Bangladesh Navy

[BDforever]

Air Defence can only support Strong Air Force without strong Air Force of at least 300 Fighter Jets Air Defense systems can't do much

care to explain ?

 

[Zarvan]

care to explain ?

Sir without Strong Air Force Air defense can't shoot down much fighter jets and many of them can be destroyed by Missiles off other country Sir you need stronger Air Force to hit back and launch some offensive attacks to and for that you need lot of new modern planes and lot of them Sir

 

[BDforever]

Sir without Strong Air Force Air defense can't shoot down much fighter jets and many of them can be destroyed by Missiles off other country Sir you need stronger Air Force to hit back and launch some offensive attacks to and for that you need lot of new modern planes and lot of them Sir

Do you have any idea modern days SAM system can engage with how much aircraft ? Do you know Modern days SAM system also has anti-missile features ? what do you think SAM is anti air gun system ?

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

we will deploy 100 wooden fishing trawlers with the torpedo for one indian destroyer.wooden fishing trawlers are low signature in radar. similar performance like the stealth.the same way the english deploy lots of ships for bismark the result is bismark under water now RIP bismark.RIP kolkatta class too

Torpedo have small range, you have to go near the warship and the missile, gun and CIWS will be ready for you.

 

[Dillinger]

Do you have any idea modern days SAM system can engage with how much aircraft ? Do you know Modern days SAM system also has anti-missile features ? what do you think SAM is anti air gun system ?

Uhunh..now an air defense system's capabilities are to be judged by how many fighters its accompanied by.

He's right as far as looking at performance during hostilities as part of overall strategies is concerned but most naval ships don't go about with a fighter escort so its sort of a brain dead thing to post.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Do you have any idea modern days SAM system can engage with how much aircraft ? Do you know Modern days SAM system also has anti-missile features ? what do you think SAM is anti air gun system ?

Every mobile SAM system can carry 4-64 missiles. But if we build fixed SAM system sites in our border then we can have 100s of missiles in every SAM site. And if we combine Fixed and mobile SAM system then we are protected from air strike to missile strike. Banglar Akash Thakibe Mukto.

But, we need defence policy and lot of money.

 

[Dillinger]

Every mobile SAM system can carry 4-64 missiles. But if we build fixed SAM system sites in our border then we can have 100s of missiles in every SAM site. And if we combine Fixed and mobile SAM system then we are protected from air strike to missile strike. Banglar Akash Thakibe Mukto.

But, we need defence policy and lot of money.

Any fixed SAM sites will become easy targets for SEAD ops carried out by stand-off precision munitions and/or ARMs. NOT A GOOD IDEA. Not to mention that trying to create a dense air defense scenario is cost prohibitive to the extreme. Gaps will always exist and fighters with extreme endurance and significant loitering capabilities required to probe and effectively utilize these gaps will always exist.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Any fixed SAM sites will become easy targets for SEAD ops carried out by stand-off precision munitions and/or ARMs. NOT A GOOD IDEA. Not to mention that trying to create a dense air defense scenario is cost prohibitive to the extreme. Gaps will always exist and fighters with extreme endurance and significant loitering capabilities required to probe and effectively utilize these gaps will always exist.

I have told mobile and Fixed SAM system combo. Fixed sites will give long range protection with huge firepower and mobile SAMs will protect fixed SAM site. Then logically we can easily intercept any air strike and missile strike.

Fixed SAM sites will be built 100s KM inside our land. Our Land and Air wing will take care of its security.

 

[Banglar Bagh]

Do you have any idea modern days SAM system can engage with how much aircraft ? Do you know Modern days SAM system also has anti-missile features ? what do you think SAM is anti air gun system ?

Actually he is right. You will always need aircrafts to back up your ground-based air defense units.

 

[BDforever]

Actually he is right. You will always need aircrafts to back up your ground-based air defense unit.

yes I agree you need but you do not need at least 300 aircraft for that to protect

 

[Banglar Bagh]

Air Defence can only support Strong Air Force without strong Air Force of at least 300 Fighter Jets Air Defense systems can't do much

Our airspace is not that big. We need a fully-integrated SAM network that can cover the whole airspace. Probably around 4 squadrons of 4++ gen. fighters is more than enough for intercepting enemy fighters and to supplement the SAM network. And also a dedicated naval air wing is needed.

 

[Dillinger]

I have told mobile and Fixed SAM system combo. Fixed sites will give long range protection with huge firepower and mobile SAMs will protect fixed SAM site. Then logically we can easily intercept any air strike and missile strike.

