growth was almost close to what it had asked for –– the target of 2.5 per cent. Provisional GDP estimates for 2008-09 were worked out at Rs5,532.4 billion compared to the previous fiscal year’s Rs5,404.5 billion, resulting in an increase of 2.37 per cent.

However, a day later, on May 19, the finance ministry bosses felt compelled to revise the GDP figure downwards from 2.37 to 2.15 per cent. It was conceded that the figure of 2.37 per cent, worked out by the Federal Bureau of Statistics and endorsed by National Accounts Committee, was flawed.

Shaukat Tarin, the finance chief, also felt uneasy over the episode. He said he had asked the institution concerned to “ensure transparency in figures and present the growth figures as they are.” But he avoided touching the issues such as reducing the base by lowering the GDP growth of last fiscal from 5.78 per cent to 4.1 per cent and the change in methodology in measuring the growth in agriculture and construction sectors, and insisted that all the FBS steps other than excluding the large-scale manufacturing growth till March were justified.

The GDP growth target was originally set at 5.8 per cent. As the year proceeded, it was revised downwards to 3.4 per cent and then again to 2.5 per cent. Last week, Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Sardar Assef Ahmad Ali said that the GDP growth rate for this fiscal year would be two per cent. Then the finance ministry came out with the figure of 2.37 per cent. In fact, the National Accounts Committee risked its credibility when it approved without any hesitation the FBS statistics.

Where the FBS went wrong was its decision to exclude the negative growth figures of large-scale manufacturing (LSM) of -7.7 per cent registered during July-March period and to include only the LSM figures of July-February period that stood at -5.7 per cent.

Moreover, the FBS included doubtful figures of major crops in the growth estimates. The rice output in the current fiscal year was estimated at 6.96 million tons against the target of 5.7 million tons; wheat at 23.4 million tons against 24 million tons target, cotton 11.8 million bales against target of 14.1 million bales and sugarcane 50 million tons against the target 56.5 million tons.

The military regimes have been notorious for cooking up figures to cover up bad performance or exaggerating a positive achievement in a bid to earn legitimacy from the public for their illegal rule.

The caretaker government headed by Mohammadmian Soomro last year decided to set up a high-powered committee to ascertain the accuracy of the FBS data after it developed serious doubts about the quality of the figures about GDP growth, crops produce, inflation, poverty and industrial progress worked out by Shaukat Aziz regime.

The committee headed by Deputy Chairman Planning Commission Dr Akram Shiekh decided in its first meeting that industrial data would now be collected by the ministry of industries and not by the Federal Bureau of Statistics because the latter’s data did not match the ground realities. For instance, the FBS figures put food inflation at 14 per cent while, according to independent economists, it was over 20 per cent. Donor agencies also, time and again, in their reviews of Pakistan’s economy, had doubted figures of economic indicators.

The World Bank is also infamous for fudging data particularly about poverty and its health projects in the Third World countries. Last week, it ran into a serious dispute with Pakistan’s Planning Commission over how much poverty has reduced in the country. The bank claims that the number of those living below the poverty line has come down from 22.3 per cent to 17.2 per cent of the total population.

But nobody in the Planning Commission is willing to buy this figure and include it in the Economic Survey 2008-09 for it is obvious that this could not happen at a time when the country’s economy is under severe strain due to high inflation.

The World Bank insists it has used the correct methodology to calculate this figure worked out by the Planning Commission’s subsidiary body called Centre for Poverty Reduction and Social Policy Development (CPRSPD). In stark contrast, PC’s panel of economists had found poverty in the range of 37.5 per cent just a few months back.

The World Bank, according to a newspaper report, had concluded that poverty declined from 22.3 per cent in 2005-06 to 17.2 per cent this year on the basis of the data collected in 2007-08 under the Household Income Expenditure Survey.

According to the survey, poverty in the urban areas stood at 10.10 per cent and in the rural areas at 20.60 per cent. The poverty is often calculated on the basis of the CPI-based inflation statistics.

There is an impression that the bright performance of the economy and high GDP growth rates claimed by the Musharraf-Shaukat regime were mostly fudged and not based on ground realities.

In 2004, Dr Akmal Hussain, a noted economist, had disputed the then finance minister’s claim that the percentage of population below the poverty line has declined by 4.2 percentage points as compared to the level in the year 2000. He claimed there was a fudge in the figure and argued that the composition of growth is contrary to the official claim of poverty reduction.

What had happened was that the agriculture sector where the majority of the poor subsist had shown a sharp decline in growth from 4.1 per cent previous year to 2.6 per cent. Even in the large-scale manufacturing sector with a growth rate of 17.1 per cent, the growth was predicated on a relatively small group of industries, namely consumer durables, automobiles, textiles and cement. These are hardly the industries whose growth could be expected to reduce poverty so quickly.

The World Bank had also been fudging figures of poverty in India. In 2004, Indian Planning Commission member N.K. Singh had accused the World Bank of inflating poverty figures to maintain its own relevance. “If the World Bank starts giving real figures, it will lose its raison d’etre.” The actual level of poverty, he said, was much lower than what was being projected by the World Bank.

The bank has also been accused of tampering with figures relating to malaria project and its success in India. Writing in the prestigious medical Journal “Lancet” in 2006, a group of experts charged the bank for falsifying financial and statistical accounts and also medical malpractices in Malaria treatment, mostly in India and Brazil. About the Malaria Booster Programme launched in April 2005 in India, the experts said that the bank ‘reneged on funding and created a smokescreen of misleading figures’.
 
First, I am not an economist, but I do understand economics.

Second , Pakistan's per capita income in terms of nominal US dollars is about the same as India's...a little over $1000. The PPP calcs are not reliable as pointed out by the ADB's detailed ICP (Income Comparison Program) study published in 2008.

Third, the economic growth and income averages are not as important as income distribution for alleviation of poverty and growth of middle class.

India is a particularly skewed case. In spite of its deep and widespread poverty, India has more billionaires than most of the richest countries of the world.

this is probably because the poor regions of india are down at the africa levels as has been repeatedly shown. clearly the rural economy is broken.

is there any reason why pakistan's rural economy should work better than india's? is there more to this than half of your population living in fertile punjab? you tell me. i don't know.

pakistan's urbanization rate is 7%(36 vs 29) more than india too. this is a contributor to a greater middle class and the reason why i think rapid urbanization is the solution.

the billionaires are easy to explain. they are a product of overall high activity in the capital markets relative to the average economy. india gets a lot of portfolio inflows etc, which has allowed a lot more paper billionaires / billion dollars of gdp than pakistan e.g.
 
LOL - It's not as if Sweden and Luxembourg are arguing about who is richer. It's India and Pakistan arguing about who is poorer. Aren't a large number of people in both countries really, really poor? That is the point of the report, nothing else.
 
Every country in the world, including India and particularly China, have had many critics question their numbers and raise doubts. And, yet, China has lifted more people out of poverty in record time than any nation in the history of the world.

In spite of all its current problems, Pakistan's prosperity is visible in the form of what a Guardian reporter described as "Mehran men", modern new homes, infrastructure, roads, bridges, shopping plazas, rising stock market, proliferation of cell phones, burgeoning media and advertising, etc etc.

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The thread is about middle class in Pakistan as per thr ADB -- but this has rubbed some Indians the wrong way - they just can't seem to get their minds around the idea that the figuers are from the ADB - instead a barrage of dated pieces about everything other than the ADB figures -- this is really sad - and it says a lot about the kindsof ideas some Indian posters bring with them, a baggage of sorts.

Why is this the case?, yes, we all have baggage, but since when is it acceptable that intellectual dishonesty prevail at the forum? Who is served by such behaviour?

What seems to have rubbed the indian in a wrong way? apparently the source of the anger is the ADB report highlighting a larger percentage of the population in Pakistan as middle class -- now if such news can send these Indians in the tizzy, how do they expect to deal with reality?
 
Since 1990, China's middle class population has expanded by 61.4%, Pakistan's by 36.5% and India's by 12.8%, according to the ADB report you refer to.

Look at tables 2.3 and 2.4 page #8 of the report.
Just a suggestion...if you don't know economics and assume 'i understand', isn't it better that you keep your ideas to yourself? Or at least work very very hard at putting together a strong logic for your point rather than throwing the first thing that you find at your adversary. The number of inanities in your posts are quite astounding.
 
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