Fixed SAM sites will be built 100s KM inside our land. Our Land and Air wing will take care of its security.

This is a false assumption Trying to cordon of the area through building a layered system requires quite a bit of depth. geographical depth, even the best long range "protection" is going to have a very hard time making intercepts. Fighters do not approach sites in a linear manner nor is it a set piece battle with individual systems "dueling" each other. Stand off munitions exist that can tag radiation sources from 250Km out and are becoming very common. Not to mention that even mobile SAM platforms will have a hard time getting around under surveillance..there is a reason that air defense sites alone do not comprise the solution for sanitizing one's air-space. Not to mention, there WILL ALWAYS be gaps, and there are various platforms which can exploit these gaps quite well. Eating a Hammer or a Spice will not do the gap-filler radars or MRTRs any good. In such scenarios it is the heavies which exploit their range to avoid all ADGE threats and interceptors - allowing them to ingress and strike from alternative routes which adds up to the ability to create localized air superiority sectors.

The components of an integrated air defense system like the IACCS are many in number and quite expensive- just the underlying data-sharing and C3I/C2IS grids like the Af-net can cost up to 4-5 billion dollars to develop and perhaps half of that to try and buy from some source.

So there is never any complete defense,but yes there are always ways to increase security in a relative manner and within the economic resources available.
@Zarvan is right when he states that an appreciable number of aircraft are required to allow vectoring with ground intercepts to be useful- which means that BD will require a much larger air-force than the one it maintains today- NOT 300 platforms- that's just hyperbole. Although in @BDforever's defense- he was referring to SAM systems on naval platforms which do not usually work in concert with fighters- not at-least in the majority of the world's navies.

 

[Allah Akbar]

its a fishing trawler and the number is 100.they will run out of ammo

Torpedo have small range, you have to go near the warship and the missile, gun and CIWS will be ready for you.

bhunjee,i have a news that will take your sleep tonight. soon we are getting the hq - 9

This is a false assumption Trying to cordon of the area through building a layered system requires quite a bit of depth. geographical depth, even the best long range "protection" is going to have a very hard time making intercepts. Fighters do not approach sites in a linear manner nor is it a set piece battle with individual systems "dueling" each other. Stand off munitions exist that can tag radiation sources from 250Km out and are becoming very common. Not to mention that even mobile SAM platforms will have a hard time getting around under surveillance..there is a reason that air defense sites alone do not comprise the solution for sanitizing one's air-space. Not to mention, there WILL ALWAYS be gaps, and there are various platforms which can exploit these gaps quite well. Eating a Hammer or a Spice will not do the gap-filler radars or MRTRs any good. In such scenarios it is the heavies which exploit their range to avoid all ADGE threats and interceptors - allowing them to ingress and strike from alternative routes which adds up to the ability to create localized air superiority sectors.

The components of an integrated air defense system like the IACCS are many in number and quite expensive- just the underlying data-sharing and C3I/C2IS grids like the Af-net can cost up to 4-5 billion dollars to develop and perhaps half of that to try and buy from some source.

So there is never any complete defense,but yes there are always ways to increase security in a relative manner and within the economic resources available.
@Zarvan is right when he states that an appreciable number of aircraft are required to allow vectoring with ground intercepts to be useful- which means that BD will require a much larger air-force than the one it maintains today- NOT 300 platforms- that's just hyperbole. Although in @BDforever's defense- he was referring to SAM systems on naval platforms which do not usually work in concert with fighters- not at-least in the majority of the world's navies.

 

[Dillinger]

its a fishing trawler and the number is 100.they will run out of ammo

bhunjee,i have a news that will take your sleep tonight. soon we are getting the hq - 9

AND that feeds in into just what I have typed.

The HQ-9 is part of an ADGE..and no ADGE in the world is ever full-proof.

Although if you really want to discuss the nitty gritties involved your best bet is tagging Oscar Sir, Gambit or Sancho and waiting for a reply.

 

[Allah Akbar]

bd is a small country.within 5 years we are getting a couple of sqaudrons of 4++ gen fighter jets. and the hq-9 is now almost ready for the shipment .neat

Sir without Strong Air Force Air defense can't shoot down much fighter jets and many of them can be destroyed by Missiles off other country Sir you need stronger Air Force to hit back and launch some offensive attacks to and for that you need lot of new modern planes and lot of them Sir